Do you believe in God?

[Ashflura]

READ EVERY POST WORD FOR WORD TOOTHPASTE. You seem to jump to conclusions every single time. I'm giving it one more go to explain things thoroughly, at least if you want to have a decent discussion, stop repeating assumptions.

apostasy is the disaffiliation of a religion by a person. if you feel insulted enough to sentence one to death, there is something wrong.

I'm referring to apostasy in Islam. I don't know how other cultures, religions handle this matter. Apostasy in Islam is valued as one of the most slenderest thing a human can do.

Understand this, The death penalty is a traditional custom. Not an islamic one.

There are no Quranic verses that state of any earthly punishments.

Imposing beliefs on the religion is a mistake on your behalf.

No one can change years of living in a snap. Before Islam came about, there were other religions existant and cultures, different ways of living, different ways that needed time to change. That was why Islam came about, and was slowly installed in the ways of people at that time so they could adjust.

apostasy being traditional or religious is irrelevant. it does not detract what happens to apostates.

Its sad what happens to them, I can't fix what's happened, but death of apostates generally happens because of a person humiliating a person's whole way of life. And like I said:

You obviously didn't read my reasoning from earlier, I've mentioned it clearly twice.

Death for apostasy is a traditional concept rather than religious.

I personally don't agree with the death penalty unless its a highly extreme case, where people are being abused, and only more harm than good will come out of the person living.

that's oppression. location is irrelevant. it still happens. if something cannot stand criticism there is something wrong. what is it afraid of?
unfortunately, children simply being born in the area do not have the luxury to leave and are bound by these "laws."

It's how they've lived for generations, it's not oppression. It's just different to the way you live. It's like saying teens under the age of 18 not voting is oppression? There are rules behind everything they do. I still don't agree to the death penalty. But if the person is overall doing more harm than good - than that's when considerations will be taken.

During the times of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH], after he reconquered Makkah, he forgave the Pagans for the way they treated Muslims, allowed the Pagans to live in Islamic territory, not believe in Allah, as long as they didn't go insulting Islamic teachings. It's called tolerance, not oppression.

one does not blindly follow government laws. laws have to make sense. the penalty for apostasy does not. leaving islam is grounds for death? simply because i do not agree with you, i should die? if you wish to worship some 7th century preacher, go ahead. however no one else is obliged to take it seriously.

1.Which is why people are open to questioning Islam. If they are confused, unsure or just want to gather knowledge, it's open doors. Just don't be disrespectful - as with any religion or culture. Of course laws have to make sense! Not everyone has though.

2.When did I clearly state that!?? I told you it was a traditional custom. Not a religious one!
I told you the reasons why apostasy in Islam even comes into consideration initially, is if:

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  The person leaves Islam in Islamic land.

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  Then directly insults the beliefs, humiliating respectful leaders.

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  And only when they become completely ignorant, causing more harm than good, there is prison or even telling the person to go somewhere where they support their rules. The world is large.

3. Read above.

4. As a matter of fact, 14th century, and its the establishment of the best way of living over thousands of years. Copy pasting an old sentence and not quoting it seems pretty weak in an argument. Believe in what you want, it doesn't bother me. Creating false assumptions of my religion, that is when I care.

if something or someone cannot stand criticism there is something wrong.

Obviously there is.
But there are sensitive people out there, and if your criticism, will do more harm than good, than let it go. It's not hard to stay silent.

if you feel insulted by criticism, so what?

I don't feel insulted by criticism, I give it personally to people to improve their artworks. What you are giving is not criticism. You are merely making an assumption, providing no evidence to back it up and then calling it criticism.:shrug:

islam is a way of life. however, if you leave it you will be punished..
it may well be true that religion can benefit a person's well being. however, it does not mean the religion itself is true nor does it mean there is an afterlife.

Yes if you leave it rudely, there will punishment in the afterlife. But if you don't believe in it, why does it matter?

i criticize but simply doing so with religion, people somehow "feel" insulted, as though "feeling" insulted means anything. i have not shoved anything down anyone's throat. i'm conversing with people and criticizing their ideas. people are free to do the same. if you feel insulted by my criticism, so what? defend your views. don't whine.

What have I been doing for the last few posts buddy.

i have too much respect for humanity to respect religion or any other superstition. respect is and should be earned.

