DMS Kabuto vs MS Obito

[ComplexCity]

Kabuto plays his flute, and then Obito is caught. :lol. Kamui only removes his body when something overlaps with his body.

Actually I'd have to disagree here, when Naruto's rasengan was warped, he hit Obito is the other dimension. Seeing on how sound would reside in that particular dimension, Obito wouldn't be affected

 

[TRE MERCER]

Kabuto can use 2 thins to beat Obito, but none of them is 100% legit since they're based on supositions.

-Sound genjutsu: If Obito is put under genjutsu, he's not gonna be able to break from it alone, since Itachi (a genjutsu master) and Sasuke (an EMS user) couldn't break from it just by themselves. Of course this is just a suposition, since there's no way to know if Sasuke or Itachi could've done the same thing Shikamaru did (to hurt themselves) to break from it. Since this is a SM enhaced genjutsu, there's no way to know if that'd work.

Not only is the genjutsu extremely slow but Itachi and Sasuke were able to have conversation

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and Itachi was able to move his head and even

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. Obito will be able to use Kamui while caught in the genjutsu no doubt about it.​

-White rage: If Obito is caught in white rage, the high vibration of the sound and the light would stop him from using intangibility, allowing Kabuto to land the final blow. Sasuke couldn't keep up Susano under those circumstances, so there's a reason to believe that Obito couldn't keep intangibility under the same circumstances (of course, this is another suposition)

If none of those work, then Kabuto is screwed.

Obito put himself in Uchiha flame barrier to prevent the light from blinding him thus canceling out the affects of WR or he could simply warp himself in the opposite direction of WR to get out of it's aoe. Or slip underground way to many ways to evade this tech.​

 

[KidGamer65]

Actually I'd have to disagree here, when Naruto's rasengan was warped, he hit Obito is the other dimension. Seeing on how sound would reside in that particular dimension, Obito wouldn't be affected

Kamui only removes his body when something overlaps with his body.

Sound can't physically overlap with his body, so Kamui wont activate.

 

[EZQ]

Not only is the genjutsu extremely slow but Itachi and Sasuke were able to have conversation

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and Itachi was able to move his head and even

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. Obito will be able to use Kamui while caught in the genjutsu no doubt about it.​

Obito put himself in Uchiha flame barrier to prevent the light from blinding him thus canceling out the affects of WR or he could simply warp himself in the opposite direction of WR to get out of it's aoe. Or slip underground way to many ways to evade this tech.​

1- What does the gehjutsu's speed have to do with Obito being able to use Kamui while being caught? Genjutsu makes the person under it lose his bond with reality. Obito, while being inside genjutsu, won't be able to know if Kabuto is going to atack him and activate kamui on time. Not to mention genjutsu is generally a k.o in battle.

2- Obito doesn't have the reaction speed to put up that barrier before WR explodes. And once it explodes, no jutsu can be mantained, so Obito isn't using the barrier nor kamui.

 

[ComplexCity]

Sound can't physically overlap with his body, so Kamui wont activate.

I understand what u mean but also going back and reading that's a bad example anyway. What about when Kakashi warped the kunai and it cut Obito?

 

[KidGamer65]

I understand what u mean but also going back and reading that's a bad example anyway. What about when Kakashi warped the kunai and it cut Obito?

Naruto tried to hit Obito, Obito moved his face to the other dimension, and it hit Kakashi's Kunai. Kamui only activates when solid objects overlap with his body.

 

[ComplexCity]

Naruto tried to hit Obito, Obito moved his face to the other dimension, and it hit Kakashi's Kunai. Kamui only activates when solid objects overlap with his body.

Lemme see that hot scan. On a phone and don't feel like looking

 

[ComplexCity]

Naruto tried to hit Obito, Obito moved his face to the other dimension, and it hit Kakashi's Kunai. Kamui only activates when solid objects overlap with his body.

Lemme see that hot scan. On a phone and don't feel like looking

 

[KidGamer65]

Lemme see that hot scan. On a phone and don't feel like looking

No prob.

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[solorflare99]

Now if Obito has no control over Kamui's intangibility how are these two things possible

1. How can he stand on the ground during Kamui?
2. How can he go underground with Kamui?

Both needs answers.
Also maybe you already answered I didn't all the post, sorry in advance if that is the case.

 

[ComplexCity]

No prob.

