do byakugu stand a chance against teh powers of Byakugan????..

[Reviewing Logic]

I never contradicted your analogy or challenged it and I even gave one of my own.

You say it's like storing only in a bank.

I said it's like drawing blood from your body to a bag.

Both analogies in no way contradict the other, the only thing I'm soloing is your arguments.

now back on topic.. you said that Tsuande nor manga has said that the chakra was sealed and you posted a mistranslation too.




Shuzine said to Tsunade, "don't release the seal" so wouldn't that mean Tsunade would have to have a seal in order for shizune to ask her not to open it? lol your not this dumb.





I've done no such thing, I did however solo you in this argument.

I posted facts that back up everything I've stated and it's time for you to admit defeat.

You said Tsunade/Sakura can only enhanced their strength in two way, their fist and feet right? I jus posted a DB that says Tsunade lifted a giant sword with her artful chakra control and fine-tuning.

You also said the the chakra in the byakugou seal isn't sealed charka XD

^^^^you lost are creditability there.



do you see where it says stored?

Then released?

The fact that the chakra is released into their body means where ever it's coming from is external.



Also read up what CES is and how it is used again since you think it can apparently enhance muscle body strength

instead of the actual definition I gave above



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again where does it say external


she can store it in a point, she can store it out of her points

it wasn't mentioned which

she just said stored and seal



again where does it say

also, again scans of CES being something else then what I stated


idk how thick headed you are but that DB scan says nothing about CES's expelling output beyond hands and feet

 

[Exaar]

There is a difference. But ultimately this is talking about opening tenketsu not doing Jutsu. 64 palms blocks 64 chakra points on the chakra network. The chakra network is not completely useless. There are over 300 chakra points on the network. The hyuuga technique just blocks the most vital ones for Jutsu and chakra molding. Now if Byakugou was a chakra point or any point in the chakra network, she opens it where does that chakra go, it would flow in the chakra network till it inevitably gets to the next closed point stopping it's flow. Byakugou users can regulate the amount of chakra the take from this single point so all she has to do is force a large amount out. If it's on the chakra network it simply flows and forces the closed points open.

It does make the network completely useless, Both naruto and Kidomaru said they couldn't use chakra after being hit by it, naruto even stated he couldn't even feel his chakra.
Also Naruto compares the effects of getting hit by 64palm, To using up all of his chakra.

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Those two statements alone shows that 64palms completely shuts down the entire network.

 

[Team7monaa]

Either way Sakura and Tsunade >> Hyuuga clan.

 

[Darth Natsu Shazneel]

i'm surprised people in support of byakugo are arguing this again. We already won years ago. I applaud you all for reminding them though. I will not participate this time but i dont even need to XD

Hey so you got a victory? Good for you now run along take your medal and high tail it outta here to let the adults talk, Who actually read this manga. =D

Either way Sakura and Tsunade >> Hyuuga clan.

Sounds like a nice wet dream you had.

 

[Melanin]

again where does it say external[/QUOTE]

Again do you see where it says sealed?

When you seal something away it no longer is apart of what it separated from.

The seal it's is not apart of the users body, it connects to the users body after it's released.

Side note: are you going to adress your falsehood? You said the manga didn't say that the chakra was "sealed" and I posted the scan that says otherwise. So were you wrong or right?

Take this L please.

she can store it in a point, she can store it out of her points

The seal isn't a chakra point, it's a seal.

your not getting that simple difference.

she just said stored and seal

but you previously said Tsunade didn't say seal? do you now think otherwise after I fact checked you?

also, again scans of CES being something else then what I stated

Read it and weep, I quoted the datebook and the data book says that via chakra control Tsunade can excuse feats that are physically impossible or that are absurd.


L.....

idk how thick headed you are but that DB scan says nothing about CES's expelling output beyond hands and feet

L.....

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It would seem Tsunade’s “outrageous strength” completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.


One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta’s huge dosu** with absurd ease…?!

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Again do you see where it says sealed?

lol again stop assuming "seal" means it is external


literally it can be anything as we have curse seal, jin seal, hyuga branch seal, etc....


again showcase it implying something else, where she explicitly says how it works and that it ISN'T in her chakra system.


also

It would seem Tsunade’s “outrageous strength” completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.


One finger, and Naruto cannot close in on her. And she can handle Gamabunta’s huge dosu** with absurd ease…?!

read what you post

 

[Scryed]

The chakra of the Yin seal travels from the forehead to the chakra network. If the chakra points are closed, it would literally stop that chakra in its tracks.

I wonder what'll happen if the chakra points in the neck are closed. Would it block the path preventing the chakra from reaching the rest of the body?

 

[Melanin]

lol again stop assuming "seal" means it is external

I’m not assuming anything, I’m applying the definition ad context of the word. Your on the other contradicting or challenging meaning of sealed and assuming it means the opposite of what it truly means because it doesn’t suit your argument.

literally it can be anything as we have curse seal, jin seal, hyuga branch seal, etc....

