Do people expect sasuke to meet sage?

[slimreaper]

Oh yeah, that Odama Rasengan and fodder genjutsu control is really impressive..
Even his Rasen Shuriken couldn't compare to Hebi Sasuke.

Sasuke trained his ass off during the timeskip while Naruto came back lame af. You mad bro?

Pisses me off when people say sasuke didn't train. this says it all

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[xcoyote]

10/10
would read again.

 

[slimreaper]

You didn't have to wreck him so hard you know..
Oh yeah what website can i find a list of kishi's interviews if anyone knows?

heres one

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[Dannie]

heres one

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Oh that's interesting. I didn't know Itachi was his fav Akatsuki. It kinda explains a lot, lol.

 

[Flawž]

"Naruto and Sasuke progress as a pair. So when I write about Naruto, I always have to think about Sasuke. They are on opposite sides of the spectrum, like yin and yang". -Masashi Kishimoto

yeah naruto won't get a power up or meeting of the sage without sasuke. Notice how they died together? probably to have them both meet the sage in their minds. if it was just naruto he would have been the only one to go unconcious. Use your head for something more than a hat rack

they progress as a pair in terms of power. Naruto gets a power up, Sasuke also does, this has nothing to do with Sasuke also meeting Rikudo.

Naruto is the only one who can meet rikudo due to having all the bijuu's chakra and being Rikudo's successor (friendship with bijuu). Sasuke still believes Power > love.

Naruto will meet rikudo in his subconscious.

 

[slimreaper]

they progress as a pair in terms of power. Naruto gets a power up, Sasuke also does, this has nothing to do with Sasuke also meeting Rikudo.

Naruto is the only one who can meet rikudo due to having all the bijuu's chakra and being Rikudo's successor (friendship with bijuu). Sasuke still believes Power > love.

Naruto will meet rikudo in his subconscious.

So because sasuke believes power is greater than love, he won't meet the sage? wouldn't that be more of a reason for him to meet the sage? Wouldn't sasuke need to be persuaded otherwise by the sage? I mean really put some though into your argument.

Naruto has also been parallelled with hashirama.. making him like the sages younger son. That being said sasuke can be parallelled to the sages older son so it isn't out of the realm of possibility for sasuke to meet the sage.

You suggesting otherwise like you write the manga is just idiotic. You nor I know so stop posing like you do.

 

[End of Days]

OP: both or neither will meet the sage. They progress as a pair, ****ing idiots

thats like saying, sasuke should meet minato just because naruto met him

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Naruto is meeting rikudo because he now has all the bijuu's chakra from shukaku to hachibi and both halves of kyuubi, unless sasuke begs the bijuus for their chakra (and last i checked he was planning on buring them), he is light years away from getting a glimpse of the sage

 

[Flawž]

So because sasuke believes power is greater than love, he won't meet the sage? wouldn't that be more of a reason for him to meet the sage? Wouldn't sasuke need to be persuaded otherwise by the sage? I mean really put some though into your argument.

Naruto has also been paralleled with hashirama.. making him like the sages younger son. That being said sasuke can be paralleled to the sages older son so it isn't out of the realm of possibility for sasuke to meet the sage.

You suggesting otherwise like you write the manga is just idiotic. You nor I know so stop posing like you do.

Naruto will be the one to TNJ sasuke, not the sage. Minato made this clear when he stated that only a friend can truly understand a friend. Sage TNJ'in Sasuke is out of the question.

Sasuke still believes that Power > Love, There is no way Hes going to meet the Sage, specially since hes not friendly with the Bijuu which is the connection to meeting rikudo. Naruto is friendly with the bijuu, Parallels Rikudo, Foreshadowed being Rikudo and is his successor. It wouldn't make sense for Sasuke to meet rikudo.

Another thing your getting confused about. Naruto will get a power up from Rikudo, Sasuke will get a power up through kabuto and hashirama's DNA, it doesn't matter that Naruto will meet rikudo, all that matters is that they will both be equal until the end where naruto has to beat sasuke proving that Love > Power.


This scan proves what im saying is true: naruto is Rikudo's Successor and parallel, not the younger son who didn't have friendship with the bijuu.