Islam was built to correlate with humanity. That is why hallucinogens are forbidden to intake. That is why charity is compulsory. That is why belief in superstition is forbidden. That is why it is ordered to not have *** before marriage. That is why women and men are told to dress modestly. That is why spirituality is practiced. That is why worshipping god will promise you a better life in the hereafter.

Yes by showing people you are respectful, logical and tolerant, that is how it is earned.

 

[TobiIsYourMom]

Yes, I believe in God.

 

[JeanstersRMB]

I do

 

[Anorien16]

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religion without science is blind science without religion is lame. albert einstein
who has science and religoun = islam hands down

Well I wont argue with anything else but u got the Big Bang theory wrong . . . . It does not say something came from nothing: A energy/mass body exploded, it expanded from singularity to the vast know universe. Also the arrangement is not necessarily perfect or we wont get any meteor showers or clashes . . . its just that all the majority impacts and accident that would have happened has happened already and the system has stabilized some what. Also there are many factors to explain the current scientific model of origin of universe but it will take too long . . . . like how the elements formed or how first supposedly came into being etc. Also atheist necessarily does not beleive in Big Bang cos many Islamists agree that Allah (PBUH) created our world through a Big Bang . . . . also as for a matter in fact Big Bang is yet to be perfected and in many ways corrected.

But u got the others some what right.

 

[FutonKaton]

The term "God" is very vague. The term itself doesn't have an singular meaning, which is something I never got when people would claim that their "god" is the only real "god"....

Very vague thread, which will come with many flamers/trollers.

You done invited them D:<

 

[FutonKaton]

Also I would like to remind people that, if your "god" belongs to Christianity, Catholic, and the so forth common religions in America, Naruto the anime/manga it self would be going against those very beliefs....

If you do not know what I mean, Naruto has many things that would be blasphemous to those religions I have stated above. If you do not know what those things are, the things that go against your own religion, I am not sure why you would believe in that religion then.

 

[Ldude]

I am Athiest; This poster will explain;

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Thank you
So, yeah, I'm an atheist too. My religion doesn't make sense. -_-
In my opinion, it will not affect my life if I don't believe in God. There's no benefit and no punishment.
And I don't believe in an afterlife, but that does not mean I'm one of those "YOLO" people. I frankly hate when people do crazy sh!t and then justify it with YOLO.
But I strongly believe in ice cream. :ice:

 

[squigles]

True, However, Even Atheists Are Believers, In Fact, I Think A Lot Of Them Have More Faith Than Religious People, Faith To Believe There Is No Creator

This is one of the most ignorant things a theist could possibly say.

1. There is a fundamental difference between belief and knowledge.

2. Belief is the position of holding a positive claim as true without any degree certainty.

3. Knowledge is the position of holding a positive claim as true with at least some degree of certainty.

4. Atheism is not a belief, nor is it an assertion. Atheism makes no positive claims. Atheism does not describe anything EXCEPT the lack of belief in a god or gods.

5. The statement 'I am an atheist' is making no such claim that a god does not exist. Instead, the statement 'I am an atheist' is simply positing that no belief in god is held.

6. The label 'atheist' is an absurd label because atheism is the only negative position in philosophy which has it's own label. For all other negative positions of belief there is no label. If I do not hold a belief that unicorns exist, there is no label which describes that position. The same goes for any other supernatural belief.

7. Since atheism has no belief structure, it's a logical fallacy to claim that atheists have to believe in atheism. On that same note, it's a logical fallacy to claim that atheists have faith. It does not take faith to hold no belief in god, just like it does not take faith to hold no belief in Santa Claus.

8. Faith is a position of belief that a claim is true, without sufficient evidence. If you had sufficient evidence to support your claim, you wouldn't need faith.

9. Knowledge is a position of certainty that a claim is true, based on sufficient evidence. Knowledge is attained only after a evidence is provided to ascertain a degree of certainty.

10. Theism is a position that asserts a claim that a god exists, this god is a personal god, and this god is responsible for creating the universe and everything in it.

11. This claim is a positive claim, and just like any other positive claim, holds the burden of proof. It is up to theists to provide evidence that their claims are true, before anyone else has sufficient reason to consider them.

12. The position of atheism is a product of a rational thought process which holds no belief in any claim without sufficient evidence in such a manner to establish a reasonable level of certainty.

