-Far more chakra.
-Far superior physical abilities.
-He can handle PS using Bijuu Dama and the Shinju while using Gudo Dama for defense.
-Long Ranged Kamui is useless as Juubito can nullify it.
-Far more chakra.
-Far superior physical abilities.
-He can handle PS using Bijuu Dama and the Shinju while using Gudo Dama for defense.
-Long Ranged Kamui is useless as Juubito can nullify it.
3. How do those moves handle Kamui Susanoo? What is Shinju and GudoDama?
4. How?
The only thing I read from the final battle was 8G Guy and Kakashi getting Obito's eyes for 5 minutes, everything else was trash. So I don't know much at all about Juubito's strength.
3. How do those moves handle Kamui Susanoo? What is Shinju and GudoDama?
4. How?
The only thing I read from the final battle was 8G Guy and Kakashi getting Obito's eyes for 5 minutes, everything else was trash. So I don't know much at all about Juubito's strength.
the roots do. Not so sure about the tree.bijudama's get phased or warped same goes for gudoudama shield . Now if juuobito can bring the stuff back then maybe i'd side with him but as it stands no dms obito gg
the roots do. Not so sure about the tree.bijudama's get phased or warped same goes for gudoudama shield . Now if juuobito can bring the stuff back then maybe i'd side with him but as it stands no dms obito gg
Yeah, but the roots are 80% of the tree anyway and those are what can extend and attack at will. Bijuu Dama being phased doesn't really help because they are to obliterate Susanoo, which they will do as Susanoo itself can't phase. DMS can't warp all 4 Bijuu Dama nor will he warp the tree w/ JJ protecting it.
Long range Kamui already failed on the Gedo Mazo so I doubt it's working against his Gudo Dama, and even if they weren't it wouldn't matter because JJ has 2 counters to Susanoo and once Susanoo is gone DMS doesn't stand a chance of winning nor does he need to block any of his attacks as Kamui can simply be dodged.
Yeah, but the roots are 80% of the tree anyway and those are what can extend and attack at will. Bijuu Dama being phased doesn't really help because they are to obliterate Susanoo, which they will do as Susanoo itself can't phase. DMS can't warp all 4 Bijuu Dama nor will he warp the tree w/ JJ protecting it.
not really it didn't stop naruto's yoton frs. and that was in the middle of the tree.
kakashi already shown that the attributes of kamui can be applied to susanoo. Obito already shown that he can apply it to his techniques. So it most likely can phase through. kamui shuriken hit the bijudama. and since it's a projectile it frees up dms obio to directly engage juubito, preventing him from stopping them from warping the bombs away.
Long range Kamui already failed on the Gedo Mazo so I doubt it's working against his Gudo Dama, and even if they weren't it wouldn't matter because JJ has 2 counters to Susanoo and once Susanoo is gone DMS doesn't stand a chance of winning nor does he need to block any of his attacks as Kamui can simply be dodged.
kakashi already shown that the attributes of kamui can be applied to susanoo. Obito already shown that he can apply it to his techniques. So it most likely can phase through. kamui shuriken hit the bijudama. and since it's a projectile it frees up dms obio to directly engage juubito, preventing him from stopping them from warping the bombs away.
No, he showed that he can make Shuriken w/ Kamui's abilities. Nothing more, nothing less. Nothing you are saying here either changes the fact that DMS can't get all 4 Bijuu Dama with his Shuriken. All 4 BD fire in directions opposite to each other. He can't throw his Shuriken and hit all 4. Then we have the fact that any type of projectile from Obito, who already knows Sashiki no Jutsu, will easily and effortlessly counter Kamui Shuriken.
kamui already opened up gudoudama, and ripped gedo mazo's head off. Juubito isn't fast enough to stop a dms snipe, assuming he still has that ability.
further proving my point. the trunk is towards the bottom of the tree, yet it wasn't absorbed. Therefore as ive said before only the roots carry the absorbing properties.
