DMS Obito vs alive Madara

[KamuiGodObito]

Alive madara with rinnegan
Intent:to kill

 

[Demonic.]

Madara wins everytime.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito low difficulty.

 

[Blunt]

Madara stomps terribly..

 

[Bronze]

Madara with negative diff.

 

[VongolaX]

DMS Obito has rikudou chakra, so limbo isn't working at all if he can still sense it.

Goes either way, leaning towards Obito

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara shits on him.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Someone please explain how Madara is winning this?

 

[ARGUS]

Madara wins this,

--He has the SM enhanced reflexes to react to Kamui, and can create Limbo clones (which Obito cant damage or decipher) as well as Mokuton clones to disrupt obitos kamui based moveset and attack him the moment he manifests physically to attack

--He does all of this and sets up Flower Tree World, which can bypass the 5 minute limit of Kamui, and thus allow Madara to win

 

[TRE MERCER]

Madara wins this,

--He has the SM enhanced reflexes to react to Kamui, and can create Limbo clones (which Obito cant damage or decipher) as well as Mokuton clones to disrupt obitos kamui based moveset and attack him the moment he manifests physically to attack

--He does all of this and sets up Flower Tree World, which can bypass the 5 minute limit of Kamui, and thus allow Madara to win

He isn't reacting to Kamui with double the speed. Alive Madara can only make 1 Limbo and with that limbo he'll have to use that to try and delay his defeat. Once Obito kamui's limbo he off it's over for Madara.

 

[ARGUS]

He isn't reacting to Kamui with double the speed. Alive Madara can only make 1 Limbo and with that limbo he'll have to use that to try and delay his defeat. Once Obito kamui's limbo he off it's over for Madara.

--He can sennse the chakra built up for the long rang kamui and can use his limbo clone to attack obito through rinbo hengoku or he can send his mokuton clones to attack him the moment he solidifies to attack

--He reacted to an FTG attack, whichh is still faster than Kamui,

--Thats why mokuton clones are also there to attack obito with, and with the real madara being away and setting up flower tree world, which bypasses obitos kamui limits, Madara would win

 

[TRE MERCER]

--He can sennse the chakra built up for the long rang kamui and can use his limbo clone to attack obito through rinbo hengoku or he can send his mokuton clones to attack him the moment he solidifies to attack

--He reacted to an FTG attack, whichh is still faster than Kamui,

--Thats why mokuton clones are also there to attack obito with, and with the real madara being away and setting up flower tree world, which bypasses obitos kamui limits, Madara would win

There will be chakra build up for both sides. But unlike Limbo Kamui doesn't travel it spawns. He sniped before he can weave hand signs. He reacted to Tobirama's striking speed which isn't on Kamui's level. To dodge Kamui you'll need foot speed which is something Madara lacks. He's sniped before sm clones enter the battlefield.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

He isn't reacting to Kamui with double the speed. Alive Madara can only make 1 Limbo and with that limbo he'll have to use that to try and delay his defeat. Once Obito kamui's limbo he off it's over for Madara.

The hell? A 6th Gated Lee is just as fast as double Kamui, Madara reacts to it with the uttermost of ease. Obito cannot sense or see the Limbo clones, he gets destroyed by it. Limbo clones don't die, you can only stop them by holding them down. Mokuton clones are a completely viable counter, since Obito won't be able to afford using Kamui on a clone, he will avoid doing it.

 

[TRE MERCER]

The hell? A 6th Gated Lee is just as fast as double Kamui, Madara reacts to it with the uttermost of ease. Obito cannot sense or see the Limbo clones, he gets destroyed by it. Limbo clones don't die, you can only stop them by holding them down.

Stop with that logic just because 2 speeds dodged the same thing means. Nothing. If KM Minato couldn't dodge a Tobirama blitz but BM can and 6Gate does that mean BM and 6Gates are equal in speed? No. Obito manged to warp inside of Kaguya dimension portal from this distance.(

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[Killua Zoldyck]

Stop with that logic just because 2 speeds dodged the same thing means. Nothing. If KM Minato couldn't dodge a Tobirama blitz but BM can and 6Gate does that mean BM and 6Gates are equal in speed? No. Obito manged to warp inside of Kaguya dimension portal from this distance.(

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Obito

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managed to get out of the way, just like Lee

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managed to escape. If they escape from the same object with the same amount of difficulty, then they are the same. Madara is not only faster then Lee, and has better reflexes then Lee, but he also be aware that its coming before he it even activates, dodging it will be a piece of cake.

Difference is that Obito merely has to look there and the speed activates while Lee has to travel that distance. The more accurate way is to use defensive speed.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Obito

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managed to get out of the way, just like Lee

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managed to escape. If they escape from the same object with the same amount of difficulty, then they are the same. Madara is not only faster then Lee, and has better reflexes then Lee, but he also be aware that its coming before he it even activates, dodging it will be a piece of cake.