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Lol can't remember word for word of events I read two yrs ago. I am convinced you got it

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Obito wins. Genjutsu is counter via

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. Actually it does take some time for Kabuto to use the

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not only do they have to emerge from his body but they also need to form themselves. On the plus side once there formed he can switch through them

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. Not only is the genjutsu extremely slow but Itachi and Sasuke were able to have conversation

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and Itachi was able to move his head and even

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. Obito will be able to use Kamui while caught in the genjutsu no doubt about it.

Barriers has never ever shown to cancel out sound so stop saying its a counter. Stop mentioning Kabuto's execution of forming DNA as it completely irrelevant since its not going to be stop. Genjutsu travels at sound speed so saying that its slow is completely dumb. Itachi and Sasuke ran, and they were caught in mid conversation, not to mention its an omni-direction attack.

And at the end of the day KG65 proved that Obito's intangibility only works against solid objects.

I also want to point out Kabuto's speed and reactions. It's implied that Obito can get from point

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within the time it takes Danzo to kill Sasuke.(Note Danzo hand was about an inch or 2 away from Sasuke's neck). Obito being able to warp up on Kabuto before he uses any of the sound 4 is very possible.

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but only if he's close enough.

Obito teleporting =/= his hand speed and movement speed. This is the same case as FTG users. Teleporting from 1 point to another can be instant but now that leaves their personal strike speed. And Kabuto far surpasses Obito in reflexes and strike speed category.

And stop taking manga out of context just because we dont see his hands. Manga states, in order warp other objects, needs physical contact[

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Naruto and Sasuke are like Indra and Ashura does that mean they can do every ability that Indra and Ashura can do? Databook is reliable to a certain degree but what your doing here is taking something out of context to prove your point.

Lol, first of all Naruto and Sasuke are reincarnate. And reincarnates dont share abilities. Other Madara would have Sasuke's Enton abilities. Or Kaguya wouldnt have stated Sasuke's Indra reincarnate has the Enton ability.

Thats completely not the same case here. When Kabuto is literally stealing the users cells to access their KKG or abilities. So in where am I taking DB AND Manga out of context again? There is no such thing in my claims.

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And you fantastically failed at proving anything.

I failed trying to show it to someone so dense. Until you show me how Obito can physically move away from attack speeds that Kabuto shown can escape, then come at me. The evidence stands till then

 

[TRE MERCER]

1- What does the gehjutsu's speed have to do with Obito being able to use Kamui while being caught? Genjutsu makes the person under it lose his bond with reality. Obito, while being inside genjutsu, won't be able to know if Kabuto is going to atack him and activate kamui on time. Not to mention genjutsu is generally a k.o in battle.

I never said anything about speed honestly. Actually they don't lose their bond with reality as the scan shown that Itachi while in genjutsu talked to Kabuto did you even click the link? Sharingan can see through genjutsu so yes Obito will be aware if Kabuto tries to strike him. No genjutsu doesn't mean that re-watch Itachi and Sasuke fight if you don't believe me.​

2- Obito doesn't have the reaction speed to put up that barrier before WR explodes. And once it explodes, no jutsu can be mantained, so Obito isn't using the barrier nor kamui.

WR doesn't even move at good speed for 1. Once the barrier is up it doesn't need to be maintained also Obito simply warps himself in the opposite direction thus getting out of WR range.​

 

[Jugram Haschwalth]

Barriers has never ever shown to cancel out sound so stop saying its a counter. Stop mentioning Kabuto's execution of forming DNA as it completely irrelevant since its not going to be stop. Genjutsu travels at sound speed so saying that its slow is completely dumb. Itachi and Sasuke ran, and they were caught in mid conversation, not to mention its an omni-direction attack.

Actually i thought Jiraiya vs Pain was proof that sound genjutsu cannot be used through material i may be wrong but i doubt it. Forming dna takes some time but once it's formed it doesn't simple. Your right it does travel at the speed of sound but the time it takes the user to be caught takes sometime is what i've shouldn't said. Itachi and Sasuke did not run they were hiding

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so stop fabricating your arguments. Doesn't matter if it's an omnidirectional attack the Uchiha's have shown the ability not only to move but to engage in conversation. Obito will be able to use kamui because Sasuke and Itachi both showed that yo can build up chakra while caught in this genjutsu so Obito using kamui to escape is going to happen. You can build up chakra but not maintain it that's the affects of sound genjutsu.

And at the end of the day KG65 proved that Obito's intangibility only works against solid objects.