No, he showed that he can make Shuriken w/ Kamui's abilities. Nothing more, nothing less.
kamui raikiri is kamui applied to preexisting ninjutsu
wild dance is kamui applied preexisting ninjutsu
obito already applied kamui to the war fan, and to his giant shuriken.
kamui shuriken is kamui applied to susanno's weapons.
So if youre looking at susanoo as a jutsu then based on the above kamui can be applied to it like it was applied to the 3 things listed
If youre looking at it as a tool then again kamui still gets applied to it like was applied to the war fan. either way we already saw sasuke do it with ama so its well within reason and ability for obito to do the same since by op's logic he gains kakashi's dms abilities as well as his own.
Nothing you are saying here either changes the fact that DMS can't get all 4 Bijuu Dama with his Shuriken. All 4 BD fire in directions opposite to each other. He can't throw his Shuriken and hit all 4.
im pretty sure i covered that dms obito will engage with juubito to prevent him from doing so, and to top it off he has to protect himself from the bijudama, via the gudo dama so no, chances are he won't even have the time to do so.
The first sentence is irrelevant. The second sentence is based on literally nothing.
further proving my point. the trunk is towards the bottom of the tree, yet it wasn't absorbed. Therefore as ive said before only the roots carry the absorbing properties.
I highly suggest you read what has been typed. Yoton FRS did not get absorbed because the trunk does not absorb Ninjutsu. Did I ever say that the trunk absorbed ninjutsu? No. :lol I said that the majority of the tree is made of the roots so the trunk being unable to absorb jutsu is irrelevant. What are you even arguing against? Smh.
kamui raikiri is kamui applied to preexisting ninjutsu
wild dance is kamui applied preexisting ninjutsu
obito already applied kamui to the war fan, and to his giant shuriken.
kamui shuriken is kamui applied to susanno's weapons.
Obito never "applied" Kamui to his fan or his giant Shuriken. They phased through because he was in contact with them. Irrelevant to him making actual Ninjutsu slip through objects. When Kakashi applies Kamui to Raikiri or Shuriken they obtain warping properties. Not intangibility properties.
So if youre looking at susanoo as a jutsu then based on the above kamui can be applied to it like it was applied to the 3 things listed
If youre looking at it as a tool then again kamui still gets applied to it like was applied to the war fan. either way we already saw sasuke do it with ama so its well within reason and ability for obito to do the same since by op's logic he gains kakashi's dms abilities as well as his own.
Stop making these nonsense excuses. What was shown is that Kamui can be fused w/ Raikiri and with Shuriken allowing them to WARP what they hit. Has literally nothing to do with other jutsu being capable of phasing through objects. Then we have the fact that Kaguya's bones raped Kakashi's Susanoo and he was forced to slip through and use Raikiri instead.
Lmao this guy is really over here trying to rewrite the Manga all for the sake of wanking a jutsu that has been wanked since the day it was named. Your incorrect interpretation of what is possible doesn't matter when we've been shown what is possible, and intangible Susanoo is fanfic BS nonsense.
lol what? youre joking right? he can't throw shuriken if 4 different directions?
Don't be daft. He can't throw 4 Shuriken in the 4 specific directions that the BD are heading in and expect to hit all 4. Not like this matters anyway as I've already addressed Kamui Shuriken.
im pretty sure i covered that dms obito will engage with juubito to prevent him from doing so, and to top it off he has to protect himself from the bijudama, via the gudo dama so no, chances are he won't even have the time to do so.
Engaging him doesn't stop him from using Bijuu Dama. He calls the tree and then it charges regardless of whether or not he does anything in a physical sense. So unless you are going to argue that DMS is so fast he'll engage Juubito before he can call the tree this argument doesn't matter.
And no, he only needs to protect himself at the last moment. Also has no bearing on this argument.
kaguya failed to notice kamui twice. Obito won't fare any better.
