DMS Obito is extremely overrated

[griffnat13]

DMS Obito is only limited to his reflexes, which only very few people can effectively outmatch him in. I won't say that he can beat every character like Necro did, but I do think he has the potential to beat every character shown by himself, and I include the Sage and Kaguya in that statement. Whether he can or not only depends in his reflexes IMO.

Oh and OP... Arguments doesn't seem to be your strong point Lol

Lol I'm just not feeling it with the idiot guy. I made peace with saywhat because we are the mature ones, but this website starwars guy's life so he's still up there trying his hardest.

 

[Kαmi]

Lol I'm just not feeling it with the idiot guy. I made peace with saywhat because we are the mature ones, but this website starwars guy's life so he's still up there trying his hardest.

I mean... You can call him an idiot if you want but he's an idiot that did a lot better at arguing than you did Lol Even from the start you didn't bother trying to back up your claims. And him liking star wars is pretty irrelevant to what you guys were debating before so I don't really understand why you're bring that up..

 

[griffnat13]

I mean... You can call him an idiot if you want but he's an idiot that did a lot better at arguing than you did Lol Even from the start you didn't bother trying to back up your claims. And him liking star wars is pretty irrelevant to what you guys were debating before so I don't really understand why you're bring that up..

Like I said, I wasn't interested in arguing in the first place. What I stated was true, anyone's stamina couldn't hold up. It wasn't a bash.

 

[Blunt]

And look at them flee like mice when asked for proof of feats. I guess my expectations for most members are too high.

Eh, whatever, I give in.

The mere fact that Obito cannot percieve Limbo means he dies near instantly, Obito has to send his body parts to the Kamui dimension through thought, if he doesn't see a threat, he won't.

That's literally as simple as it gets, DMS Obito may have Rikudo's chakra, but he doesn't have the Rinnegan to see them.

Limbo literally one shots.

 

[Kαmi]

Like I said, I wasn't interested in arguing in the first place. What I stated was true, anyone's stamina couldn't hold up. It wasn't a bash.

I can see we're back at square 1 with the stamina thing but I'm pretty sure that was addressed already. And I'm not interested in arguing either, I just wanted to drop in my two cents.

Eh, whatever, I give in.

The mere fact that Obito cannot percieve Limbo means he dies near instantly, Obito has to send his body parts to the Kamui dimension through thought, if he doesn't see a threat, he won't.

That's literally as simple as it gets, DMS Obito may have Rikudo's chakra, but he doesn't have the Rinnegan to see them.

Limbo literally one shots.

See, I did forget about Limbo. I don't know how Obito would counter Limbo but I imagine staying intangible himself and Kamui snipe may be a viable counter? I'm not saying it's that easy, cause it's definitely not. But then again, that's assuming Obito has intel on Limbo and knows he can't perceive it.

 

[Demonic.]

Eh, whatever, I give in.

The mere fact that Obito cannot percieve Limbo means he dies near instantly, Obito has to send his body parts to the Kamui dimension through thought, if he doesn't see a threat, he won't.

That's literally as simple as it gets, DMS Obito may have Rikudo's chakra, but he doesn't have the Rinnegan to see them.

Limbo literally one shots.

Kamui is haxed, but limbo is even more haxed

 

[Zawerni]

I don't see how you can judge what Obito would be able to do with both eyes considering we haven't seen him in actual combat using them. The Kaguya fight doesn't define his ability with both eyes. He was already weakened and on the verge of death from having the Tailed Beast chakra ripped out of him then using Rinne Tensei.

Put him in a better state and an actual fight and he could do fairly well. I don't see blindness or stamina being an issue for him. He's been spamming Kamui for much longer than Kakashi and hasn't shown any signs of issue. Of course he would eventually go blind since his eyes aren't eternal, but Hashi cells have apparently slowed down the blinding process.

Matching him up to someone like Juubi Jinchuriki Madara isn't exactly a fair fight though.

 

[Ganta]

he has hashis cell, hes good

 

[Seventh Sama]

He kinda is overrated.

 

[Blunt]

I can see we're back at square 1 with the stamina thing but I'm pretty sure that was addressed already. And I'm not interested in arguing either, I just wanted to drop in my two cents.


See, I did forget about Limbo. I don't know how Obito would counter Limbo but I imagine staying intangible himself and Kamui snipe may be a viable counter? I'm not saying it's that easy, cause it's definitely not. But then again, that's assuming Obito has intel on Limbo and knows he can't perceive it.