Difference is that Obito merely has to look there and the speed activates while Lee has to travel that distance. The more accurate way is to use defensive speed.

Barely no Obito was gone before the tsb be hit. @RED- My point exactly your dismissed baby girl.

 

[ARGUS]

There will be chakra build up for both sides. But unlike Limbo Kamui doesn't travel it spawns. He sniped before he can weave hand signs. He reacted to Tobirama's striking speed which isn't on Kamui's level. To dodge Kamui you'll need foot speed which is something Madara lacks. He's sniped before sm clones enter the battlefield.

Wrong, Limbo clones are from an invisible world, and top of the fact that obito is not locating the clone, nor can he see the clone attack him, and the fact that even BSM naruto and 8 other bijuu failed to notice it,
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and seeing how Obito here lacks the RSM or the Rinnegan, means that he is NOT sensing madaras attacks

Madara on the other hand can sense the long range kamui chakra built up well in time and can evade it,
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, Kamui is being dodged and with Madaras impressive reflexes this is done so quite handily, as Madara then sends he limbo clone, and mokuton clones alongside flower tree world to finish obito off

 

[TRE MERCER]

Wrong, Limbo clones are from an invisible world, and top of the fact that obito is not locating the clone, nor can he see the clone attack him, and the fact that even BSM naruto and 8 other bijuu failed to notice it,
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and seeing how Obito here lacks the RSM or the Rinnegan, means that he is NOT sensing madaras attacks

Madara on the other hand can sense the long range kamui chakra built up well in time and can evade it,
seeing how

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, Kamui is being dodged and with Madaras impressive reflexes this is done so quite handily, as Madara then sends he limbo clone, and mokuton clones alongside flower tree world to finish obito off

You repeated yourself Kiffy. As i've said above alive Madara only has one Limbo until proven otherwise. Kamui is to fast for Madara so he'll have to use Limbo as a decoy to block him from getting sniped off rip. Also Kamui Obito does have Hagoromo chakra confirmed by Kakashi in the recent chapter. Not to mention Madara takes any damage the limbo receive's confirmed by Sasuke.(

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). Mokuton flower tree is turn into ash by Juubi size Katon.

 

[Killua Zoldyck]

Barely no Obito was gone before the tsb be hit. @RED- My point exactly your dismissed baby girl.

Lee was also gone before the Goudodama hit, however in both cases, they almost got hit.

Double Kamui has the same speed as a 6th Gated Lee, in other words, the time it takes to aim and fire off the Kamui is of the same speed as Lee from Shunshin distance, of a far distance would require Lee to travel more distance while Kamui's speed will stay at 6th Gated Lee's close quarters Shunshin speed. Point is, if one can dodge 6th Gated Lee from any distance then they sure as hell can dodge double Kamui.

You repeated yourself Kiffy. As i've said above alive Madara only has one Limbo until proven otherwise. Kamui is to fast for Madara so he'll have to use Limbo as a decoy to block him from getting sniped off rip. Also Kamui Obito does have Hagoromo chakra confirmed by Kakashi in the recent chapter. Not to mention Madara takes any damage the limbo receive's confirmed by Sasuke.(

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The flaw in your argument lies in the fact that you actually believe Madara cannot dodge Kamui, which is utterly false.

Furthermore, Sasuke never said anything about Madara receiving the damage that his own Limbo clones receive, and Katon enhances the Mokuton flower tree potency, that's why Madara used it. Obito doing that would be Obito digging his own grave.

 

[ARGUS]

You repeated yourself Kiffy. As i've said above alive Madara only has one Limbo until proven otherwise. Kamui is to fast for Madara so he'll have to use Limbo as a decoy to block him from getting sniped off rip.

And i would repeat myself again,
Madara can sense the kamui built up well before its executed and can use Rinbo hengoku which will easily land on Obito and attack him thus intercepting his move, he doesnt need to just evade it, when RH is fast enough to counterattack since it will be executed in time,
and how is Kamui too fast for Madara??
i would say it again, Madara reacted and EVADED an FTG attack which is stilll faster than Kamui wheter you like it or not, therefore he is still evading kamui and coutner attacking obito,

Also Kamui Obito does have Hagoromo chakra confirmed by Kakashi in the recent chapter.

irrelevant since Obito stil does NOT have Rikudo Senjutsu to be able to percieve or sense Limbo, nor does he have the RInnegan here to be able to see it,

Not to mention, Madara takes any damage the limbo receive's confirmed by Sasuke.(

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madara only takes damage if his shadow overlaps with his real self

Mokuton flower tree is turn into ash by Juubi size Katon.

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fire would spread the pollen and thus affect obito even more,