I meant that you're prejudiced in favor of Christianity, which is rather obvious by the fact that you keep citing the Bible and you have been implying several times that the non-Christians are wrong. In particular where you said that Jews weren't seeing clearly that Jesus was the Messiah, which is a roundabout way of saying that they are mistaken and you just did it again in this post. As far as they are concerned they were seeing very clearly, but just don't accept Jesus as their Messiah.
Do Jews and Christians have same God
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and what if I am blind? you racist to blind people now too?!
haha
joking aside, yes traditions and the like are different but I was simply pointing out the COMMON MISCONCEPTION that everyone seem to have thus creating a religious war.
GOD = YAHWEH = ALLAH = DEUS.
the entity they worship is all the same. basically the wars are a big fight on which to call the ruler of their fandom.
the major differences really stem on who they believe the messiah is.
but as I said, one is just the continuation of the other.
Judaism -> Christianity -> Islam. So of course they will be different due to them no longer progressing. Should they, then we'd all be muslims by this point on but we wouldn't deny Jesus as the son of God but we will also look forward to getting another messiah since mohammed is already the messiah to us.
But considering we were foretold that Jesus will come a second time, we could still consider him as the Last messiah.
For he shall deliver us from sin. and all that.
TBH it's all about ego.
Judaism (Past) Christianity (Future) Islam (Present)
all the same thing and also I love how people just think Jesus is this goodie two shoes that will save us, they are dead wrong.
especially in christianity. We have been told what his 2nd coming will be like and man he is disgustingly pissed off at us.
2 ways to save the soul:
Through Salvation and Damnation.
Jesus already offered us Salvation by sacrificing himself the 1st time. What will they think he will do when Jesus comes back a second time to save us? Salvation? AGAIN? I wonder how well that worked out. XD
so yeah all the same religion but our ego won't let us see it as is, may it be yours alone or others.
religion as we know now is just old politics.
ideology and philosophy is the same but do we really focus on that? no.
we look for ways to justify our actions derived from desires.
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Muslims worship only Allah. There is no "worship Allah and Muhammad. Get your information right. Muhammad is a messenger from Allah, but most of all he's a human. Not to be worshiped along with Allah.
Seriously, non-Muslims have zero percent idea about Islam.
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Nope. Through the time I spent on Internet, non-Muslims do poor research and even get misinterpretation of Quran and Hadeeth. Call me "sufi" or whatever you like.
Do you know the concept of Sufi?
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Not really .God promised Messiah who would do the following :
1. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-28).
2. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6).
3. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4)
4. Spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "God will be King over all the world – on that day, God will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9).
If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be the Messiah.
Jews have legit reasons to reject Jesus if we go by Bible. And the Bible is main source of both religions so ignoring it is not a option to prove something.
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At the present time nor Jewish or Chrstian believe in the same God. Nor Muslim believe the God that being worship by current Judism and Christ followers.
But in the past (thousands of years ago) all believers under the guidance and lead of Chosen Prophets (People of the Book) believe in the same God
I know Sufism, yes.
And you're generalizing again. Internet is pretty much like a public square of huge dimensions, and you find people of all kinds there. Specifically, in the internet you can read articles from the website of a postdoctoral researcher and watch a porn video, you can learn how to make bread on wikihow and you can browse Narutobase.
At the end of the day you probably only searched in the wrong place.
For instance, Shayk Dr. Yasir Qadhi praised Reformed Baptist theologian James White in the beginning of their debate in the mosque in Memphis, saying he knows more about Islam than most Muslims do.
James White has a website (Alpha and Omega ministries), is not a Muslim and he knows a great deal of stuff about Islam, according to a well known Muslim scholar.
Therefore your attack is invalid
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I hoped you defined Sufism, but whatever. I know what Sufism is.
As for James White and the website Alpha and Omega ministries (AOM), I don't know anything about James White, I think AOM is doing fine on religion. I'll look what they know about Islam both James and AOM. I'll let you know.Deadlift said:
I'm fine with this.
Considering that we're not debating anymore I can tell you that Sufism is a movement developed within Islam with an accentuated mystical and esoteric character. It must be said that it's not a sect of Islamic inspiration (like, say, Ahmadyyas) nor is it a denomination (like Sunni or Shia). In fact, there are Shia Sufis and Sunni Sufis.
I also know that scholars are divided about the roots of this movement: Some say its doctrine is a syncretism of Islam and more ancient cults, whereas others consider it to be completely Islamic.
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I never searched about Shia Sufi. I didn't know it does exist, but for Sunni Sufi, they raise deeds of sunnah level to obligation level. They make hadeeth of prophet Muhamaad as a source as equal as Quran.
You clearly have no clue about Islam it has all the same prophets as Judaism and Christianity they just have mohammad the quran has most of the stories of the bible..jesus is mentioned more than mohammad,revelations is the same in all three books.
If I'm not mistaken isn't that what Muslims believe?that god gave chosen prophets the correct way to worship him and mohammad was the last prophet