Do the mangekyou techniques truly reflect the souls of their wielders?

[SkyGodHorus]

I've seen this topic before, but I wanted to elaborate on it myself for once. It kind of reminds me of Bleach's zanpakuto concept. Many believe the mangekyou techniques personify what is in the Uchiha's heart or are reflections of their soul. The susano'os especially appear to be evidence of this.

Itachi's amaterasu may have reflected his hate towards conflict and himself while his Tsukuyomi reflected the illusion he kept on the world that he was a villain, not a hero.

Sasuke's Amaterasu may have reflected the hatred he had for Konoha, while Kagutsuchi reflected his ability to control his rage and make it his weapon.

Shisui wanted to have the power to stop conflict and for everyone to get along and survive, which he even tried to use on Danzou, so his Koto Amatsukami gave him the power to control people's minds.

We were never given clarification on Madara's MS techniques, but if you imagine the scenario where Limbo was in fact his sharingan technique, his clones only exist in a shadow world reality that only those with power over reality can see. Limbo is named after the circle of hell that depicts a false heaven. Sound familiar? Yes, the IT is an illusion that grants a false world of peace that he wanted. Ironically, his mangekyou pattern is composed of a circle.

Obito abandoned his identity to nihilism and wanted to escape reality. This gives you the idea that his heart had become devoid, hence he unlocked a power that unlocked a spiral void that sucked both he and anyone he cast it on into another dimension, like a black hole.

I'm still working on the tengu forms of the susano'os. Perhaps some of them depict tengus that represent something.

 

[uzamakininjalegend]

Great thread man you made some very valid points

 

[Rustling Gorilla]

The amaterasu ones don't make much sense for sasuke at least but ur on to something

 

[Romy9]

Finally, a thread worthy of actually being opened. Agreed with the majority of the points you addressed, but I wouldn't think of Amaterasu in Sasuke as a rage towards Konoha since it's basically Itachi's Amaterasu which is a hate towards the conflict. Sasuke then with Kagutsuchi gets to control that conflict, having the power to end it. Which he does in the end, against Naruto.

 

[Lilvic92]

I love this, very insightful man. +rep

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

I agree with this theory except:

Sasuke: always admire his brother that's why he had the same MS ability of itachi

Obito: always admire his minato sensei that's why he had S/T ability in his MS.

 

[Ging]

Wow awesome thread bro.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Finally, a thread worthy of actually being opened. Agreed with the majority of the points you addressed, but I wouldn't think of Amaterasu in Sasuke as a rage towards Konoha since it's basically Itachi's Amaterasu which is a hate towards the conflict. Sasuke then with Kagutsuchi gets to control that conflict, having the power to end it. Which he does in the end, against Naruto.

I think it makes sense since his mangekyou unlocked just as he made it his goal to destroy Konoha and this was before he transplanted Itachi's eyes. And even then, Sasuke doesn't appear to have inherited Tsukuyomi or the sacred weapons from them. Or at least doesn't use them or can't. The Amaterasu that was used on Obito was placed there by Itachi as a reactionary attack.

 

[Romy9]

I think it makes sense since his mangekyou unlocked just as he made it his goal to destroy Konoha and this was before he transplanted Itachi's eyes. And even then, Sasuke doesn't appear to have inherited Tsukuyomi or the sacred weapons from them. Or at least doesn't use them or can't. The Amaterasu that was used on Obito was placed there by Itachi as a reactionary attack.

Yes, but Itachi transfered his power to Sasuke by touching his forehead. Amaterasu activated on its own accord upon seeing Obito. It's still questionable whether Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. I think he has it, but not on Itachi's level. He can't alter the time in it. He used it against Bee when he immediately grabbed his eye as sign of strain. He also used it against Danzo when Danzo commented it was nothing like Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

 

[Rustling Gorilla]

Itachi's amaterasu may have reflected his hate towards conflict and himself while his Tsukuyomi reflected the illusion he kept on the world that he was a villain, not a hero.

Sasuke's Amaterasu may have reflected the hatred he had for Konoha, while Kagutsuchi reflected his ability to control his rage and make it his weapon.

This part is weird to me because in the mythology amaterasu is a peaceful god
I don't think Itachi hated himself :|

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I agree with this theory except:

Sasuke: always admire his brother that's why he had the same MS ability of itachi

Always admired Itachi? It wasn't until after Itachi died that he learned he was the hero lols. Before that, since he was seven, he hated him and that was what drove him. Obito said Sasuke's strength was his hatred. Flames are symbolic of hatred, anger, rage, conflict, etc. Sasuke said he wanted his revenge more than anything and likened his amaterasu and susano'o to the darkness he wished to command. It just seems far more obvious and poetic this way.

Obito: always admire his minato sensei that's why he had S/T ability in his MS.

But his mangekyou unlocked from the anger of losing Rin and he blamed Minato, along with the rest of the world for it.

