Do you believe the Illuminati exist?

[The One Who Knocks]

You can find some sort of religious(not just christian) anomalies in virtually everything....it doesn't mean they were always intentional. I created my own stories and characters, and even there without knowing did I see many comparisons between many of the characters, and the interpretation with lucifer.

Maybe you are just smarter then an ordinary homo sapien

 

[Lightbringer]

Maybe you are just smarter then an ordinary homo sapien

Why thank you, I try to apply myself XD

 

[kenzi]

Where do you think the info from books come from?.. lmfao!

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[The One Who Knocks]

Nothing to do with you having a voice or being a woman it's about gullibility and stupidity. But yeah each to his own this is like a religious debate and I'm the atheist I can't change you lots beliefs so I'll mock them instead

"To each his own" NOT "each to his own"
"I am an atheist" NOT "i'm the atheist".

And you are calling her stupid and you plan to mock her O___o?? LMFAO!

 

[kenzi]

This saddens me, so you're astute enough to realise the probability of a god is near to nil but you believe in an occult secret society, who worships the devil and wants to set up a NWO? This makes 0 sense....

I believe that the government is corrupt and is trying to set up a NWO.

 

[Sasuke082594]

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That doesn't answer my question. SO answer it oh smart and intellectual one.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

Why thank you, I try to apply myself XD

You are welcome my friend. BTW just so you know i am NOT being sarcastic, after reading a few of your posts i came to a conclusion that you are a very intelligent individual ( unlike the vast majority here, not hating just observing ). And i like smart people so good for you buddy ^_^

 

[kenzi]

That doesn't answer my question. SO answer it oh smart and intellectual one.

You were actually being serious? Books came before the internet. So let's take a second and think how back in the day someone wrote a ****ing book? Do I really need to explain how they got information?
Like, I honestly cant tell if I'm being trolled or not? Is this real life? Please, let this be an April Fools joke or I have lost all faith in humanity.

 

[Sasuke082594]

You were actually being serious? Books came before the internet. So let's take a second and think how back in the day someone wrote a ****ing book? Do I really need to explain how they got information?
Like, I honestly cant tell if I'm being trolled or not? Is this real life? Please, let this be an April Fools joke or I have lost all faith in humanity.

Lol the only fool is you. How are you going to find actual books about the Illuminati and stuff? Tell me how authors can even back those books up?

I have alot of hard statements that will open up your eyes. Do you want me to open them up for you? I don't think it's to late to save you.

 

[kenzi]

Lol the only fool is you. How are you going to find actual books about the Illuminati and stuff? Tell me how authors can even back those books up?

I have alot of hard statements that will open up your eyes. Do you want me to open them up for you? I don't think it's to late to save you.

Hard statements? You don't even know how people get information for books? This is obviously too much for you to handle since you don't know how one writes a book. Plus, I don't want to hear your "hard statements" because you're probably just going to copy and paste them onto here.
You need to learn about Freemasonry/Illuminati before we continue this discussion. You lack knowledge on this subject and that's why this discussion is so difficult for you.

So,

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[7th Biggest OP Fan]

The Illuminati did exist at one point in history. The organization does not exist now, but their agendas are still going strong. Just within the last 100 years, society has changed so much. I don't want to get into detail about it because it will just spark an atheist/"religious" bashing thread. Just compare peoples moral values they had 100 years ago to today. Almost night and day. Of course people will just say it was all coincidence and no one is behind it pulling the strings. It could be, but what if it is not.

I have done research on this topic and know very well what is going on. The problem is the sheeple today just listen to whatever they are told and don't think for themselves. Whether it be from the news media, movies, or even music artists, they influence kids today into a certain way of thinking. Everyone is too lazy to care what really is going on and try to get involved(if in fact they do know what is happening). The rest are brainwashed.

I had a teacher in college who use to work in congress and saw the influence going on. In fact, he hated the conspiracy theories and tried to make his doctrine about disproving them. A few months later, he came to the conclusion that they are real. The evidence is out there, you just got to know where to look. One book I read was called the Naked Capitalist. It was a play on words from the book the Naked Communist. It was a summary of another book called Tragedy and Hope where a man who worked for the special interest groups documented many of the things that were going on from the later 1800's to the late 1900's. It practically told the history of what had been going on and how special interest groups have tried to create a one world government or NWO.

If you really want to know whats going on, read those books. Just note special interest groups like the Trilateral Committee and the CFR are still going strong. They control the politics of the world and what is put on TV. While everyone is caught up in the war between Democrats and Republicans thinking one is better then the other(which they aren't since they are controlled by the same people), much bigger things are going on behind the scenes.