13. The label 'atheist' does not determine anything about the individual except their position regarding a lack of belief in a god. Atheists can hold other beliefs and values despite their lack of belief in a god, and no correlation or contingency exists between those beliefs and atheism. An example of this is Buddhism, which is a religion that holds no belief in god, yet holds many other spiritual/religious beliefs.

14. Atheism is a position which is deeply rooted within the scientific method. Science has established a standard working methodology by which to assess claims about the nature of the known universe. The first step in the scientific method is to make observations. Once sufficient observations have been made, science then formulates a hypothesis complete with a repeatable, falsifiable, and testable method for predicting the outcome of those observations.

In most situations, these tests will yield data which either supports or refutes the hypothesis, and at such a time where sufficient data is gathered, it is then submitted for peer review, where other members of the scientific community will then set out to falsify the hypothesis. Once the peer review process has established the validity of a hypothesis, providing conclusive data which supports the observations, then that hypothesis graduates to the level of a theory.

Unlike the colloquial definition of the word 'theory,' in science a theory is the highest form of explanation of any observation. A theory contains all the information regarding said observations, sufficient enough to conclude the validity of the theory based on the factual evidence gathered at the time of testing during the peer review process.

15. The scientific method operates on what's known as the Null Hypothesis. The Null Hypothesis states that if a hypothesis is not found to be supported by evidence, then there is no reason to pursue that hypothesis any further.

16. The scientific method directly relates to atheism because like science, atheism only cares about what's true. A claims truth is 100% contingent upon available evidence, and at such a time when no evidence is present, it is impossible to distinguish whether a claim is true or false. This is why it is not up to atheism to prove that a god doesn't exist, why atheism is not a belief, and does not require faith.

17. By holding the position 'atheist,' I am simply recognizing that the claim 'there is a god' has not met its burden of proof sufficient enough for me to believe that claim to be true. It is essentially no different than any other supernatural claim, including bigfoot, UFOs, fairies, gnomes, and magic.

 

[Fujin]

"If a God does exist, who created it? Who created the person who created God?" - Very simply, if a creator does exist, they are not bound to our physical natures. We like to prompt this question because it applies to us. We were born from our mother, who was born from their mother, and so on. This is simply how we look at creation, because of our experience with it. However, you can't ask a question like that about something that transcends everything we know of. It's simply a malformed question.

I wonder, why is it that a 'god' can transcend this rule of creation, but a universe (or whatever it exists in) cannot. It still seems as though we are still applying our take on it by adding in a consciousness. :shrug:

 

[lilanimegir14]

I believe in God..

 

[Crearts]

I believe in God.

I asked myself a few questions as a normal healthy thinking human who admits understanding and knowing many things and admits being unaware / not knowing many many things too and being objective.

The questions are:

1 - Where do I come from? How come do I exist now in my actual state?

2 - What is there after I die? Is it over for me or is there something after I die?

3 - What should I do at least now during my actual life if I was created and if there is an life after death?

4 - How can I be sure about my answers??? Because that is no joke.. I need to be sure about the truth.

In other words I asked myself questions with true intention to find the truth.. ie seeking truth as it is and not making it the way I want it to be cause as I said that is no joke.. it's my life and I don't want to mess with it.

That's about answering the question of the thread / forum
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And about answering my questions (in very short with no explanation for now):

1 - I have been created, which means by a Creator, which means God

2 - There is something after I die which is: a-another life, b-accountancy, c-retribution (both positive and negative retribution) and the judge is God

3 - Do as God wants me to do since He created me and He will be the judge on the day of judgement. About that point I choose Islam because it gives me all the answer to whatever I ask myself.

4 - That might be the most important part outside my ownself which is PROOF.. I need proof.
and Islam is a religion based on proof and it has many many proofs and the most important proof of Islam is the Quran. The Quran has many many miracles in it and that's proof. About the miracles of the Quran just make a search on the net and you gonna find tons of things most of which are great awesome ones and of course you gonna find a few people put miracles that are just normal things.

The most important fact is that I have real true intentions for searching for the truth.. that's it..

 

[DimLord Urza]

I wonder, why is it that a 'god' can transcend this rule of creation, but a universe (or whatever it exists in) cannot. It still seems as though we are still applying our take on it by adding in a consciousness. :shrug:

A God can transcend the physical rule of creation because a God is not physical. We are only aware of this rule because it is the only one that applies to our existence. A universe is completely physical. In my opinion, a universe would have to be derived from something else to exist, in other words, created. You may ask me then, "How can a God create something physical like the universe without interacting with the physical world?" Think about an artist who creates a picture. He can display incredible beauty, but cannot interact with the picture at all. Of course I could be wrong. This is just my speculation.

