Do people not understand the concept of bad match ups?

[Frikid]

There are many things you are taken for granted in this match up.
I will list them below :

1. Gaara have full knowledge on minato
2. Gaara is in a desert (only then he can create a sand tsunami, or he might need some preparation time)

You are also underestimating potential of minato's rasengan and summoning.

A bad match up would be 3t sasuke vs deidara OR SM naruto vs itachi.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

The Mizukage had access to much less oil than Bunta can spit, yet Gaara was crippled all the time.

Apparently making a desert out of nowhere is no good or he isn't able to do one when his sand his mixed with oil.

Make more sand in the midst of a combat against a speedster and while his sand is crippled? That wouldn't be a good idea.

If Gaara goes for Bunta, Minato goes for him and its game over. This is also assuming he has enough sand already to overwhelm Bunta before the later is able to spit is oil.

Gaara can attack and defend at the same time.

If in fact, he can attack and defend multiple targets at the same time.

Gaara can also create sand while fighting. He doesnt need prep.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

There are many things you are taken for granted in this match up.
I will list them below :

1. Gaara have full knowledge on minato
2. Gaara is in a desert (only then he can create a sand tsunami, or he might need some preparation time)

You are also underestimating potential of minato's rasengan and summoning.

A bad match up would be 3t sasuke vs deidara OR SM naruto vs itachi.

Sorry bud....your info is very wrong.

He was NOT in the desert when he created the sand Tsunami against kimimmaro....in fact, they where fighting in a lush, green forest until gaara turned it into a desert.

Gaara us being very underrated here. Seems people aren't really knowledgeable about his abilities.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

The Mizukage had access to much less oil than Bunta can spit, yet Gaara was crippled all the time.

Apparently making a desert out of nowhere is no good or he isn't able to do one when his sand his mixed with oil.

Make more sand in the midst of a combat against a speedster and while his sand is crippled? That wouldn't be a good idea.

If Gaara goes for Bunta, Minato goes for him and its game over. This is also assuming he has enough sand already to overwhelm Bunta before the later is able to spit is oil.

Go look at his fight with kimimmaro.

He constantly made brand new sand underground, whike fighting the whole time.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I agree

The only problem is GAmabunta

Also BM or kyubbi he didn't show alive so I dnt give him it here's my argument

Ps u can't mark sand it disperse -_-



i always believed gaara is a very good counter to minato (to those who think i'm his hater I like minato just not u fanboys,i also believe gaara is a very good counter to itachi as well)

the reason is,

1. his sands act as he wishes, unlike other elements that can not be solidified or those that can not be manipulated, or has less density.

2. his sands can become a shield, can become a spear. defence and offence, midrange and close range, all possible

3. minato can't tag his sands, because basically sands can disperse and come together as well, making his tags useless (to tag, one needs a surface, and there is no surface in the sand once gaara decides to change its form)

4. his ultimate defence, which he used against both sasuke and deidara, will need a very good attack to penetrate, and i don't think minato has such an attack(chidori was successful probably because it was lightning)

5. gaara, if i recall, should have quite good chakra reserve, as former jinchuriki. thus even in long battle he's not exactly in a disadvantage.

6. just like kisame, gaara can basically make any place his battle field with his sand to a certain extent, making things to his advantage, and unless you can fly, you're always going to be fighting the sand since you're stepping on it.

7. with that third eye, he doesn't need to reveal himself to the enemy and can always hide in his ultimate defence.

still minato is dangerous, smart, and fast, rasengan and hiraishin combo, all those dangerous seals and plus the shiki fujin, summons. Still say gaara wins


Toads can hop all they want the bigger the target the easier it is cetch them -_-

Gaara's sand is fast enough to block and 'swallow up' Minato's kunai. Minato doesn't want to teleport into Gaara's sand, doesn't he?

Gaara's third eye prevents Minato's attempt to sneak up behind. Any location with earth (90 percent of wear ppl woyld fight)Location favors Gaara also. He can grind more sand from the ground and send a sand tsunami at Minato, making Minato's tags on surroundings useless.



The only way I c minato winning is because of gamabunta withy he oil thts it but gaara hasn't let tht stop him with the 2nd mizukage who has more oil and better uses of it then gamabunta who just spits it out and minato wouldn't know about oil being gaara weakness cuz well he wasn't in the war lml plus gamabunta wouldn't just use it out of no where it's for a combo attack mixed with fire

Also he can fly

 

[Frikid]

Sorry bud....your info is very wrong.

He was NOT in the desert when he created the sand Tsunami against kimimmaro....in fact, they where fighting in a lush, green forest until gaara turned it into a desert.

Gaara us being very underrated here. Seems people aren't really knowledgeable about his abilities.

Well ...
Gaara send some of his sand underground to make more sand. Only when he had enough sand created he could create a sand tsunami.
For this he needs preparation time.

 

[RicardoA]

Gaara can attack and defend at the same time.

If in fact, he can attack and defend multiple targets at the same time.

Gaara can also create sand while fighting. He doesnt need prep.

Go look at his fight with kimimmaro.