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Older son - Power - no friendship with bijuu
Younger son - Love - No friendship with bijuu
Rikudo - Love and friendship with bijuu

Naruto parallels Rikudo, not the younger son.

 

[Xlad]

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Naruto will be the one to TNJ sasuke, not the sage. Minato made this clear when he stated that only a friend can truly understand another. Sage TNJ'in Sasuke is out of the question.

Sasuke still believes that Power > Love, There is no way Hes going to meet the Sage, specially since hes not friendly with the Bijuu which is the connection to meeting rikudo. Naruto is friendly with the bijuu, Parallels Rikudo, Foreshadowed being Rikudo and is his successor. It wouldn't make sense for Sasuke to meet rikudo.

Another thing your getting confused about. Naruto will get a power up from Rikudo, Sasuke will get a power up through kabuto and hashirama's DNA, it doesn't matter that Naruto will meet rikudo, all that matters is that they will both be equal until the end where naruto has to beat sasuke proving that Love > Power.


This scan proves what im saying is true: naruto is Rikudo's Successor and parallel, not the younger son who didn't have friendship with the bijuu.

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Older son - Power - no friendship with bijuu
Younger son - Love - No friendship with bijuu
Rikudo - Love and friendship with bijuu

Naruto parallels Rikudo, not the younger son.

There is also a point where Kurama himself clumped

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. When Naruto said he was going to do something about his hatred, he was shocked. That's implying Naruto is the only person besides RS to treat him differently. Just food for thought.

 

[Flawž]

There is also a point where Kurama himself clumped

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. When Naruto said he was going to do something about his hatred, he was shocked. That's implying Naruto is the only person besides RS to treat him differently. Just food for thought.

Exactly, Great point.

 

[slimreaper]

Naruto will be the one to TNJ sasuke, not the sage. Minato made this clear when he stated that only a friend can truly understand a friend. Sage TNJ'in Sasuke is out of the question.

Sasuke still believes that Power > Love, There is no way Hes going to meet the Sage, specially since hes not friendly with the Bijuu which is the connection to meeting rikudo. Naruto is friendly with the bijuu, Parallels Rikudo, Foreshadowed being Rikudo and is his successor. It wouldn't make sense for Sasuke to meet rikudo.

Another thing your getting confused about. Naruto will get a power up from Rikudo, Sasuke will get a power up through kabuto and hashirama's DNA, it doesn't matter that Naruto will meet rikudo, all that matters is that they will both be equal until the end where naruto has to beat sasuke proving that Love > Power.


This scan proves what im saying is true: naruto is Rikudo's Successor and parallel, not the younger son who didn't have friendship with the bijuu.

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Older son - Power - no friendship with bijuu
Younger son - Love - No friendship with bijuu
Rikudo - Love and friendship with bijuu

Naruto parallels Rikudo, not the younger son.

again talking like you write the manga. Show me where it says getting bijuu chakra equals a trip to see the sage... Stop pulling shit out of your ass

as for end of days... the comparison doesn't make sense. Why would sasuke meet naruto's father? that wouldn't help advance the plot in any way.

 

[Flawž]

again talking like you write the manga. Show me where it says getting bijuu chakra equals a trip to see the sage... Stop pulling shit out of your ass

as for end of days... the comparison doesn't make sense. Why would sasuke meet naruto's father? that wouldn't help advance the plot in any way.

why would sasuke meet rikudo? Sasuke doesn't believe what rikudo believes, Hes not friends with the bijuu and he doesn't have any bijuu chakra which is the only connection towards Rikudo.

Why would sasuke Meet rikudo? And don't say TNJ him because we know it's naruto's job to TNJ sasuke in the final fight.

this scan proves what im saying is true, on the other hand, you have no scans proving your point.

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[GhostProject]

Naruto will be the one to TNJ sasuke, not the sage. Minato made this clear when he stated that only a friend can truly understand a friend. Sage TNJ'in Sasuke is out of the question.

Sasuke still believes that Power > Love, There is no way Hes going to meet the Sage, specially since hes not friendly with the Bijuu which is the connection to meeting rikudo. Naruto is friendly with the bijuu, Parallels Rikudo, Foreshadowed being Rikudo and is his successor. It wouldn't make sense for Sasuke to meet rikudo.

