Do people not understand the concept of bad match ups?

[Rufus ShinRa]

Saying Gaara>Minato is like saying Deidara>Tobirama this is just hot thread people..........

 

[closecombat1254]

You make some good points but honestly, i just cannot see a base rasengan bring the jutsu to take gaara down for good. Besides the RDS, Minato has no guaranteed killing jutsu in his arsenal.

If he manages to get a rasengan in, Gaara will survive, his sand will surround him in a protective barrier, and he will rethink his tactics.

Maybe if minato had a stronger offensive jutsu, I would feel different.

U misunderstand minato base rasengan is naruto big ball rasengan which is 2times as big

 

[closecombat1254]

Minato can't blitz Gaara why? Because 4 gated lee tried to and he in tht state is physically stronger then a base minato Atleast from what we have seen NOTE I said physically and Gaara sand Sheild was easily able to hold up as he didn't take any damage in tht fight what's so ever

So yeah minato blitzing Gaara and winning this way is laughable at best cuz he doesn't have physical stature to break through sand armor -_-

That's plot dude base lee punch garra and broke his armor then lee speed and power went up 5 to 10 Times base and it barely cracked ??????

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

That's plot dude base lee punch garra and broke his armor then lee speed and power went up 5 to 10 Times base and it barely cracked ������

Never fully broke his armor his armor is built to tank just incase someone bypass his defenses and it wasn't plot Gaara received no damage in tht fight what's so ever

The only damage he prob substained was to his ego for not relizing someone may b faster then his sand U_U but it doesn't matter because his armor can tank 4 gates and tht was Chunin exam Gaara war arc Gaara had found harder minerals since then so his sand armor is likely stronger in fact we haven't seen it breach the entire war ..

 

[ATD]

People must accept that a lot of characters have a bad matchup character.
Like Suigetsu > hidan , hidan would never get his blood, double water gun ends this if it lands a few times
Omoi > Suigetsu, raiton is the biggest weakness
Hidan > Omoi , omoi has no chance

The Op is right gaara is a bad matchup for alive base minato. He explained why and that sounds possible.

 

[RicardoA]

You make some good points but honestly, i just cannot see a base rasengan bring the jutsu to take gaara down for good. Besides the RDS, Minato has no guaranteed killing jutsu in his arsenal.

If he manages to get a rasengan in, Gaara will survive, his sand will surround him in a protective barrier, and he will rethink his tactics.

Maybe if minato had a stronger offensive jutsu, I would feel different.

That would be if Minato needed to break through the sand. He can blitz it.
Gaara may survive due to his sand armour, but he will still be in worse condition than he was at the beggining, making his performance even worse.

Want a really bad match up? Kisame vs Gai.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

That would be if Minato needed to break through the sand. He can blitz it.
Gaara may survive due to his sand armour, but he will still be in worse condition than he was at the beggining, making his performance even worse.

Want a really bad match up? Kisame vs Gai.

Im sorry bro....I cant buy that.

Hus rasengan maybe bigger, but its still a base rasengan.

You cannot name 1 blunt attack that seriously injured gaara in thus entire manga.

He survived being blowup by multiple spiders INSIDE his own sand shield and STILL managed to move a extremely large amount of sand from above his village.

Somthing else Also, everyone keeps saying minato blitzes GG. How will he blitz gaara if he is already high up in the air flying? Minato has no chance if getting near him.

Any attempt to FTG towards him will be intercepted by sand shuriken.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

People must accept that a lot of characters have a bad matchup character.
Like Suigetsu > hidan , hidan would never get his blood, double water gun ends this if it lands a few times
Omoi > Suigetsu, raiton is the biggest weakness
Hidan > Omoi , omoi has no chance

The Op is right gaara is a bad matchup for alive base minato. He explained why and that sounds possible.

Woah now....I think omoi is a bad match up for hidan. Ill tell you exactly why.

If you've noticed about the cloud village weapon users, they are all VERY well trained....from omoi to bee to darui.

The reason im not liking hidan in this fight is because he's too reckless and wild. One wrong move and he could get beheaded. Now if omoi has no knowledge of humans abilities, it could get dangerous for him.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

That would be if Minato needed to break through the sand. He can blitz it.
Gaara may survive due to his sand armour, but he will still be in worse condition than he was at the beggining, making his performance even worse.

Want a really bad match up? Kisame vs Gai.

Thats the problem. He WILL survive. And minatos one chance of winning is out the window.

Go back and look at war gaaras fights. He is VERY analytical. Once he sees minatos jutsu, gg.

 

[ATD]

Im sorry bro....I cant buy that.

Hus rasengan maybe bigger, but its still a base rasengan.

You cannot name 1 blunt attack that seriously injured gaara in thus entire manga.

He survived being blowup by multiple spiders INSIDE his own sand shield and STILL managed to move a extremely large amount of sand from above his village.

Somthing else Also, everyone keeps saying minato blitzes GG. How will he blitz gaara if he is already high up in the air flying? Minato has no chance if getting near him.

Any attempt to FTG towards him will be intercepted by sand shuriken.

Sorry for repeating myself you are absolutely right and the fact that gaaras sand can keep up with the speed of amaterasu is a good argument against the statement that minato will blitz gaara at the beginning.
All ftg kunais can be blocked before they get near to gaaras body, if minato tries to blitz him with shunshin the sand will react immediately to minatos slash, a rasengan can also be slowed down due to automatically sand defense, buying time for gaara.
I dont understand why so much people still disagree after you gave so many good arguments.