Not sure why you keep using shit logic expecting to get anywhere but Kamui was never used on Kaguya herself nor can she stop it even if she did notice it.
I highly suggest you read what has been typed. Yoton FRS did not get absorbed because the trunk does not absorb Ninjutsu. Did I ever say that the trunk absorbed ninjutsu? No. :lol I said that the majority of the tree is made of the roots so the trunk being unable to absorb jutsu is irrelevant. What are you even arguing against? Smh.
its a chakra shuriken. it being ninjutsu doesn't change that principal. V1 cloak is classified as ninjutsu and still got absorbed. And if it cant absorb ninjutsu then it isnt absorbing any of dms obito's attacks which makes it a useless defense.
Obito never "applied" Kamui to his fan or his giant Shuriken. They phased through because he was in contact with them. Irrelevant to him making actual Ninjutsu slip through objects. When Kakashi applies Kamui to Raikiri or Shuriken they obtain warping properties. Not intangibility properties.Stop making these nonsense excuses. What was shown is that Kamui can be fused w/ Raikiri and with Shuriken allowing them to WARP what they hit. Has literally nothing to do with other jutsu being capable of phasing through objects. Then we have the fact that Kaguya's bones raped Kakashi's Susanoo and he was forced to slip through and use Raikiri instead.
Lmao this guy is really over here trying to rewrite the Manga all for the sake of wanking a jutsu that has been wanked since the day it was named. Your incorrect interpretation of what is possible doesn't matter when we've been shown what is possible, and intangible Susanoo is fanfic BS nonsense.
are you saying he isn't in contact with his susanoo?
The properties they obtain all fall under kamui. Its all 1 jutsu. you're here trying to say, he can apply kamui but can't apply kamui. Doesn't work like that. Fact remains he and kakashi applied kamui's properties on their tools and ninjutsu. Susanu being a ninjutsu is no different.
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Don't be daft. He can't throw 4 Shuriken in the 4 specific directions that the BD are heading in and expect to hit all 4. Not like this matters anyway as I've already addressed Kamui Shuriken.
dont be a dumbass. it's a shuriken. there's nothing stopping obito from throwing them in 4 directions.
Engaging him doesn't stop him from using Bijuu Dama. He calls the tree and then it charges regardless of whether or not he does anything in a physical sense. So unless you are going to argue that DMS is so fast he'll engage Juubito before he can call the tree this argument doesn't matter.
a defence which can easily be opened up with kamui leaving him to get damaged while the dms obito simply phases
Not sure why you keep using shit logic expecting to get anywhere but Kamui was never used on Kaguya herself nor can she stop it even if she did notice it.
it not being used on kagua doesn't change her failure to notice or even anticipate it. It was executed so quickly that she on multiple cases was completely oblivious.
its a chakra shuriken. it being ninjutsu doesn't change that principal. V1 cloak is classified as ninjutsu and still got absorbed. And if it cant absorb ninjutsu then it isnt absorbing any of dms obito's attacks which makes it a useless defense.
Lmao you really are stupid. Let's take this from the top since reading on your own is clearly too hard for you to do on your own. I said the Shinju can absorb Susanoo. Did I say that the Shinju's trunk can absorb Ninjutsu? No. What are you even talking about with the bold? Who in the hell ever said that the trunk will absorb his Ninjutsu? Who in the hell ever mentioned anything about the jutsu's properties. Smh. Stop arguing against imaginary points it makes you look foolish.
are you saying he isn't in contact with his susanoo?
The properties they obtain all fall under kamui. Its all 1 jutsu. you're here trying to say, he can apply kamui but can't apply kamui. Doesn't work like that. Fact remains he and kakashi applied kamui's properties on their tools and ninjutsu. Susanu being a ninjutsu is no different.