To me, if you don't have a Rinnegan or Rikudo's Senjutsu there is no proper way of combating Limbo, it's ridiculously fast seeing as it near simultaneously knocked down all the Biju effortlessly (That was just a single Limbo Clone, with dual Rinnegan, you can use 5), you cannot physically harm it without the Rikudo chakra either.

If SM Double Rinnegan Madara was shown, I'd put him above his Single Rinnegan Juubi Jinchuriki incarnation, seeing as without the two eyes, he doesn't have access to his Six Paths techniques and PS. Where as DR Madara would have the power of the Double Rinnegan and a PS with SM+Rikudo's chakra amping it up. DR Madara may have less of Rikudo's chakra than his Juubi Jin self, but he still has it nonetheless.

The full power of the Dual Rinnegan in the hands of it's original owner is far greater than people think, there is a reason it was said to make the user invincible and Kishimoto never showed it when Shinju Madara finally obtained it. Before he couldn't use his full power, as soon as he gained his Second Rinnegan he was nigh invincible. (Calling 15 or so island sized meteors "raindrops" is just ridiculous) He probably would have defeated Naruto and Sasuke going by portrayal.

 

[RedShadow]

Lets just stop arguing for a moment.

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[synkross]

DMS Obito possesses Hashirama DNA and Rikudu Chakra so, his eyesight isn't going anywhere, he's been spamming Kamui all his life.
DMS Obito is broken strong, on paper there is no counter to his abilities.

as for counters, you can claim about intelligence and strategy all day but it won't get you anywhere, intelligence is a plot demand skill and can't be measured on paper.

also even if Obito decides to go suicide mode, you still can't escape Kamui, this was shown when Obito absorbed Torune who possesed a leathal ability.

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plus DMS Obito is not restricted by contact, he can range snipe with double speed,....goodluck with that.

 

[RedShadow]

DMS Obito possesses Hashirama DNA and Rikudu Chakra so, his eyesight isn't going anywhere, he's been spamming Kamui all his life.
DMS Obito is broken strong, on paper there is no counter to his abilities.

as for counters, you can claim about intelligence and strategy all day but it won't get you anywhere, intelligence is a plot demand skill and can't be measured on paper.

Summary :
*Senju DNA OP
*Smarts is nothing in Anime.

 

[Milliana]

I don't feel the overestimation.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Kakakshi' s Kamui spam thanks to Kyuubi chakra, Kyuubi cloak recharge of his chakra
Obito's Kamui spam thanks to Hashirama's DNA building up half of his body.

DMS Obito with no ehnacements would be below EMS users for sure, but due to hax would be above each MS user, but the gap would be not such great.

Just give Senjuu DNA to MS Itachi, MS Sasuke, MS Madara, MS Izuna, MS Shisui and see how he fares against DMS Obito with Senjuu DNA

Just give Rikudou chakra at top of Senjuu DNA to MS Itachi, MS Sasuke, MS Madara, MS Izuna, MS Shisui and see how he fares against DMS Obito with Senjuu DNA and Rikudou chakra.

See, comparing character with enhancements to character with no enhacements is no fair.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Kakakshi' s Kamui spam thanks to Kyuubi chakra, Kyuubi cloak recharge of his chakra
Obito's Kamui spam thanks to Hashirama's DNA building up half of his body.

DMS Obito with no ehnacements would be below EMS users for sure, but due to hax would be above each MS user, but the gap would be not such great.

Just give Senjuu DNA to MS Itachi, MS Sasuke, MS Madara, MS Izuna, MS Shisui and see how he fares against DMS Obito with Senjuu DNA

Just give Rikudou chakra at top of Senjuu DNA to MS Itachi, MS Sasuke, MS Madara, MS Izuna, MS Shisui and see how he fares against DMS Obito with Senjuu DNA and Rikudou chakra.

See, comparing character with enhancements to character with no enhacements is no fair.

Nobody cares about "Borrowed Power" whatever you call it. Ninja's dont play fair.

 

[VongolaX]

The power of kamui does seem overrated, but it is actually that powerful when you can spam it too your leasure.(Senju DNA)

But I believe that it's his other abilities that make him truly terrifying.

 

[madvictory]

The abilities that Kakashi was using when he had DMS were actually Obito's, whom would do even better against his enemies with those powers because of Senju DNA - yes, he is underrated.

 

[Orochimagus]

Lol, even Black Zetsu can solo Madara.

 

[UzumakiAlex]

Stfu Obito Uchiha rapes sasuke by far dude.