This means nothing when i've stated this myself but this doesn't help Kabuto's arguments here not one bit. Since he'll be able to use kamui to get himself out of the jutsu. Note if his intangibility only works on solid objects what about wind based techs? Suiton based techs? Katon based techs? None of thee above are solid yet Obito can faze through them which means Kidgamer65 is wrong.

Obito teleporting =/= his hand speed and movement speed. This is the same case as FTG users. Teleporting from 1 point to another can be instant but now that leaves their personal strike speed. And Kabuto far surpasses Obito in reflexes and strike speed category.

And stop taking manga out of context just because we dont see his hands. Manga states, in order warp other objects, needs physical contact[

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Why would Obito striking speed matter here when his only chance of victory will be going for the quick win via warping. Kabuto's striking speed and reactions are superior to Obito's? Kabuto's striking speed couldn't even get him past Itachi cqc skills. He wasn't even able to completely dodge

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explain to me how his striking speed is superior to Obito's who tangled with 2 KM clones? It's been heavily implied that KM Naruto cannot stop himself from being warped by Obito KM Naruto has shown better striking speed and reaction speed than Kabuto and all around better speed feats than Kabuto who failed to successfully dodge a Susanoo arrow while Naruto dodged v2 Raikage fastest punch.(Naruto's also a sensor.) He cannonly warped without contact so bringing that up is useless yes it may be hard to warp without contact but he undoubtable can warp without contact.

Lol, first of all Naruto and Sasuke are reincarnate. And reincarnates dont share abilities. Other Madara would have Sasuke's Enton abilities. Or Kaguya wouldnt have stated Sasuke's Indra reincarnate has the Enton ability.

Thats completely not the same case here. When Kabuto is literally stealing the users cells to access their KKG or abilities. So in where am I taking DB AND Manga out of context again? There is no such thing in my claims.

Why wasn't these abilities displayed then? Just because you have the cells doesn't mean you can do the jutsu? You actually can't even be sure if Kabuto even knows the Kage bushin hand sign nor can you be sure his clones would even turn out right.

 

[Curse Mark]

Kabuto is going to be able to use Whiterage before Obito can Kamui him? Go home just go home kid. Doesn't need any damaging techs when he can warp him.

Intangibility renders that completely useless.​

Intangibility would render it useless, partially. His ear drums wouldn't explode or whatever, but his sight would still be affected.

Um no. Not when he canonically was caught by cellular level attack from Torune, with Gloves on. And no Genjutsu is played with a melody. Something that can last 5 minutes. Once caught he can't Kamui since the genjutsu also halts the opponents jutsu.

Pretty sure they elaborate on him taking off his gloves.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Intangibility would render it useless, partially. His ear drums wouldn't explode or whatever, but his sight would still be affected.

That still doesn't benefit Kabuto.​

 

[Curse Mark]

That still doesn't benefit Kabuto.​

I never mentioned it benefiting anyone. Just mentioned what would still work.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Actually i thought Jiraiya vs Pain was proof that sound genjutsu cannot be used through material i may be wrong but i doubt it. Forming dna takes some time but once it's formed it doesn't simple. Your right it does travel at the speed of sound but the time it takes the user to be caught takes sometime is what i've shouldn't said. Itachi and Sasuke did not run they were hiding

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so stop fabricating your arguments. Doesn't matter if it's an omnidirectional attack the Uchiha's have shown the ability not only to move but to engage in conversation. Obito will be able to use kamui because Sasuke and Itachi both showed that yo can build up chakra while caught in this genjutsu so Obito using kamui to escape is going to happen. You can build up chakra but not maintain it that's the affects of sound genjutsu.

@Bold then you clearly dont know how sound works. And dont know how to read.

Forming DNA takes a single hand seal. Something that Base Kabutomaru can do against Obito.

And how about using this website to look for manga scans. There's no fabrication[

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Being able to use Genjutsu doesnt mean being able to use Ninjutsu. Susanoo shut down under sound. So will anything ninjutsu use.

This means nothing when i've stated this myself but this doesn't help Kabuto's arguments here not one bit. Since he'll be able to use kamui to get himself out of the jutsu. Note if his intangibility only works on solid objects what about wind based techs? Suiton based techs? Katon based techs? None of thee above are solid yet Obito can faze through them which means Kidgamer65 is wrong.

Stating elements not being solid doesn't change the fact that it can overlap Obito's body. So no KG is following what the manga and DB explains.