He constantly made brand new sand underground, whike fighting the whole time.

That's irrelevant >_> His defence isn't fast enough and neither are his offensive moves. If Bunta is summoned relatively early in the fight, there's no doubt Gaara won't have enough sand to both restrain the giant toad and defend himself against Minato.

I know, i have the volume where he fights Kimi like 1 meter away from me.
My point is that he can't do everything at the same time and the extra sand doesn't instantaneously appear out of nowhere.
He will need to have enough sand for Minato teleporting from anywhere, enough sand to deal with Bunta, in base and all this while being crippled by oil
No way he can handle all this when he struggled the way he struggled against the Mizukage who didn't need half the oil Bunta can spit to noticeably deplete his power. Not even close.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

I see a lot of good points being made concerning the example presented by the topic. Both have serious pros and cons against one-another, and a really good argument could be made for either of them winning.

This is also one of the reasons I love the manga so much. The fights weren't just about who was stronger, based on whatever power ranking system that was being used. DBZ had the ki powerlevels, Yu-Yu Hakusho had the rankings, etc. No, the fights were really more subtle and grounded in some sense of reality. Match-ups, strategy, terrain, circumstances, etc. all play pivotal roles in a fight.

But now with the powerlevels as they are, Hagoromo's family are all DBZ level.

 

[sharingansennin]

Kisame could probably beat the shit out of Naruto.

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He beats Naruto

 

[Mrmojo8484]

That's irrelevant >_> His defence isn't fast enough and neither are his offensive moves. If Bunta is summoned relatively early in the fight, there's no doubt Gaara won't have enough sand to both restrain the giant toad and defend himself against Minato.

I know, i have the volume where he fights Kimi like 1 meter away from me.
My point is that he can't do everything at the same time and the extra sand doesn't instantaneously appear out of nowhere.
He will need to have enough sand for Minato teleporting from anywhere, enough sand to deal with Bunta, in base and all this while being crippled by oil
No way he can handle all this when he struggled the way he struggled against the Mizukage who didn't need half the oil Bunta can spit to noticeably deplete his power. Not even close.

After analyzing his fight with the mizukage....gaaras imperial desert funeral countered the oil. It was not enough to seep thru the sand. A large amount of sand can counter the oil.

 

[shelke]

War Gaara loses to base Minato? This base be smoking some serious kush.

 

[RicardoA]

After analyzing his fight with the mizukage....gaaras imperial desert funeral countered the oil. It was not enough to seep thru the sand. A large amount of sand can counter the oil.

That was after the Mizukage deployed his clone and got drained of most of his chakra, much like Muu when he uses his splitting jutsu. He probably couldn't even use anything after that.
Gaara always had a

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amount of sand availuable to him since the beggining of their fight.

 

[Mrmojo8484]

That was after the Mizukage deployed his clone and got drained of most of his chakra, much like Muu when he uses his splitting jutsu. He probably couldn't even use anything after that.
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amount of sand availuable to him since the beggining of their fight.

You make some good points but honestly, i just cannot see a base rasengan bring the jutsu to take gaara down for good. Besides the RDS, Minato has no guaranteed killing jutsu in his arsenal.

If he manages to get a rasengan in, Gaara will survive, his sand will surround him in a protective barrier, and he will rethink his tactics.

Maybe if minato had a stronger offensive jutsu, I would feel different.

 

[Hagoromo Reanimation]

I don't see Gaara beating Minato especially with frog genjutsu all he has to do is make a clone teleport them away summon them back with it prep K.O.

 

[ATD]

very good threat,
you are right it doesn't matter how many kunais minato throw when a sand tsunami can burry all of them in a few seconds.
even minato blitzes gaara to begin, the sand amor of gaara is there if the sand shield gets passed, which i doubt cause gaaras sand reacted to amaterasu.
The one problem is gamabunta, it wouldn't be easy to burry him he is to big, but im sure there is a way to survive until the summoning time is up.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

I don't see Gaara beating Minato especially with frog genjutsu all he has to do is make a clone teleport them away summon them back with it prep K.O.

Why r u giving him feats he hasn't shown and how does he get tht close to Gaara if he's flying ..

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Minato can't blitz Gaara why? Because 4 gated lee tried to and he in tht state is physically stronger then a base minato Atleast from what we have seen NOTE I said physically and Gaara sand Sheild was easily able to hold up as he didn't take any damage in tht fight what's so ever

So yeah minato blitzing Gaara and winning this way is laughable at best cuz he doesn't have physical stature to break through sand armor -_-

 

[ATD]

Why so many think gaaras sand is slow, it can keep up with the speed of amaterasu.
gaara doesn't need to be fast when his sand is.

 

[Conspirator.]

Yeah, and you can't understand the concept of matchups in general. Minato beats gaara.

 

[Hagoromo Reanimation]

Why r u giving him feats he hasn't shown and how does he get tht close to Gaara if he's flying ..

Giving Features he doesn't have then prove me to he doesn't , he doesn't need to close Sound genjutsu Gama Rinshō is long range GG