We cannot attribute "God" with any physical characteristics or phenomenons, because God is not physical. If he was physical, he would exist physically, which he doesn't.

 

[toothpaste]

I'm referring to apostasy in Islam. I don't know how other cultures, religions handle this matter. Apostasy in Islam is valued as one of the most slenderest thing a human can do.

Understand this, The death penalty is a traditional custom. Not an islamic one.

The penalty of death for apostasy is a traditional custom that is supported by Islam.

Mohammed said, "Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him." Hadith Vol. 9:57

but death of apostates generally happens because of a person humiliating a person's whole way of life.

It is childish to think that just because that person does not agree with me, I should kill him.

It's how they've lived for generations, it's not oppression. It's just different to the way you live. It's like saying teens under the age of 18 not voting is oppression? There are rules behind everything they do. I still don't agree to the death penalty. But if the person is overall doing more harm than good - than that's when considerations will be taken.

Comparing a voting age is hardly similar to a child being indoctrinated in a religion in which one does not have the luxury of leaving.

There is rationality in the rule of voting at a certain age. One must be at the accepted age of maturity and intelligence. Furthermore, if one disagrees with this rule, they are not silenced.

However, for apostasy, what is rational about killing someone because of their disbelief?

During the times of Prophet Mohammad [PBUH], after he reconquered Makkah, he forgave the Pagans for the way they treated Muslims, allowed the Pagans to live in Islamic territory, not believe in Allah, as long as they didn't go insulting Islamic teachings. It's called tolerance, not oppression.

Muhammad doing and saying some good things does not make him a good person.

Muhammad led a genocidal campaign against the Bani Qurayza, killing men and saving the rest for slavery.
He also raided the caravans of Mecca among other things.

"The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter." (5. Surah al Maidah:Verse 33)

What tolerance?

I told you the reasons why apostasy in Islam even comes into consideration initially
-The person leaves Islam in Islamic land.
-Then directly insults the beliefs, humiliating respectful leaders.
-And only when they become completely ignorant, causing more harm than good, there is prison or even telling the person to go somewhere where they support their rules. The world is large

You are making it sound like if these "conditions" apply to the apostate, the apostates execution is justified.

But you say you are against it.

Leaving Islam on "Islamic land" does not justify killing, anymore than leaving Islam elsewhere. Location is irrelevant.
"Feeling" insulted does not justify killing. That is childish.
What harm has someone like Abdul Rahman done to Islam? He was arrested and threatened with the death penalty for converting to Christianity.
What of Salman Rushdie?

And you speak of tolerance?

All I see here is this.
"The values of Islam trump anyone else’s - which is
what any follower of Islam does assume, just as any
follower of any religion believes that theirs is the sole way,
truth and light. If people wish to love a 7th century
preacher more than their own families, that’s up to them,
but nobody else is obliged to take it seriously.
- Andrew Mueller

Obviously there is.
But there are sensitive people out there, and if your criticism, will do more harm than good, than let it go. It's not hard to stay silent.

I will not stay silent simply for fear of hurting someones feelings.
If you cannot handle criticism, that is not my problem.

Yes if you leave it rudely, there will punishment in the afterlife. But if you don't believe in it, why does it matter?

Because it is a lie.

Islam was built to correlate with humanity. That is why hallucinogens are forbidden to intake.That is why charity is compulsory. That is why belief in superstition is forbidden. That is why it is ordered to not have *** before marriage. That is why women and men are told to dress modestly. That is why spirituality is practiced. That is why worshipping god will promise you a better life in the hereafter.

Hallucinogens are not the sole cause of hallucinations. Sleep deprivation and neurological disorders can cause hallucinations.

Charity is good. However one does not need religion to be charitable. Look at Oxfam. It's now a secular, non-governmental, independent and not-for -profit organization.

Religion itself is superstition...

Allah cares more of what you do in your bedroom than those afflicted with disease, famine, abuse, torture. Religion has not a monopoly on marriage or ***.

Quran (4:34) - Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

The abuse, mistreatment, and inequality of women. Tell me how this correlates with humanity.

Spirituality is superstition.

Which God must you worship to attain a better hereafter?
Many religions advertise "paradise". We have the Ancient Egyptian faith, the Christian faith, the Judaic faith. All promising "heaven."
All superstition.

