[Discussion] Do people still believe in the sabo hype as much as when after dressrosa was finished

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In other words Sabo fanboys do you guys still huff and puff and blow the one piece section down with sabos arguably flawed hype. :|

Well while was arguing about how I felt about katakuri and how I felt about him. I brought up sabo and as I was writing my post, I forgot the sour feeling of talking anything bad about sabo. I remember when he first arrived to the scene his fanboys literally had me dreading looking at the OP section.

Here's the comment
"With that being said I believe I want to place katakuri > all of luffy s current main villains of the new world (aside from moma herself) however I feel like it is to early to tell and we are having titles cloud our judgement. I mean look at sabo, does anybody remember when the sabo fans first got created. Jesus they sword up and down that sabo could take out literally every person he was put up against. Thank God they got humbled by fujitora, his bounty reveal and just plain common sense that the second commander is not the first commander. If people still think that, aside from himself, sabo is the strongest thing he could muster up against the full force of the WG then wtf up lol.

I mean there's the fleet admiral that dragon would face off
Then there's the commander in chief (still kong, which btw is higher position than fleet admiral however idk if it's stronger etc)
Then there's the three admirals*
Let's not forget the cipher pols (0)
And last but certainly not least, the group that everyone shits on but in reality is literally set up like a yonko pirate crew. Yes I'm talking about the warlords*
At helm is mihawk yonko lvl basically confirmed (to me with warlords being his crew without it hes admiral to me because he would not be able to just keep multi territories on his own)
His first and 2nd mate doffy and kuma with brain (if has haki could switch between him and doffy idk who's stronger tbh)
3rd mate boa Hancock

Then you have talented ace lvl or lower fighters*
Croc
Jinbe
Law
Moria*

Then buggy the gag

(Didn't add wevile because he is featless and I don't know how I feel about him tbh) also this was prime warlords obv I'm referring to when croc got replaced by law which only made that team stronger and harder to deal with..."

Tbh idc where's sabo been ok, I don't rank him that much stronger the luffy tbh I honestly don't know what he would do against g4, and the only thing that is making me say that is the mera mera lol.. I wonder how he would fair without it...

And before I hear dragons name brought up, ace was with whiteboard, and before that made a name for himself so much so to even become a warlord
 

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At least Sabo is not over wanked when compared to that fodder Mingo.
If I had a dollar for every time some mofo says "DD is so versatile" "DD is a tank" "Akainu high diffs DD" "DD is above Yonko Commander"
 

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At least Sabo is not over wanked when compared to that fodder Mingo.
If I had a dollar for every time some mofo says "DD is so versatile" "DD is a tank" "Akainu high diffs DD" "DD is above Yonko Commander"
Lol you be broke because I've been on this base since 2011 everyday (it's literally my social media) and I have never heard anyone compare Akainu and mingo

As for him being versatile and a tank what is wrong with those statements exactly ? Do you think hes not a tank or do you feel hes a glass cannon like cracker


Don't you find it funny that we have had so many antagonists/new chars past mingo (Jack dukes Kakatari cracker smoothie etc) yet I never see them pared against one another. And everyone swears that doffy is without a doubt weaker then all of them.. Yet he is literally the first person that everyone compares him to everyone. Like literally I've heard ppl call doffy a relic, yet despite the relic being so "weak" he literally comes up in conversation regarding a new strong character. I really do wonder that because he literally gets shit on by majority of this base.
 

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Lol you be broke because I've been on this base since 2011 everyday (it's literally my social media) and I have never heard anyone compare Akainu and mingo

As for him being versatile and a tank what is wrong with those statements exactly ? Do you think hes not a tank or do you feel hes a glass cannon like cracker


Don't you find it funny that we have had so many antagonists/new chars past mingo (Jack dukes Kakatari cracker smoothie etc) yet I never see them pared against one another. And everyone swears that doffy is without a doubt weaker then all of them.. Yet he is literally the first person that everyone compares him to everyone. Like literally I've heard ppl call doffy a relic, yet despite the relic being so "weak" he literally comes up in conversation regarding a new strong character. I really do wonder that because he literally gets shit on by majority of this base.
Make a thread saying Akainu vs Doflamingo or any Admiral vs Doflamingo and someone will say Admiral wlill win med-high diff when in reality DD will get spanked.

Btw I am PM you a quote of Akainu>DD high diff
 
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Plenty people take things as face value. Mingo was pretty much a god before an injured Law cut his face on the bridge. People still cling to the whole hype and take Mingo trying to kick Fujitora breaking out of Kuzan's ice as "admiral level powah".

The Sabo wank is nothing but hype and face value. Sabo clashed with admiral? He must on his level despite gradually losing to said admiral med diff without being able a push the admiral back AND the admiral wasn't serious....getting med diffed by a non serious admiral trying to stall....I mean Luffy did the same against a Fujitora who couldn't his DF powers(he was using most of it to keep a country's worth of rock in the air).
 