All these movements going on (like gay marriage and gun control) are all being told it is ok and it is needed. Society has become tolerant to say that it is ok now and will even defend it. Next it will be ok for pedophiles to marry. The only thing stopping this from happening is the laws. 50 years ago blacks weren't allowed to drink from the same water fountain. Laws can change easily with the right influence. After that, people will be able to marry goats. It will be discriminatory for someone to not allow someone to marry a goat and you are a goataphobe for not letting them. Ok maybe I'm exaggerating a little bit, but you see my point. Media is a huge influence in how people think.

I think the furthest it will go is having everyone with a chip inside of them to stop identity theft and make life simpler for everyone. It will start out as a way to keep track of people, and then develop into more convenient ways. First it will be with inmates to make sure we can find them if they escape. Then it will be the elderly since they get lost and need to be kept track of so they can take their meds. Next it will be children because they keep getting kidnapped and we much know where they are. There is good in every idea, but if you don't look at the over all picture, you will not know what the ultimate goal is. This same idea is being used for gun control right now.


The last two paragraphs is just to show you how people have been influenced. You can agree or disagree with them, idc really. Just learn to think for yourselves and stop listening to what is being fed to you.


I may have gone off topic a bit..... Oh well.

 

[Sasuke082594]

Hard statements? You don't even know how people get information for books? This is obviously too much for you to handle since you don't know how one writes a book. Plus, I don't want to hear your "hard statements" because you're probably just going to copy and paste them onto here.
You need to learn about Freemasonry/Illuminati before we continue this discussion. You lack knowledge on this subject and that's why this discussion is so difficult for you.

Books are made from people who research and people who have evidence.

There's nothing to research. It doesn't exist. There's the most simple "hard statement". It's obvious you don't want to be saved from your corrupt mind. It's a shame everyone i've encountered wouldn't allow me to save them.

Discussion over.

 

[Lightbringer]

Lol the only fool is you. How are you going to find actual books about the Illuminati and stuff? Tell me how authors can even back those books up?

I have alot of hard statements that will open up your eyes. Do you want me to open them up for you? I don't think it's to late to save you.

The illuminati was a legit known organization back in the 1700s that emphasized "free thinking" and opposed the power of the church....there are books, diaries, etc

 

[Draphsin]

No, the illuminati is not currently controlling the world...Never have, and never will either

 

[Sasuke082594]

The illuminati was a legit known organization back in the 1700s that emphasized "free thinking" and opposed the power of the church....there are books, diaries, etc

Yes i know that. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows their agenda. They don't exist anymore. They agenda is just advertised by the stupid media now who like to have brainwashed people under their control.

i guess i'm one of the only ones with common sense in the world still.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yes i know that. Everyone knows that. Everyone knows their agenda. They don't exist anymore. They agenda is just advertised by the stupid media now who like to have brainwashed people under their control.

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

it's possible that an organization such as the illuminati exists, but is it possible that it is what people make it out to be?(controlling the world).....that's unlikely

People always over-exaggerate things, and the way they describe how much power the illuminati holds is simply unrealistic...or is too complicated for only one organization to handle.....

But it is possible that there is an organization that has some influence in our world to certain extents.

 

[Sasuke082594]

the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence

it's possible that an organization such as the illuminati exists, but is it possible that it is what people make it out to be?(controlling the world).....that's unlikely

People always over-exaggerate things, and the way they describe how much power the illuminati holds is simply unrealistic...or is too complicated for only one organization to handle.....

But it is possible that there is an organization that has some influence in our world to certain extents.

No it literally doesn't exist. Not anymore. All that exists is a corrupt government. People believe it exists because of the internet. It all started somewhere. Some ****ed up mind contaminated another and so on. This is just what the government wanted though. For people to be distracted by something nonexistent while they corrupt this nation.

 

[Lightbringer]

No it literally doesn't exist. Not anymore. All that exists is a corrupt government. People believe it exists because of the internet. It all started somewhere. Some ****ed up mind contaminated another and so on. This is just what the government wanted though. For people to be distracted by something nonexistent while they corrupt this nation.

People used to say organized crime doesn't exist.....


The russian mob is the most powerful crime syndicate we know of, and it is speculated that they have great influence over the Russian government, to the point where they are able to rig the election

who's to say the illuminati doesn't have the same influence?

 

[Sasuke082594]

People used to say organized crime doesn't exist.....


The russian mob is the most powerful crime syndicate we know of, and it is speculated that they have great influence over the Russian government, to the point where they are able to rig the election

who's to say the illuminati doesn't have the same influence?

This is different. The Government is using the name Illuminati. That's what i'm saying.

 

[GodlyKakashi]

I got wayy to Baked and i learned that they hold meetings every Tuesday night at my neighbors house. So yes i do