Why would Obito striking speed matter here when his only chance of victory will be going for the quick win via warping. Kabuto's striking speed and reactions are superior to Obito's? Kabuto's striking speed couldn't even get him past Itachi cqc skills. He wasn't even able to completely dodge

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explain to me how his striking speed is superior to Obito's who tangled with 2 KM clones? It's been heavily implied that KM Naruto cannot stop himself from being warped by Obito KM Naruto has shown better striking speed and reaction speed than Kabuto and all around better speed feats than Kabuto who failed to successfully dodge a Susanoo arrow while Naruto dodged v2 Raikage fastest punch.(Naruto's also a sensor.) He cannonly warped without contact so bringing that up is useless yes it may be hard to warp without contact but he undoubtable can warp without contact.

Because his striking speed determines how he catches Kabuto?

@Bold: Not relevant when Itachi > Obito in CQC. And before you mention Obito's CQC feats with Kamui.

I dont know this "this" scan is so please use Narutobase scans. And I hope you arent implying Susanoo arrow, cause thats would just be wasting my time, to someone who can't read manga.

Obito can only tangle with KM only because of "intangibility". Which Itachi could without any source of invulnerable defense. Show me feats that he can do that without Kamui then we can talk.

@Underline, except you can't prove that. Not when manga doesnt support you[

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Why wasn't these abilities displayed then? Just because you have the cells doesn't mean you can do the jutsu? You actually can't even be sure if Kabuto even knows the Kage bushin hand sign nor can you be sure his clones would even turn out right.

Not displaying doesn't disprove not possible, otherwise DB explanation wouldn't say he can.

@Bold except manga shows him doing the jutsu of the people he had from their cells. Each had 1 panel time to prove it.

Kabuto knows everything about Konoha, fact. Even its forbbiden techs, fact. Kabuto has full knowledge of Orochimaru and his arsenals, facts. Learning how to clone (not shadow clone) is basic academy. Kabuto has one of the best chakra control in the series. Fact.

These facts are indisputable.

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Pretty sure they elaborate on him taking off his gloves.

Taking off his gloves? Why would he do that? And Prove it?

 

[Waltz]

What sort of counter does Obito have for Manda II

Pretty sure Manda s0l0s this one too.

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OT: Obito should eventually win this one. If Kabuto tries CQC with a Chakra Scalpel (highly likely) on Obito at a moment he think's he's vulnerable, Obito becomes intangible and punches Kabuto's head with Shashiki [

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]. There's nothing else in his arsenal Obito cannot overcome. As intelligent as Kabuto was and the knowledge he had of Obito's plans and the Uchiha's abilities in general to the point that he made boastful statements that "Sennin Modo made him superior to the Uchiha" and gave the impression that the Rin'negan was his only fear where Obito was concerned----he still did not know of all the Sharingan had to offer in terms of jutsu nor their intricate details such as Izanami; Uchiha Kinjutsu Which Madara would have thought to Obito [

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[Curse Mark]

@Bold then you clearly dont know how sound works. And dont know how to read.

Forming DNA takes a single hand seal. Something that Base Kabutomaru can do against Obito.

And how about using this website to look for manga scans. There's no fabrication[

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Being able to use Genjutsu doesnt mean being able to use Ninjutsu. Susanoo shut down under sound. So will anything ninjutsu use.




Stating elements not being solid doesn't change the fact that it can overlap Obito's body. So no KG is following what the manga and DB explains.



Because his striking speed determines how he catches Kabuto?

@Bold: Not relevant when Itachi > Obito in CQC. And before you mention Obito's CQC feats with Kamui.

I dont know this "this" scan is so please use Narutobase scans. And I hope you arent implying Susanoo arrow, cause thats would just be wasting my time, to someone who can't read manga.

Obito can only tangle with KM only because of "intangibility". Which Itachi could without any source of invulnerable defense. Show me feats that he can do that without Kamui then we can talk.

@Underline, except you can't prove that. Not when manga doesnt support you[

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Not displaying doesn't disprove not possible, otherwise DB explanation wouldn't say he can.

@Bold except manga shows him doing the jutsu of the people he had from their cells. Each had 1 panel time to prove it.

Kabuto knows everything about Konoha, fact. Even its forbbiden techs, fact. Kabuto has full knowledge of Orochimaru and his arsenals, facts. Learning how to clone (not shadow clone) is basic academy. Kabuto has one of the best chakra control in the series. Fact.

These facts are indisputable.

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Taking off his gloves? Why would he do that? And Prove it?

Torune? Because the poisonous insects were on his skin...