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Plenty people take things as face value. Mingo was pretty much a god before an injured Law cut his face on the bridge. People still cling to the whole hype and take Mingo trying to kick Fujitora breaking out of Kuzan's ice as "admiral level powah".
So where would you rank Mingo on the powerscaling then if he is not admiral level? I honestly think he is low admiral at best, meaning around Fujitora's level but maybe weaker than Aokiji.

I am asking because from what we have seen, Vice admirals are more or less kinda weak, so we obviously wouldn't place him there considering what he was doing to Smoker.

So would he be in between vice admiral and just barely on the line of admiral, or is he still slightly below admiral?
 

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So where would you rank Mingo on the powerscaling then if he is not admiral level? I honestly think he is low admiral at best, meaning around Fujitora's level but maybe weaker than Aokiji.

I am asking because from what we have seen, Vice admirals are more or less kinda weak, so we obviously wouldn't place him there considering what he was doing to Smoker.

So would he be in between vice admiral and just barely on the line of admiral, or is he still slightly below admiral?
Have you ever heard the term "Yonko-Commander Level". It's fairly new and represents the gap between Vice-Admiral and Admiral. Luffy, Doflamingo and most Yonko Commanders and Shichibukai would be in this category. Doflamingo I think would be mid-Yonko Commander Level. Top-YC level fighters (Katakuri) are the ones who would get high diff by an admiral.
 
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So where would you rank Mingo on the powerscaling then if he is not admiral level? I honestly think he is low admiral at best, meaning around Fujitora's level but maybe weaker than Aokiji.

I am asking because from what we have seen, Vice admirals are more or less kinda weak, so we obviously wouldn't place him there considering what he was doing to Smoker.

So would he be in between vice admiral and just barely on the line of admiral, or is he still slightly below admiral?
Well I have no admiral or yonko level in my power scaling. Only top tiers since there are only like....13 big dogs in the series. All yonko and admirals are top tiers.

Yonko commanders are pretty balanced in terms of power so I consider "yonko commander level" a pretty legitimate level. Marco, Katakuri, Cracker, Smoothie, Jack, Beckman etc.. Doflamingo is near the bottom of this. The upper yonko commanders can push top tiers high diff. The lower ones like Mingo, Cracker, Vista, Jozu etc. can only go med diff tops.
 

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Well I have no admiral or yonko level in my power scaling. Only top tiers since there are only like....13 big dogs in the series. All yonko and admirals are top tiers.

Yonko commanders are pretty balanced in terms of power so I consider "yonko commander level" a pretty legitimate level. Marco, Katakuri, Cracker, Smoothie, Jack, Beckman etc.. Doflamingo is near the bottom of this. The upper yonko commanders can push top tiers high diff. The lower ones like Mingo, Cracker, Vista, Jozu etc. can only go med diff tops.
Why are two of whitebeards strongest commanders considered so low especially when both of them had pretty solid feats I mean one fought against the world's strongest swordsman who actually knew him by name the other fought evenly (until distracted by marco) with a stamina beast like akoiji)
 

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Wouldn't of fought Sabo in the first place if he initially didn't in the first place.

Still have no idea of what you're trying to say. He fought Sabo in order to have an excuse not to chase Luffy. There was no stalemating or deadlock...just Fuji stalling to achieve a certain goal....
 

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Still have no idea of what you're trying to say. He fought Sabo in order to have an excuse not to chase Luffy. There was no stalemating or deadlock...just Fuji stalling to achieve a certain goal....
Fighting Sabo wasn't an excuse to not fight luffy, in the end he met up with King Riku to watch Luffy fight Dofy. Just like Dofy said, he should've helped the Warlord take out the pirate alliance but he didn't.
What Vandenreich said pretty much. He was even more says in that panel is all everyone will see is he couldn't get past sabo. Heavily implies that he wasn't trying to get past him.
What it implies is that he's trying to act exactly like how Smoker did in Alabasta which the Tashigi already confirmed. If Fujitori continued to fight Sabo, Luffy would've died at the hands of Burgess.
Given the fact that it wasn't an all out war, we're not gonna sit here and pretend fujitori did nothing when he was fighting Sabo. They both put around the same amount of effort before calling it even.
 
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Fighting Sabo wasn't an excuse to not fight luffy, in the end he met up with King Riku to watch Luffy fight Dofy. Just like Dofy said, he should've helped the Warlord take out the pirate alliance but he didn't.

What it implies is that he's trying to act exactly like how Smoker did in Alabasta which the Tashigi already confirmed. If Fujitori continued to fight Sabo, Luffy would've died at the hands of Burgess.
Given the fact that it wasn't an all out war, we're not gonna sit here and pretend fujitori did nothing when he was fighting Sabo. They both put around the same amount of effort before calling it even.
He didn't not do anything he put in enough effort to stalemate sabo. The point is fuji had a reason not to go all out. Sabo didn't. It's possible that sabo wasnt going all out but he had no reason not to. All we can conclude is that sabo is capable of fighting an admiral but so is Luffy but he would lose. These levels are stupid anyway. Fuji is stronger I think but I don't know if you can say sabo is on his level? What difficulty does a fight have to be for them to be on the same level?
 
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