Yes by showing people you are respectful, logical and tolerant, that is how it is earned.

There is a limit to being respectful and tolerant. I will not respect religions. However I can respect individuals.

I cannot respect something that is a lie. I cannot respect something that is used to mistreat people. I cannot respect abuse. I cannot respect something that is illogical.

 

[BelphaZar]

do you believe in God? ​

 

[toothpaste]

"If a God does exist, who created it? Who created the person who created God?"
- 1 Very simply, if a creator does exist, they are not bound to our physical natures. We like to prompt this question because it applies to us. We were born from our mother, who was born from their mother, and so on. This is simply how we look at creation, because of our experience with it. 2 However, you can't ask a question like that about something that transcends everything we know of. It's simply a malformed question.

1. How do you know that they are not bound by our physical nature?

2. You assume that this God is unfathomable. How do you know that?

1 Who ever said that it was God's choice to bring us into this harsh reality? 2 I would think that if such a God did exist, he would never force us into this world. If anything, we would have done it ourselves. The people who were burned, the people who were tortured, is it so hard to believe that they may have decided to experience that before they were born? Consciousness is a mysterious thing. Why is our consciousness suddenly tied with our physical existence when we are born?

1 Whoever said God created everything? I was trying to make a point that people who believe God created everything pick and choose.

2 This all powerful, all knowing God must know (hence -all knowing..)that we would impose this 'suffering' on ourselves. Why would this God create us in such a way? Isn't God all powerful?

Do you see my point?
This argument goes no where. It is meaningless.

Perhaps the experience of torture, or being burned, is necessary on our path. Perhaps we exist for the experience of life, and continue on our path. The people who are brave enough to experience the life of torture or anything of the sort are true heroes. 1 It all would have to tie in with the other reality, which I will not label heaven because I have no idea about it.

That is a terrifying and sadomasochistic prospect.

The word I have a problem with here is "PERHAPS". Using the word PERHAPS, one can say anything.

Perhaps dogs made this world.
Perhaps platypus's are from another dimension.
Perhaps pencils were introduced to us by aliens.

I am not trying to offend you. I am trying to make a point.

1 How do you know there is another reality?

 

[Lordgeorge16]

Well of course I believe in God! What, you think Nagato doesn't really exist just because he's a character in an anime?

...Silly jokes aside. I don't believe in one singular deity. I choose to be a Pagan and a Shintoist. Therefore, I believe in over eight million different gods and goddesses.

 

[Yuffosan]

If you believe in the human soul, then you believe that God exists. These 2 cannot go along separately.

 

[DimLord Urza]

1. How do you know that they are not bound by our physical nature?

2. You assume that this God is unfathomable. How do you know that?



1 Whoever said God created everything? I was trying to make a point that people who believe God created everything pick and choose.

2 This all powerful, all knowing God must know (hence -all knowing..)that we would impose this 'suffering' on ourselves. Why would this God create us in such a way? Isn't God all powerful?

Do you see my point?
This argument goes no where. It is meaningless.



That is a terrifying and sadomasochistic prospect.

The word I have a problem with here is "PERHAPS". Using the word PERHAPS, one can say anything.

Perhaps dogs made this world.
Perhaps platypus's are from another dimension.
Perhaps pencils were introduced to us by aliens.

I am not trying to offend you. I am trying to make a point.

1 How do you know there is another reality?

1. I know that a God does not physically exist, or it is extremely unlikely that he physically exists. There is no evidence he exists physically as of yet. It would be more likely he exists in another dimension or reality. That being said, he would not be bound by physical laws and phenomena. Why? He would not exist physically. It's like asking why would something not be wet if it's not in water? Because it's not in the water!xd

2. "You assume that this God is unfathomable. How do you know that?"
Humans have an adept way of analyzing and observing. We are superior in that respect. However, these forms of understanding the world around us only take us to that extent, understanding the world around us. We cannot understand things beyond our reality, because we cannot observe them. For this reason, a being such as a creator is unfathomable. If one exists. Please don't mistake me for saying that one does, I'm an agnostic. I don't know.

3. "This all powerful, all knowing God must know (hence -all knowing..)that we would impose this 'suffering' on ourselves. Why would this God create us in such a way? Isn't God all powerful?"
I already addressed a possibility as to why this might be. Do I know? Of course not. I'm merely speculating here. However, the most plausible reason to me would be that it is all for the experience. We impose suffering on ourselves for the experience. What do we gain from life? Experience. To me, the experience of life is the most important thing we can ever gain from it.