Like I said, I'm not interested in your fanboyism fueled assessments. We saw what happened when Susanoo attacked Kaguya and it got wrecked while Kakashi himself had to phase through the attack on his own. Point blank period. Stop making stupid excuses. That on top of the fact that your logic, as usual, is utter horseshit.
Obito as the Jin can use Kamui but he can't use the intangibility property. What was shown is that one can apply the warping property of Kamui but not the intangibility property. Again, stop making stupid excuses.
dont be a dumbass. it's a shuriken. there's nothing stopping obito from throwing them in 4 directions.
No, how about you stop being a dumbass? Re-read that paragraph and actually address what I stated instead of repeating yourself expecting me to give you a different response.
i never said it did -_- engaging him stops him from intercepting the kamui shuriken
a defence which can easily be opened up with kamui leaving him to get damaged while the dms obito simply phases
No it doesn't. That doesn't even begin to make sense. The only way engaging him would prevent him from intercepting the Shuriken is if he can keep Juubito busy while he throws the Shuriken, but he can't do both obviously as he's just one man in one Susanoo. Either he fights Obito and keeps him busy or he throws the Shuriken. Then Obito uses Mokuton Sashiki to intercept them.
Last bit is irrelevant.
-Obito can canonically stop Kamui.
-If the BD is fired w/o the barrier it'll hit Susanoo and blow it so far away that he won't need a shield to protect himself.
-If Obito waits till the last minute to protect himself this whole strategy is useless.
It not being used on kagua doesn't change her failure to notice or even anticipate it. It was executed so quickly that she on multiple cases was completely oblivious.
No, it actually does. It not being used on her makes it harder for her to notice it. The bold is of course something you made up. Nothing in this Manga has ever shown anything proving the bold. It's a conclusion you came to based on the fact that Kaguya didn't stop or interfere with Kamui even though we both know she can't interfere regardless of seeing it coming or not.
What's also funny is that you are actually sitting here trying to argue that double Kamui is so fast that the fastest character in the Manga can't anticipate or notice it yet Kakashi noticed it when Obito used it to save him from the ash bone. Yet Madara's Gudo Dama was fast enough to travel across 10m and almost hit Kakashi before Dual Kamui could send him to the other dimension.
This right here is a new level of stupidity from you so I can only hope that this is some sort of troll.
Lmao you really are stupid. Let's take this from the top since reading on your own is clearly too hard for you to do on your own. I said the Shinju can absorb Susanoo. Did I say that the Shinju's trunk can absorb Ninjutsu? No. What are you even talking about with the bold? Who in the hell ever said that the trunk will absorb his Ninjutsu? Who in the hell ever mentioned anything about the jutsu's properties. Smh. Stop arguing against imaginary points it makes you look foolish.
I did not know you were referring to only susanoo. That statement in no way makes that clear. BE THAT AS IT MAY, dms obito has multiple ranged techniques to deal with it.
Like I said, I'm not interested in your fanboyism fueled assessments. We saw what happened when Susanoo attacked Kaguya and it got wrecked while Kakashi himself had to phase through the attack on his own. Point blank period. Stop making stupid excuses. That on top of the fact that your logic, as usual, is utter horseshit.
That is in no way proof that susanoo cant phase. -_-
Obito as the Jin can use Kamui but he can't use the intangibility property. What was shown is that one can apply the warping property of Kamui but not the intangibility property. Again, stop making stupid excuses.
juubito never shown any form of kamui so by your backwards ass logic above, i can easily say he lost the ability completely because he had to use gudoudama shield instead of just teleporting out side the damn barrier.
No, how about you stop being a dumbass? Re-read that paragraph and actually address what I stated instead of repeating yourself expecting me to give you a different response.
The paragraph is a load of crap. There literally nothing stopping him from throwing them in "4 specific directions". NOTHING. don't be fucking idiot. Throwing shuriken in "4 specific directions" isnt hard.