Another thing your getting confused about. Naruto will get a power up from Rikudo, Sasuke will get a power up through kabuto and hashirama's DNA, it doesn't matter that Naruto will meet rikudo, all that matters is that they will both be equal until the end where naruto has to beat sasuke proving that Love > Power.


This scan proves what im saying is true: naruto is Rikudo's Successor and parallel, not the younger son who didn't have friendship with the bijuu.

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Older son - Power - no friendship with bijuu
Younger son - Love - No friendship with bijuu
Rikudo - Love and friendship with bijuu

Naruto parallels Rikudo, not the younger son.

The argument is fine and I don't mind, but to discount Naruto as the Younger Son in many of Kishi's themes I believe is a mistake. Naruto has been a representation of Hashirama long before we even knew the Sage, much like Sasuke to Madara. The younger son was also the "successor" to Rikudou, however he failed because he fought with his brother and created war instead of peace, which is what the tailed beasts came to accept as what humans do and hated them because of it. Naruto will simply be faced with the same problem as the Younger Son as he is already considered Rikudou's successor by the tailed beasts.

Naruto hasn't even come to the recently foreshadowed dispute with Sasuke over the Bijuu. Naruto has learned that he cannot accomplish things all alone, and Sasuke has learned that two opposing forces cooperating can achieve true happiness during this arc. The Younger and Elder had a fight that held the future and probably the friendship of the Bijuu in the balance. Naruto and Sasuke seemingly will have one too judging by the hints at Sasuke's new motives. He has to solve this issue before he can begin to make decisions for the ninja world as a Sage.

Naruto will surpass the Sage, that much is almost certain and I'm not arguing against it, but to do so, he has to overcome the error of the original Younger and Elder son. Much of Kishi's themes become lost if we don't see Naruto as the Younger Son in some situations.

Also these themes go more than one way.

Elder - Power - Bond with one of the strongest and influential ninja of the complete opposite ideology. (At least a rivalry bond)
Younger - Love - Bond with one of the strongest and influential ninja of the complete opposite ideology.
Rikudou - Love (At the end of his life) - No noted human bonds.

 

[fandum]

I don't see why Sasuke would meet So6P. What would Sasuke gain by it and what character development would it offer? I'm not saying that Kishi won't do it just that I don't see it being done. Naruto is the only one that has meet someone in his subconscious so far in the manga I don't see it being a trend for anyone else at this point.

 

[TonyDawn1379]

NO. no no NO Absolutely NOOO !

 

[Osagyefo]

That's Le Sauce fanboys for ya, but we all know ONLY Naruto will meet the Sage.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The argument is fine and I don't mind, but to discount Naruto as the Younger Son in many of Kishi's themes I believe is a mistake. Naruto has been a representation of Hashirama long before we even knew the Sage, much like Sasuke to Madara. The younger son was also the "successor" to Rikudou, however he failed because he fought with his brother and created war instead of peace, which is what the tailed beasts came to accept as what humans do and hated them because of it. Naruto will simply be faced with the same problem as the Younger Son as he is already considered Rikudou's successor by the tailed beasts.

Naruto hasn't even come to the recently foreshadowed dispute with Sasuke over the Bijuu. Naruto has learned that he cannot accomplish things all alone, and Sasuke has learned that two opposing forces cooperating can achieve true happiness during this arc. The Younger and Elder had a fight that held the future and probably the friendship of the Bijuu in the balance. Naruto and Sasuke seemingly will have one too judging by the hints at Sasuke's new motives. He has to solve this issue before he can begin to make decisions for the ninja world as a Sage.

Naruto will surpass the Sage, that much is almost certain and I'm not arguing against it, but to do so, he has to overcome the error of the original Younger and Elder son. Much of Kishi's themes become lost if we don't see Naruto as the Younger Son in some situations.

Also these themes go more than one way.

Elder - Power - Bond with one of the strongest and influential ninja of the complete opposite ideology. (At least a rivalry bond)
Younger - Love - Bond with one of the strongest and influential ninja of the complete opposite ideology.
Rikudou - Love (At the end of his life) - No noted human bonds.