 

[Great Master Minato]

Minato Is More Analytical Than Gaara U_U
When He Sees A Jutsu Just For Once He Can Analyses It In Second & Come Up With A Successful Counter For It...
Just Look At How He Analyses Madara's TSB When Kakashi & Gaara Were There Too...
Minato's Smartness & Quick Thinking >>>>>>>>> Gaara's...
Minato's Mind Will Be The Key To Victory For Him...

 

[ATD]

Woah now....I think omoi is a bad match up for hidan. Ill tell you exactly why.

If you've noticed about the cloud village weapon users, they are all VERY well trained....from omoi to bee to darui.

The reason im not liking hidan in this fight is because he's too reckless and wild. One wrong move and he could get beheaded. Now if omoi has no knowledge of humans abilities, it could get dangerous for him.

yeah thats true but all hidan needs is a bit of his blood. Hidan kept up with kakashis taijutsu, a good feat. I don't think omoi is this good, but it would be interesting if a ration blade would destroy hi dans weapons.

 

[RicardoA]

Thats the problem. He WILL survive. And minatos one chance of winning is out the window.

Go back and look at war gaaras fights. He is VERY analytical. Once he sees minatos jutsu, gg.

He might survive. Even an incomplete rasengan can be potencially fatal (as seen when Kabuto used regeneration to recover from Naruto's rasengan and it still left him incapacitated for the rest of the battle), the sand armour isn't enough to fully mitigate the impact of Minato's completed jutsu.
Any damage done will be enough to slow him down, i fail to see how Minato hypotetically failling to kill him the first time completely reduces his chances to 0. He can do the same again while Gaara will be at a bigger disadvantage the next time.

Being analytical won't help him here. What can he do to counter Minato's speed? Sealing himself in a sand dome forever won't do any good.
His intellect still pales compared to Minato. If anything the Hokage would be the one benefiting from his brain.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

He might survive. Even an incomplete rasengan can be potencially fatal (as seen when Kabuto used regeneration to recover from Naruto's rasengan and it still left him incapacitated for the rest of the battle), the sand armour isn't enough to fully mitigate the impact of Minato's completed jutsu.
Any damage done will be enough to slow him down, i fail to see how Minato hypotetically failling to kill him the first time completely reduces his chances to 0. He can do the same again while Gaara will be at a bigger disadvantage the next time.

Being analytical won't help him here. What can he do to counter Minato's speed? Sealing himself in a sand dome forever won't do any good.
His intellect still pales compared to Minato. If anything the Hokage would be the one benefiting from his brain.

Flight? Again, minato has no counter for this.

 

[Hyphen]

I'm under the impression that Minato fans think he constantly moves at the speed of his shushin. Anyways as stated above they both have their chances to win but it is more in Gaara's favor.

Also can't Minato teleport Gaara's sand if it touches him?

 

[RicardoA]

Flight? Again, minato has no counter for this.

Its the same as being on the ground. I don't remember any flying character ever gaining advantage in battle simply because they stand higher than their opponents. Its only useful for less mobile shinobi to move around better (Onoki) or to escape ground attacks (Gaara vs Kimimaro, Gokage vs Madara, Naruto & co vs Kaguya)

Anyway, all this debate over this match up only shows this isn't in fact a bad match up. There's actually a chance for either side.
A bad match up happens when fighter A completely counters fighter B without the later having a chance to defend himself.
This doesn't necessarily mean A > B. Gai vs Kisame like i mentioned before is a great example.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I'm under the impression that Minato fans think he constantly moves at the speed of his shushin. Anyways as stated above they both have their chances to win but it is more in Gaara's favor.

Also can't Minato teleport Gaara's sand if it touches him?

He can't mark sand because it's not a whole each piece is a particle which is 2 small to mark I he were to try to mark the sand it will just disperse and form anew it's like righting ur name with a stick on beach and having the wind blow.1.

 

[KingHashirama]

This concept rarely exists in the manga, only fans have made it to justify stuff.. because not enough characters have shown screen time in fighting ability.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

Its the same as being on the ground. I don't remember any flying character ever gaining advantage in battle simply because they stand higher than their opponents. Its only useful for less mobile shinobi to move around better (Onoki) or to escape ground attacks (Gaara vs Kimimaro, Gokage vs Madara, Naruto & co vs Kaguya)

Anyway, all this debate over this match up only shows this isn't in fact a bad match up. There's actually a chance for either side.
A bad match up happens when fighter A completely counters fighter B without the later having a chance to defend himself.
This doesn't necessarily mean A > B. Gai vs Kisame like i mentioned before is a great example.

Hopefully, your not serious about the first part of your post.

Obviously, its harder to hit a flying target that it is a grounded one simply because its flying.

Kakashi even told naruto when he was chasing deidara, that he had no chance against him. This is because naruto was primarily a close range fighter and he had a VERY limited arsenal at that time.

Now obviously current, or even kcm/bm mode naruto would likely own deidara due to his much improved arsenal.

 

[Hyphen]

He can't mark sand because it's not a whole each piece is a particle which is 2 small to mark I he were to try to mark the sand it will just disperse and form anew it's like righting ur name with a stick on beach and having the wind blow.1.

I meant that didn't Minato say that whatever is touching him or his chakra he could teloport it.