No it doesn't. That doesn't even begin to make sense. The only way engaging him would prevent him from intercepting the Shuriken is if he can keep Juubito busy while he throws the Shuriken, but he can't do both obviously as he's just one man in one Susanoo. Either he fights Obito and keeps him busy or he throws the Shuriken. Then Obito uses Mokuton Sashiki to intercept them.
or he simply does it immediately after, or he(not the susanno since that's something you can't comprehend) uses any of his ranged techniques, fireball jutsu, giant shuriken, or the same damn wood release techs you said juubito would use to intercept the kamui shuriken, while throwing the shuriken. It's not hard.
Last bit is irrelevant.
-Obito can canonically stop Kamui.
-If the BD is fired w/o the barrier it'll hit Susanoo and blow it so far away that he won't need a shield to protect himself.
-If Obito waits till the last minute to protect himself this whole strategy is useless.
-obito only stopped it when he count react/anticipate it, kakashi did it fast enough on multiple occasions that obito couldn't stop it, or -even comprehend what he did.
-If fired without the barrier he simply escapes its range.
-even if he waits the moment he puts it up it gets popped back open, kamui is faster than it.
No, it actually does. It not being used on her makes it harder for her to notice it. The bold is of course something you made up. Nothing in this Manga has ever shown anything proving the bold. It's a conclusion you came to based on the fact that Kaguya didn't stop or interfere with Kamui even though we both know she can't interfere regardless of seeing it coming or not.
It really doesn't. she has byakugan and is a sensor, yet when obito used it after she created her portal to escape naruto, she was unaware, and thought the real naruto came in after her.
What's also funny is that you are actually sitting here trying to argue that double Kamui is so fast that the fastest character in the Manga can't anticipate or notice it yet Kakashi noticed it when Obito used it to save him from the ash bone. Yet Madara's Gudo Dama was fast enough to travel across 10m and almost hit Kakashi before Dual Kamui could send him to the other dimension.
Stop it. It's pathetic now. You don't bring up old scans in light of new ones.
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unless youre saying naruto is slower than those orbs don't come with that garbage again
Lmao you Kamui wankers really need to pull your heads out of your asses. This right here is a new level of stupidity from you so I can only hope that this is some sort of troll.
If were gonna go back then lets go back to what you actually said:
I did not know you were referring to only susanoo. That statement in no way makes that clear. BE THAT AS IT MAY, dms obito has multiple ranged techniques to deal with it.
That's why you should actually read before you reply. That statement is a direct response to the question of how Shinju counters Susanoo.
That is in no way proof that susanoo cant phase. -_-
juubito never shown any form of kamui so by your backwards ass logic above, i can easily say he lost the ability completely because he had to use gudoudama shield instead of just teleporting out side the damn barrier.
Juubito was never put in a position where his other version of Kamui failed. Stop using shitty ass logic. It doesn't take a genius to see which responses are stupid and which aren't. Gudo Dama shield or teleportation doesn't do anything to change his results. Kakashi's Susanoo went up against an attack and it was destroyed while he himself phased through it. If Susanoo could phase then he would've phased through that entire attack instead of letting his Susanoo be wrecked. :lol Especially since that's how Kamui works. When it's active the user phases through techniques. It was active, Susanoo was destroyed. Do the fucking math.
-You have no feats.
-Your logic for why Susanoo can phase is trash.
-Kakashi's Susanoo canonically failed to phase.
What points do you think you have? Because to anyone with a brain you have none whatsoever and are just arguing this point because you love the jutsu so much instead of just arguing because you have real evidence. Hilarious seeing this guy talk about "this is not proof that Susanoo can't phase". Lmao please for the love of God shut your dumbass up. There is no proof or convincing evidence in the first place that lets Susanoo phase.
The paragraph is a load of crap. There literally nothing stopping him from throwing them in "4 specific directions". NOTHING. don't be fucking idiot. Throwing shuriken in "4 specific directions" isnt hard.