 

[Wabbit]

I have seen similar thread long ago,techniques reflects personalities of the user like Itachi is kind and calm so Tsukoyomi and genjutsu to subdue people without much effort,Madaras dominance and power so PS etc but it is just a coincidence.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

This part is weird to me because in the mythology amaterasu is a peaceful god
I don't think Itachi hated himself :|

You don't think he hated himself for not being able to save his clan, for murdering his parents along with the clan himself and for torturing his brother in order to strengthen him? Okay then lols. He sounded pretty upset and regretful of his actions when he was revived in the war.

Amaterasu is the sun goddess, however, she also bore anger and hatred towards her brother Tsukuyomi for killing her friend, the goddess of food, and the two separated, creating night and day. Later, the same thing happened with her other brother susano'o, the god of storms whom she had feuds with and whom killed her consort and burned her rice fields.

Then of course, Kagutsuchi, the god of fire, born from Izanami and burning her to death in birth angered his father, the kami high father and creator, Izanagi who killed him as a result. With this, Kagutsuchi became the symbol of the ending of earth's creation and the advent of destruction and death.

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Yes, but Itachi transfered his power to Sasuke by touching his forehead.

I believe that's a common misconception and that it referred to the one time reactionary Amaterasu. If he had already obtained Itachi's powers, he would have already had EMS, which he didn't show and not have gone blind or needed the transplant later on.

Amaterasu activated on its own accord upon seeing Obito.

Because Itachi implanted and programmed it that way for a one time reactionary attack. Itachi's mangekyou pattern appeared, not Sasuke's and then disappeared after one cast, not to appear again.

It's still questionable whether Sasuke doesn't have Tsukuyomi. I think he has it, but not on Itachi's level. He can't alter the time in it. He used it against Bee when he immediately grabbed his eye as sign of strain. He also used it against Danzo when Danzo commented it was nothing like Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

That wasn't Tsukuyomi. It was just the sharingan's genjutsu. Sasuke did not call it anything, it didn't take Bee or Danzou to that shadow-like world and it emitted the crows, which Itachi used with his basic sharingan genjutsu. And Tsukuyomi is not in Sasuke's databook technique list.

 

[Rustling Gorilla]

You don't think he hated himself for not being able to save his clan, for murdering his parents along with the clan himself and for torturing his brother in order to strengthen him? Okay then lols. He sounded pretty upset and regretful of his actions when he was revived in the war.

Amaterasu is the sun goddess, however, she also bore anger and hatred towards her brother Tsukuyomi for killing her friend, the goddess of food, and the two separated, creating night and day. Later, the same thing happened with her other brother susano'o, the god of storms whom she had feuds with and whom killed her consort and burned her rice fields.

Then of course, Kagutsuchi, the god of fire, born from Izanami and burning her to death in birth angered his father, the kami high father and creator, Izanagi who killed him as a result. With this, Kagutsuchi became the symbol of the ending of earth's creation and the advent of destruction and death.

Itachi regretted it but he didn't hate himself because it prevented the uchiha rebellion

Amaterasu deemed them evil but didn't seek revenge she separated her self from them, I was saying she symbolized peace and took the high road kinda the opposite of what sasuke did.

I don't know much about kagutsuchi but that definition fits

Overal i agree

 

[SkyGodHorus]

Itachi regretted it but he didn't hate himself because it prevented the uchiha rebellion

We'll have to agree to disagree here. He was also upset when Shisui gave him his eye and committed suicide, which I believe was when his mangekyou actually unlocked.

Amaterasu deemed them evil but didn't seek revenge she separated her self from them, I was saying she symbolized peace and took the high road kinda the opposite of what sasuke did.

Don't matter dude. It states she was angered and in fury. Her mythology states she also fought on and off with susano'o for destroying the things she loved.

But anyway, my theory didn't really involve the mythology behind the names of the techniques, just their properties lols. Several of the mythology references Kishimoto used contradicted their folklore.

Overal i agree

Thanks. I will agree its flawed and is open to many interpretations, but that's what I like about it.

 

[Naruto X Hunter]

Finally, a thread worthy of actually being opened. Agreed with the majority of the points you addressed, but I wouldn't think of Amaterasu in Sasuke as a rage towards Konoha since it's basically Itachi's Amaterasu which is a hate towards the conflict. Sasuke then with Kagutsuchi gets to control that conflict, having the power to end it. Which he does in the end, against Naruto.

It's his own Amaterasu.

OT - I was thinking that four limbos may he in reference to Madara having 4 brothers.

 

[Romy9]

It's his own Amaterasu.

It shouldn't be, as far as my opinion is concerned. His Amaterasu in this context is advancing it to Enton and Kagutsuchi.

 

[Lariatoo]

Great thread. I personally always tought só:
Itachi had mastery over Tsukuyomi (illusions, lies) while Sasuke had over Amaterasu (destruction, hatred) and Óbito had Kamui (intangiblity, scapism)

 

[SkyGodHorus]

I wonder what techniques would have fit Indra and Izuna's characters.