I’m telling you that it isn’t just anything.

Yin Seal is a second and separate reserve for Tsunade & Sakura. It’s external from their body and chakra network; it’s only subject to their bodies when it’s opened.

Katsuyu is even connected to the seals power or chakra so that in itself says it’s external because if it weren’t she would just be connected to the user.


You’ve lost this one.

 

[Askeladd]

Either way Hyuuga clan >> Sakura and Tsunade .

I see, don't think anyone could deny that tbh.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

I’m not assuming anything, I’m applying the definition ad context of the word. Your on the other contradicting or challenging meaning of sealed and assuming it means the opposite of what it truly means because it doesn’t suit your argument.



I’m telling you that it isn’t just anything.

Yin Seal is a second and separate reserve for Tsunade & Sakura. It’s external from their body and chakra network; it’s only subject to their bodies when it’s opened.

Katsuyu is even connected to the seals power or chakra so that in itself says it’s external because if it weren’t she would just be connected to the user.


You’ve lost this one.

no Katsuyu is only connected by a summoning contract

again stop pulling stuff out of no where to justify your argument

it is worse then a straw man's argument because it has not even one form of basis to work with

your DB debunked you on CES

and a SEAL doesn't say anything about your byakugou conjecture

 

[Mori Jin]

Sakura fans are akin to flat earthers. Would swear up and down what they're saying is true, yet can't back it up lol.

Hyūgas that use the gentle fist style, seal chakra points in the human body. The Byakugo is a seal on the forehead of users. Block that chakra point, or the chakra points around it, and the stored chakra is useless. Can't reopen the points - as shown in the Manga - without a Bijuu doing it for you. Wouldn't even need to seal it really. Block the points on her wrist and her strong punches are useless and the same with her feet. Air/wall Palm to keep the things she throws and her away. No scenario were she wins against a vigilant Hyūga, who uses the Gentle Fist taijutsu style. She also can't attack them by surprise, as her go to "sucker punch the enemy, when he/she is not looking will not work on them.

Byakugan/Gentle Fist > Byakugo.

 

[Melanin]

no Katsuyu is only connected by a summoning contract

Wrong!

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again stop pulling stuff out of no where to justify your argument

I’ve already won this argument therefore there isn’t a need to justify it, I brought up Katsuyu to further my point.

it is worse then a straw man's argument because it has not even one form of basis to work with

Lol your only calling it that because it’s the only response you can form because the facts are against you.

You debunked your own CES

I did no such thing, I debunked you claim that Tsunade/Sakura could only enhance there punches and kicks. I proved that to be the opposite with the DB scan, not only can they enhance there punches and kicks but their entire body.

a SEAL doesn't say anything about your byakugou conjecture

Concession accepted.

 

[Reviewing Logic]

Sakura fans are akin to flat earthers. Would swear up and down what they're saying is true, yet can't back it up lol.

Hyūgas that use the gentle fist style, seal chakra points in the human body. The Byakugo is a seal on the forehead of users. Block that chakra point, or the chakra points around it, and the stored chakra is useless. Can't reopen the points - as shown in the Manga - without a Bijuu doing it for you. Wouldn't even need to seal it really. Block the points on her wrist and her strong punches are useless and the same with her feet. Air/wall Palm to keep the things she throws and her away. No scenario were she wins against a vigilant Hyūga, who uses the Gentle Fist taijutsu style. She also can't attack them by surprise, as her go to "sucker punch the enemy, when he/she is not looking will not work on them.

Byakugan/Gentle Fist > Byakugo.

oh yeah I forgot about the surprise attack

the trademark Sakura go to in battle

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I’ve already won this argument therefore there isn’t a need to justify it, I brought up Katsuyu to further my point.



Lol your only calling it that because it’s the only response you can form because the facts are against you.



I did no such thing, I debunked you claim that Tsunade/Sakura could only enhance there punches and kicks. I proved that to be the opposite with the DB scan, not only can they enhance there punches and kicks but their entire body.




Concession accepted.

stop it Rasta

your vomiting things left and right and making me have to constantly bring you back into the same argument... it is now starting to honestly annoy me

Again like I stated the byakugou is used as a source for the needed chakra to summon a larger amount of Katsuyu

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Again like Naruto using the Kyuubi chakra to summon Gumabunta instead of a small frog the same larger amount of stored chakra can summon a closer to 100% Katsuyu

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your DB qoute isn't any better as they didn't say she did CES beyond her hands and feet, rather she can enchance her overall bodily strength by enhancing her hands and feets


you not only cherry picked and deleted the Katsuyu panel you posted but you tossed aside literally what was written explaining the CES bodily thing in the first place

It would seem Tsunade’s “outrageous strength” completely ignores the laws of nature!! The challenge to common sense that is her power is due in no small part to her artful chakra control and fine-tuning. To give things a name, by instantly collecting chakra into her fist and fingers, she obtains a power of destruction bodily strength alone cannot achieve.