Go re-read that paragraph again and again until you grasp the real inhibiting factor you moronic twit. Hilarious this clown of ALL PEOPLE ON THIS SITE telling me not to be an idiot when reading in what seems to be a language he clearly understands well enough to communicate in is too much of a thing for me to ask of him.
or he simply does it immediately after, or he(not the susanno since that's something you can't comprehend) uses any of his ranged techniques, fireball jutsu, giant shuriken, or the same damn wood release techs you said juubito would use to intercept the kamui shuriken, while throwing the shuriken. It's not hard.
To prevent Juubito from intercepting the Shuriken he'll have to actually apply pressure not throw out any old jutsu like you are saying. lol) The goddamn Fireball jutsu is not applying pressure to the Jin. It can't even hurt him as he's too durable. That and he can easily evade ranged attacks
Lmao. This man really said fireball jutsu is going to apply pressure to the Jinchuuriki of the strongest Bijuu. This:
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Pressuring this guy:
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This man really said GIANT FUCKING SHURIKEN ARE GOING TO PRESSURE THE JUUBI FUCKING JINCHUURIKI. I AM BEYOND DECEASED.
-obito only stopped it when he count react/anticipate it, kakashi did it fast enough on multiple occasions that obito couldn't stop it, or -even comprehend what he did.
-If fired without the barrier he simply escapes its range.
-even if he waits the moment he puts it up it gets popped back open, kamui is faster than it.
-Irrelevant in this scenario as Juubito being unable to anticipate it or react is based on nothing but this terrible logic you are trying to push.
-Stop pulling shit out of your ass please. Obito's Susanoo does not have the speed feats to escape the range of a Bijuu Dama.
-What are you talking about? If he waits till the very last moment DMS won't be able to target him w/ Kamui due to the initial stages of the blast. Then we have the fact that he can simply take cover behind the tree right before it goes off and cover up.
It really doesn't. she has byakugan and is a sensor, yet when obito used it after she created her portal to escape naruto, she was unaware, and thought the real naruto came in after her.
I will ask this again. Are you stupid? Cause that's really all you are proving with these posts. That and the fact that you either don't read the Manga or you purposely misconstrue it's events thinking that I didn't also read the same Manga. :lol
She thought the original Naruto came in after her because of the rationale that his clones didn't have enough chakra to last. Nothing to do with Kamui.
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On top of that BZ clearly says that more than one got inside, but the other 2 must've ran out of power and vanished. Hint hint: Other 2 refers to Sakura and Obito. Then we have the fact that Obito acknowledged already that she'd most likely sense them when they tried to enter.
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The only reason they even entered successively is because Naruto was there drawing her attention combined with the fact that they are fodder in comparison to her.
Just read the fucking Manga man. :lol It'd save me a lot of time.
Stop it. It's pathetic now. You don't bring up old scans in light of new ones.
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unless youre saying naruto is slower than those orbs don't come with that garbage again
There are no old scans or new scans when it comes to this scenario. These are all from the same jutsu during the same exact time period. Nothing in that scan shows that Kaguya failed to notice Kamui meanwhile I have scans of slower characters doing more than noticing the jutsu. Naruto being slower than the orb is irrelevant because Naruto wasn't moving top speed. If you'd take your head out of your ass for one second you'd realize that Sasuke and Naruto were moving through the air at the same speed, yet Naruto is far faster. :lol Meaning Naruto wasn't moving at top speed nor was the speed he was moving at faster than the orbs. If all you can do is blatantly ignore evidence presented by the opposition and twist Manga scans into your favor do yourself a favor and just stop replying.
lol) The goddamn Fireball jutsu is not applying pressure to the Jin. It can't even hurt him as he's too durable. That and he can easily evade ranged attacks
This man really said GIANT FUCKING SHURIKEN ARE GOING TO PRESSURE THE JUUBI FUCKING JINCHUURIKI. I AM BEYOND DECEASED.