4. "The word I have a problem with here is "PERHAPS". Using the word PERHAPS, one can say anything.

Perhaps dogs made this world.
Perhaps platypus's are from another dimension.
Perhaps pencils were introduced to us by aliens. "

You gave me a laugh, that was funny. I understand what you mean completely. However, we have to take into account the likelihood of these possibilities. Do you think that dogs creating the world compares to a simple creator we label as a deity or God?
When you attribute specific characteristics, it sounds ridiculous as you have made it sound. However, you have to attribute a broader definition to attain a rise in likelihood, making it worth considering.
I can say:
Perhaps there are shoes in the closet.
Or:
Perhaps there are blue shoes in the closet.

Attributing a characteristic to the second statement makes it less likely a possibility. The first statement is broader, and more likely.

You are right that you can say perhaps about anything, but that doesn't really matter. Dogs do not have the power to create the universe. A deity, or creator, which we cannot attribute characteristics to other then the fact that they have power capable of creating the universe, sounds more reasonable and probable. Does that mean one exists? No. But you should consider the possibility. Which is much more likely then dogs or anything else.

 

[toothpaste]

I know that a God does not physically exist, or it is extremely unlikely that he physically exists. There is no evidence he exists physically as of yet.1. It would be more likely he exists in another dimension or reality. That being said, he would not be bound by physical laws and phenomena. Why? He would not exist physically. It's like asking why would something not be wet if it's not in water? Because it's not in the water!xd

1. how do you know that god is "more likely" to exist in another dimension?

"You assume that this God is unfathomable. How do you know that?"

Humans have an adept way of analyzing and observing. We are superior in that respect. However, these forms of understanding the world around us only take us to that extent, understanding the world around us. We cannot understand things beyond our reality, because we cannot observe them. For this reason,a being such as a creator is unfathomable. If one exists. Please don't mistake me for saying that one does, I'm an agnostic. I don't know.

I do not understand what you are trying to get at.

You say a creator is unfathomable, if one exists...
It's a contradiction.

"This all powerful, all knowing God must know (hence -all knowing..)that we would impose this 'suffering' on ourselves. Why would this God create us in such a way? Isn't God all powerful?"

1 I already addressed a possibility as to why this might be. Do I know? Of course not. I'm merely speculating here. However, the most plausible reason to me would be that it is all for the experience. 2. We impose suffering on ourselves for the experience. What do we gain from life? Experience. To me, the experience of life is the most important thing we can ever gain from it.

1. I've missed what you addressed. That or you've missed what I addressed.

If it was "I would think that if such a God did exist, he would never force us into this world. If anything, we would have done it ourselves. "

I've said "This all powerful, all knowing God must know that we would impose this 'suffering' on ourselves. Why would this God create us in such a way? Isn't God all powerful?"

2. Some people do not impose pain on themselves...

Is having an arm mutilated part of a life experience? Is being paralyzed as a result of a drunk driver part of a life experience? Is being raped part of a life experience?

I'm confused as to what you are arguing for. Is it that I should consider the probability of a creator god existing?

You are right that you can say perhaps about anything, but that doesn't really matter. Dogs do not have the power to create the universe. A deity, or creator, which we cannot attribute characteristics to other then the fact that they have power capable of creating the universe, sounds more reasonable and probable. Does that mean one exists? No. But you should consider the possibility. Which is much more likely then dogs or anything else.

I have a problem with that statement.

A deity, or creator, which we cannot attribute characteristic to other than the fact that they have power capable of creating the universe, sounds more reasonable that unlikely.

Why the double standard? We cannot know this God, however we can know that this God created the universe?

Why can a God simply be, but not the universe?

Why does everything need to be "created"?

I hold the possibility of a creator God as high as that of a unicorn, or goblins, or gnomes, or orcs, or ice trolls or kakashi.

Simply because the lack of evidence.

What is the difference between non-existent and unfathomable?

 

[ImmaculateShadow]

I am a ...

Non-dualist
Animistic
Jungian
Agnostic
Polytheistic
Rune Casting
Norse-Germanic Heathen​

The deity I aline myself with most strongly is Thor .

I could not have guessed that I would have ended up where I am today ten years ago.