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I wholeheartedly agree with what Dr. Sowell is saying that people have natural differences even among similar people. Yet we go about life expecting these people to be evenly represented.


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I wholeheartedly agree with what Dr. Sowell is saying that people have natural differences even among similar people. Yet we go about life expecting these people to be evenly represented.


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Very controversial topic. James Watson (co discoverer of the marvelous double helix structure that is life- DNA) got involved in some brouhaha for making statements regarding the "low IQ" of african cultures a while ago.

"He was "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa," he said, because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours – whereas all the testing says not really." He added that while he hoped everyone was truly equal"
The premise of his comments may seem prejudicial and it may be too much to extrapolate behavioral or "racial" tendencies from genes (after all- genes code for proteins, and how these proteins and micro-molecular reactions predict behavior is a myopic and bloviating way to view biology) but the genetic, traditional, and cultural expectations should not be disregarded- these factors should all be taken into consideration instead of just assuming that all cultures are the same.

from ncbi, regarding the nature of genetic influence:

"The literature also presents a picture of great complexity in the relationships of genes to racial and ethnic health differences. "
"Such complex causal networks are usually characterized by converging and diverging processes derived from multiple inputs from both genetic sources and environmental sources"
challenging the notion of "race":

Furthermore, similar traits such as skin color are convergent; different genes can cause similar morphological and behavioral characteristics.


Unfortunately, 87 year old Watson isn't the most elaborate speaker so I understand how his views may be misinterpreted as racist.

And in epigenetics (the study of changes in organisms caused by modification of gene expression rather than alteration of the genetic code itself)

"An equally intriguing idea that is gaining evidence to support it is that, even though it can’t change the genes his or her cells contain, a person’s environment could alter the epigenetic regulation of those genes. Therefore, if those epigenetic marks can be passed between generations, it could provide an answer for how exposure of a parent, or even a grandparent, to a chemical has been shown to alter a child’s disease susceptibility a generation or two later"

However, although the cost and difficulty of sequencing a person’s genes has rapidly fallen, the technology to get a read on a person’s epigenome has a long way to go to catch up. Only then will the full role of epigenetics in human health and biology emerge.

So I agree and disagree-There is so much to learn.

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Ironically, the same journalists who admonish and disparage these scientists can't make an article without saying: "Scientists say," "New study shows," "A new theory proposes," "Experts say," "Professionals agree."

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TL;DR:
There is a lot to learn about behavioral, genetic, and cultural science and how they influence our lives from a molecular level to the behavioral.

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very interesting articles on genetics:




 

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Very controversial topic. James Watson (co discoverer of the marvelous double helix structure that is life- DNA) got involved in some brouhaha for making statements regarding the "low IQ" of african cultures a while ago.


The premise of his comments may seem prejudicial and it may be too much to extrapolate behavioral or "racial" tendencies from genes (after all- genes code for proteins, and how these proteins and micro-molecular reactions predict behavior is a myopic and bloviating way to view biology) but the genetic, traditional, and cultural expectations should not be disregarded- these factors should all be taken into consideration instead of just assuming that all cultures are the same.

from ncbi, regarding the nature of genetic influence:


challenging the notion of "race":




Unfortunately, 87 year old Watson isn't the most elaborate speaker so I understand how his views may be misinterpreted as racist.

And in epigenetics (the study of changes in organisms caused by modification of gene expression rather than alteration of the genetic code itself)





So I agree and disagree-There is so much to learn.

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Ironically, the same journalists who admonish and disparage these scientists can't make an article without saying: "Scientists say," "New study shows," "A new theory proposes," "Experts say," "Professionals agree."

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TL;DR:
There is a lot to learn about behavioral, genetic, and cultural science and how they influence our lives from a molecular level to the behavioral.

----
very interesting articles on genetics:





I personally believe it's a combination of genetics and location that affect the differences in results among races. I don't think purely environment or genetics explain those differences
 
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