The relevance and importance of Sasuke is towards the Elder Son vs Younger Son, Uchiha vs Senju feud and the reunification of the two clan's ideology and bloodline, as seen with his inquiry about the Uchiha and Senju backstory with Hashirama and his new resolve to establish a new system with the proper interplay of love and peace, whereas, the relevance and pertinence of the Juubi, the Sage and the Bijuus plot points are strictly with Naruto only, more than anything, it is Sasuke who embodies the two sons, while Naruto is the sole embodiment of the Sage, no more, and no less.

Aside from the symbolism and themes, Naruto is, literally, not figuratively, the reincarnation of Rikudou Sennin:

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Hagoromo is a Bodhisattva symbolized by the six rings of his staff (a Buddha has 12 rings) a Bodhisattva is a Sage of the Six Realms of Samsara because he is there to alleviate suffering (dukkha) from the Six Realms. Hagoromo tried to usher peace, but he was not truly successful, therefore, it is a conditio sine qua non for the Bodhisattva Sage to reincarnate himself into the human realm to once and for all nullify the Karmic Action of his mother Kaguya and free humanity from the Outer Path heresy which is the stolen power of Chakra, through his reincarnation Naruto, Hagoromo will be able to liberate humanity from the Wheel of Suffering once and for all (Moksha)


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[Seventh Sama]

The argument is fine and I don't mind, but to discount Naruto as the Younger Son in many of Kishi's themes I believe is a mistake. Naruto has been a representation of Hashirama long before we even knew the Sage, much like Sasuke to Madara. The younger son was also the "successor" to Rikudou, however he failed because he fought with his brother and created war instead of peace, which is what the tailed beasts came to accept as what humans do and hated them because of it. Naruto will simply be faced with the same problem as the Younger Son as he is already considered Rikudou's successor by the tailed beasts.

Naruto hasn't even come to the recently foreshadowed dispute with Sasuke over the Bijuu. Naruto has learned that he cannot accomplish things all alone, and Sasuke has learned that two opposing forces cooperating can achieve true happiness during this arc. The Younger and Elder had a fight that held the future and probably the friendship of the Bijuu in the balance. Naruto and Sasuke seemingly will have one too judging by the hints at Sasuke's new motives. He has to solve this issue before he can begin to make decisions for the ninja world as a Sage.

Naruto will surpass the Sage, that much is almost certain and I'm not arguing against it, but to do so, he has to overcome the error of the original Younger and Elder son. Much of Kishi's themes become lost if we don't see Naruto as the Younger Son in some situations.

Also these themes go more than one way.

Elder - Power - Bond with one of the strongest and influential ninja of the complete opposite ideology. (At least a rivalry bond)
Younger - Love - Bond with one of the strongest and influential ninja of the complete opposite ideology.
Rikudou - Love (At the end of his life) - No noted human bonds.

Well, Techincally sasuke embodies both the sons ideology now since he's overcome the curse of hate and now wants to bring peace, however i disagree with u, naruto isn't just going to have sasuke's cooperation. he's going to have everyone's cooperation. but naruto will be the one to guide them.... Rikudo didn't have any "human bonds"? He's the one who friggin connected with everyone who had chakra during the time he was alive...

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The only person who ever accomplished something simalir to that is no one other than naruto himself.

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so yeah, naruto has way more parallels with the sage than with the younger son...

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Well, Techincally sasuke embodies both the sons ideology now since he's overcome the curse of hate and now wants to bring peace, however i disagree with u, naruto isn't just going to have sasuke's cooperation. he's going to have everyone's cooperation. but naruto will be the one to guide them.... Rikudo didn't have any "human bonds"? He's the one who friggin connected with everyone who had chakra during the time he was alive...

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The only person who ever accomplished something simalir to that is no one other than naruto himself.

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so yeah, naruto has way more parallels with the sage than with the younger son...

And, for the simple reason that Naruto is not even a Senju, he's an Uzumaki.

 

[Conspirator.]

If sasuke is meeting anybody, it's the rikudos sons. I firmly believe that sasuke represents BOTH of the sages sons, whereas naruto represents the sage himself.
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