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Obito can use kamui but he can't phase that's the problem. why would Madara be able to use abilities, Obito can't even use when said abilities orginate from Obito?
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Because Madara is incredibly more talented. He absorbed perfect Sage Mode and mastered it literally instantaneously. He somehow knew how to cancel Edo Tensei from the caster. And yes, he warped with Kamui even though Obito previously couldn't.
The distinction about phasing/warping for Juubito doesn't make sense to me, because there were multiple scenarios where warping still would have been incredibly beneficial to Obito (and he still didn't use it).
I think it's just a stupid asspull for the sake of the story. Madara could use Kamui as a Juubi Jin because he was simply more talented and understood what needed to be done.
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There are multiple scenarios like that for almost every jutsu in the Manga, and that's assuming even using Kamui to warp would be beneficial or necessary, and I'm 99% sure that it wouldn't be in times where he was in trouble. Obito distinctively said he couldn't slip through things thus actual warping is still on the table.
And Madara being able to use it has nothing to do with talent.
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Obito said he can't pass through things in the viz, which indicates he's talking about the kamui phasing abilities not the whole jutsu.
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Don't you find it weird to say Madara can use kamui warp and the original owner of kamui can't do the same? What would talent even have to do it, if anything shouldn't the original user of the eye have as much talent or more than Madara.
Warping while having Bijuu potentially pulled from you would be pretty beneficial over losing entirely.
Of course talent is a factor, lol. Give Konohamaru that eye and he couldn't do shit with Kamui.
Of course I find it weird, I think it's contradictory to the story itself. But if Obito was capable of Kamui Warp all along, it's a massive inconsistency in the story's context. Many events could have been avoided/won for Juubito had he simply Kamui warped himself or others.
Talent is a factor, being the original owner of the eye means nothing in this context. Usually, yes I would agree with that logic. But Madara is an exception to the rule, since he has demonstrated probably the largest natural talent pool of any character in the manga. He mastered Perfect Sage Mode within a second and called it easy.
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Which most likely isn't even possible. Obito can't warp away with the Bijuu's chakra intact when it's already outside of his body being pulled out by the alliance. Then we have the fact that every time his short range warp has been used it's never been on targets that large. Like I said there are plenty of scenarios like this in the Manga so saying that short warp isn't possible solely because of this doesn't make sense.
No, it's not a factor in this scenario because talent and Obito's aptitude with the jutsu had nothing to do with why he couldn't phase. He couldn't phase because the Juubi prevented him from doing so. Not to mention those are Obito's eyes. Madara being more talented overall doesn't mean that Obito's eyes will work better with him than they would with Obito as Obito is the original wielder.
Alright.
I really don't think so. If the justification behind Juubito not being able to phase is because the Juubi can't exist in two dimensions at once, we've already seen that that's also incorrect thanks to Madara. Too lazy to pull up the scan, but you know what I'm talking about. Madara got cut in half and was still able to Kamui part of the Juubi while the other part remained in the original world. And we know his lower half still had part of the Juubi, since Hagaromo was able to use the chakra from it to manifest to the Edo Hokage.
So there's still a discrepancy between how Obito and Madara are able to use Kamui. The Juubi'd simultaneous presence in both dimensions is not the reason phasing can't be done.
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The other half of his body has the chakra, not the beast itself. It's not like he lost a chunk of the Juubi after his lower half got severed.
And there is no discrepancy because again, the only thing that was stated to be impossible for Obito was phasing. Not actually warping to the other dimension. Either:
A. It's because Obito can't move part of his body to the other dimension due to the fact that the Juubi can't exist in two places at once, which is most likely false since Obito moving part of his body doesn't necessarily mean the Juubi is in two places at once.
B. It's for a reason not explained, but that doesn't mean anything here since Madara didn't do what Obito was unable to do.
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Don't embarrass yourself again this time and actually read what you type before you hit reply.
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Obito said he can't phase didn't say anything about warping or stop warping objects. EDIT Obito can't stop the warp if it's used directly toward him.