literally saying by ---- then the bloody reason ----

followed by --- "she obtains..."

this is basic sentence structuring


Look just stop, having no argument doesn't mean that you have to fear accepting that your post are conjecture

you are literally going from one random point to the next hoping either I don't pay attention to your cherry picked nonsense or that I get annoyed and don't reply back in so that you can pretend you were right and that my "concession was accepted"

concession to what? who knows

your like a flat earther and have no arguments

stop wasting my time, I am done here

 

[Melanin]

stop it Rasta

your vomiting things left and right and making me have to constantly bring you back into the same argument... it is now starting to honestly annoy me

No you stop it and review your logic, every time you challenge one of my points and shoot your counter down you move goal post then try to spin the point you made previously into something you didn’t before. It’s a terrible way to take an L and it’s horrible sportsmenship.

Again like I stated the byakugou is used as a source for the needed chakra to summon a larger amount of Katsuyu

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No that’s not what you said or what I said, stop squirming and take this ass whooping like a man son. You said Katsuyu was only connected to Sakura/Tsunade by summoning contracted after I told you she was connected to Byakugou (an external reserve of chakra).

You didn’t say anything about Katsuyu being a source of anything or a larger amount of Katsuyu blah blah blah... stop making shit up.

your DB qoute isn't any better as they didn't say she did CES beyond her hands and feet, rather she can enchance her overall bodily strength by enhancing her hands and feets

Read it entirely not just want you want the databook say that through “chakra control and fine-tuning” ——>> “she can handle Gamabunta’s huge dosu** with absurd ease”. Tsunade lifted the sword Logic, tlwhen you lift something you aren’t just using your hands or feet your using other parts of your body, Tsunade/Sakura can applify those parts (not just their hands and feet).

you not only cherry picked and deleted the Katsuyu panel you posted but you tossed aside literally what was written explaining the CES bodily thing in the first place

I didn’t cherry pick anything nor did I delete anything. You said Katsuyu was only connected by contact after I said she was also connected to Byakugou (an external source of chakra). I used the Katsuyu reference to support my point that the seal is an external source of chakra or a separate reserve.

I didn’t use Katsuyu to aid help my separate argument in the case for CES, I posted the databook for that. Two didn’t topics..

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Byakugou isn't a chakra point, its a seal.




The chakra inside their is the external force that can reopen them, as it's been stated in the DB: such an enormous amount of chakra, that it is beyond any shinobi to mould it but that's if they get hit.

The seal is built around a chakra point the foundation that is how the seal is even form

 

[Mori Jin]

oh yeah I forgot about the surprise attack

the trademark Sakura go to in battle



stop it Rasta

your vomiting things left and right and making me have to constantly bring you back into the same argument... it is now starting to honestly annoy me

Again like I stated the byakugou is used as a source for the needed chakra to summon a larger amount of Katsuyu

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Again like Naruto using the Kyuubi chakra to summon Gumabunta instead of a small frog the same larger amount of stored chakra can summon a closer to 100% Katsuyu

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your DB qoute isn't any better as they didn't say she did CES beyond her hands and feet, rather she can enchance her overall bodily strength by enhancing her hands and feets


you not only cherry picked and deleted the Katsuyu panel you posted but you tossed aside literally what was written explaining the CES bodily thing in the first place


literally saying by ---- then the bloody reason ----

followed by --- "she obtains..."

this is basic sentence structuring


Look just stop, having no argument doesn't mean that you have to fear accepting that your post are conjecture

you are literally going from one random point to the next hoping either I don't pay attention to your cherry picked nonsense or that I get annoyed and don't reply back in so that you can pretend you were right and that my "concession was accepted"

concession to what? who knows

your like a flat earther and have no arguments

stop wasting my time, I am done here

It's her Ninja Way

 

[unknownvillain1254]

Sakura fans are akin to flat earthers. Would swear up and down what they're saying is true, yet can't back it up lol.

Hyūgas that use the gentle fist style, seal chakra points in the human body. The Byakugo is a seal on the forehead of users. Block that chakra point, or the chakra points around it, and the stored chakra is useless. Can't reopen the points - as shown in the Manga - without a Bijuu doing it for you. Wouldn't even need to seal it really. Block the points on her wrist and her strong punches are useless and the same with her feet. Air/wall Palm to keep the things she throws and her away. No scenario were she wins against a vigilant Hyūga, who uses the Gentle Fist taijutsu style. She also can't attack them by surprise, as her go to "sucker punch the enemy, when he/she is not looking will not work on them.

Byakugan/Gentle Fist > Byakugo.

Where sir that was very elegantly put

 

[unknownvillain1254]

It's her Ninja Way

Ahahahahha that's to funny

 

[MomoSaka]

Yes, it does.

 

[Belserion]

Yes, it does.

Hanabi would one shot your favorite Byakugou user though :bdpf: