Disproving The Theories Of SO6P Being Uzumaki + Hyuuga. Please Read

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i am gonna disprove this again just like the last time.

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manga clearly says they inherited their father (SO6P) powers.

Yin = powerful chakra + dojutsu = Older Son
Yang = large chakra + life force = Younger Son

they got those powers from SO6P nothing mentions the juubi.

if they were created from juubi then why aren't they:

1-immortal
2-can use bijuu dama
3-have the juubi eye
4-juubi chakra
5-ability to create everything

answer these questions right now then genius

"Created by Banbatsu Sozo" Not the Juubi genius. Rikudou still had the Juubi within him when he created his sons. It was his main chakra source; hence they are the Yin and Yang of the Juubi and why mixing the bloodlines gives the Rinnegan (God Power-Juubi).

 

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Also you seem to be implying that the Uzumaki clan came first. And that's where he got his sealing jutsus from. But then where did he get his kenkkei genkkei from since the Uzumaki clan doesn't have ocular prowess or particularly powerful chakra.

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The Rinnegan may not require biological factors, at all. That could merely be a misconception of nearly all the characters in the series (spare for, perhaps, Madara - but he isn't talking too terribly much).

Also the only characteristics the Uzumaki have that really relate to the Sage are those that relate to the Senju as well.

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Coincidence?

Danzo had powerful sealing jutsu. As did Chiyo. As did all of Akatsuki. As did Minato, granted his are Uzumaki in origin. As did a number of other persons who are not Uzumaki. You really can't use sealing jutsu as proof that some one has Uzumaki lineage.

The Uzumaki are known for a relatively 'barbaric' or 'wild' form of sealing jutsu. Such as the Dead Demon Consuming Seal and many of their more powerful jutsu coming at a sacrifice of some variety or another.

Seals like Danzo's and the Eight Trigrams seal used to seal Kurama are related to Taoism - a Hyuuga concept, however.

That leads me to wonder if there's a Hyuuga-Uzumaki relationship that will be revealed (possibly surrounding their cursed seal... perhaps it is applied with the Sage's staff, or something crazy like that).

Also who didn't have sealing jutsu despite being Uzumaki? Karin.

We don't know what jutsu she has or doesn't have.

What we do know is that Orochimaru inducted her as a sort of disciple and test subject. Expecting her to know sealing jutsu is a bit silly - since she's obviously been estranged from any family she has for quite some time, and it's questionable just how much jutsu her family took with them (if any).

And would Orochimaru be so reckless as to teach Karin - an Uzumaki - some of her family secrets? The main reason he kept her around was her odd ability to heal people and her sensory abilities. The only reason he let Sasuke get as dangerous as he did was because Orochimaru planned to take his body as his own. He kept Juugo locked in a cage and Suigetsu in a tank of water.

So it's unlikely that Orochimaru even told her she was an Uzumaki, much less gave her access to sealing techniques (wouldn't want that coming around to bite you in the rear).

Also those are rumors that the Hyuuga and the Uchiha are related. But if we look at the sage, then at his sons and we want to retain the theory that Hyuuga are related to the Uchiha. It would make more sense that the Byakugan is a watered down sharingan as both have the capability of seeing chakra. However the power granted with sharingan seems far greater than that of a byakugan. It seems unlikely a watered down kenkkei genkkei would be more powerful than it's full blooded predecessor. Especially sense the Uchiha seem to have greater ocular prowess and more powerful spiritual energy. It seems that the Hyuuga are an offshoot of the Uchiha/ Elder Son

I would argue that the Byakugan is not a 'watered down' version of the Sharingan, and that it is actually more powerful. For its ability regarding insight - it's far more capable than the Sharingan. For example - Hinata has a 10 kilometer radius of 359*359 degree vision that can penetrate just about anything. And she can see your chakra points (something no other ocular ability can do).

This insight has led to the family developing an art of fighting that allows them to attack, directly, the 'inner coils system.' This means that even Juubito could be rendered temporarily disabled by the '8 Trigrams, 64 Palms' technique.

"But Aim, the Mangekyo..."

Ah, yes, the Mangekyo.

This is that 'special chakra' that Tobirama spoke of. It's almost as if... as if a portion of the Juubi came along with the Sharingan, or, at the very least - its influence.

If the Byakugan and Sharingan are related... but the Sharingan seems to be relatively untainted by the influence of the Juubi....

That would lend some credence to the notion that the Hyuuga predate the Sage, no?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Will people please stop with the arguments that there were no families/clans before Rikudou came along since consanguinity/blood relations extend far beyond the Pre-Ninjutsu era, ninjutsu or non-ninjutsu unless of course you and others are suggesting that they suddenly had one gigantic orgy when they acquired Ninjutsu and only started forming clans/blood-ties then, since it was clearly stated that Rikudou's Era was an age of endless war, families/clans albeit non-ninjutsu wielders existed back then which are the progenitor of the modern-day Shinobi Clans. Rikudou Sennin was a human priest,he like any human has a family/clan/heritage.

 

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They acquired their father's powers as the Juubi's Jinchuuriki, the powers they acquired are from the Juubi

then why aren't they immortal, have juubi chakra instead of their father, can use bijuu dama, have juubi eye?

you're gonna answer those questions if you want me to believe you. give manga scans for these questions not your assumption.

 

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then why aren't they immortal, have juubi chakra instead of their father, can use bijuu dama, have juubi eye?

you're gonna answer those questions if you want me to believe you. give manga scans for these questions not your assumption.

How about you start by answering this simple question.

If the Senju and Uchiha come from the Sage. And the Sage is Senju+Uchiha... then how, pray tell, did the Sage come to exist?

To answer your questions - the Sage, himself, wasn't immortal. Why would his sons be?

One could easily make the argument that the Mangekyo Sharingan represents the manifestation of the Juubi's chakra. The Senju equivalent is elusive at the moment - but we've not seen much of the Senju techniques.

nothing says juubi gives rinnegan. you're gonna need scans for that. last time i checked you need Uchiha + Senju DNA to give rinnegan.

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That's a negative.

There's more to the Rinnegan than "Senju DNA." It's also arguable that the current 'experts' are mistaken, and Senju/Uchiha DNA/ability plays absolutely no role in it.

After all... where was Nagato's injection of Uchiha? While Obito (still speaking as Madara) claimed to have given Nagato the Rinnegan - it's not at all clear what he means by this. During the scene where Nagato awakens his Rinnegan - we do not see his eyes until after his parents have been killed - which gives more credence to the idea that the Rinnegan is a more literal token for Buddhist concepts:

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How about you start by answering this simple question.

If the Senju and Uchiha come from the Sage. And the Sage is Senju+Uchiha... then how, pray tell, did the Sage come to exist?

To answer your questions - the Sage, himself, wasn't immortal. Why would his sons be?

One could easily make the argument that the Mangekyo Sharingan represents the manifestation of the Juubi's chakra. The Senju equivalent is elusive at the moment - but we've not seen much of the Senju techniques.

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That's a negative.

There's more to the Rinnegan than "Senju DNA." It's also arguable that the current 'experts' are mistaken, and Senju/Uchiha DNA/ability plays absolutely no role in it.

After all... where was Nagato's injection of Uchiha? While Obito (still speaking as Madara) claimed to have given Nagato the Rinnegan - it's not at all clear what he means by this. During the scene where Nagato awakens his Rinnegan - we do not see his eyes until after his parents have been killed - which gives more credence to the idea that the Rinnegan is a more literal token for Buddhist concepts:

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1-Juubi created SO6P.

2-The organs in the eye contains a little piece of genes. Madara's rinnegan contained his uchiha blood so nagato has a very small portion of uchiha blood (

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we are gonna go by manga statements that weren't contradicted like rinnegan = uchiha+senju. we are not gonna go based on theories that go against the manga.

 

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1-Juubi created SO6P.

Ah, I thought I recognized your name.

You're that guy.

So, your whole line of interrogation regarding Sir Derp is hypocritical, then. You tried to grill him, asking why the Sons didn't inherit the Juubi's eyes and direct power ... when you, yourself, try to claim that the Juubi created the Sage (who didn't have all of the Juubi's powers as a human).

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"Once more."

Implying, heavily, that the Sage and Ten Tails were two separate entities from the beginning - and that the Juubi represented a relatively malevolent (or perceived malevolent) force. It would seem relatively unlikely that the Juubi created the Sage.

Unless you want to make the argument that the Juubi created the world and the world created the Sage, therefor the Juubi created the Sage.

2-The organs in the eye contains a little piece of genes. Madara's rinnegan contained his uchiha blood so nagato has a very small portion of uchiha blood (

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So... where's the Uchiha?

And what does Nagato have to do with Madara's eyes?

Come on, now. Keep up, child.

we are gonna go by manga statements that weren't contradicted like rinnegan = uchiha+senju. we are not gonna go based on theories that go against the manga.

Such as "In Beast Cloak Mode, you cannot create large numbers of shadow clones."

The Rinnegan does not equal Uchiah+Senju. Madara said this, himself. There is more to it, than that.

Further - Kabuto and Orochimaru have both been investigating the Rinnegan for over a decade. Do you think that if it were as simple as "Uchiha and Senju" that they would have already developed the Rinnegan for study?

Or how about Danzo? Why doesn't he have the Rinnegan?

You're taking -one- panel from the manga and using it to base all of your 'fact' on. Yet there are several dozen other panels that raise doubts about the factual nature of your interpretation. Do we need to get someone in here to explain, to you, the original Japanese in that panel, and how the English translation falls short of the mark?

 

[Naijakid]

The Man is uzumaki


P.s: Hashi solosXDXD

 

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Theory makes sense. I like it.