KingHashirama
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THIS THREAD WILL USE SPECIFIC CHARACTERS TO PROVE ITS POINT. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AND HAVE A PROBLEM WITH NOT DISCUSSING AND INSTEAD JUST FLAMING BECAUSE YOUR CHARACTER WAS PICKED ON.... PLEASE DO NOT POST IN THE THREAD AND JUST MOVE ON!
There has been notion of there being gray characters who are neither good or bad in the manga NARUTO. However, to me I have always perceived this to be a false claim or a notion. Due to the fact those specific characters have had "redeeming" points in their story-line. Why is there a redemption point , when they were neither good or bad?
Itachi/Danzo "Did it for the overall good":
The ultimate myth of Itachi and Danzo being gray characters because they "did it for the village". This is a big fallacy. The perception that they did it for the village is a good thing, stems from the view that Hashirama Senju (hokage) killed Madara for the village. And hence killing in the name of the village is a "good thing" or what you would call it "gray thing" despite how unacceptable the act might be.
However if we were to base our judgement on this view, from where doing things for the village would allow you to not be a "bad person" because it is in the name of the village , despite the act being HORRIFYING. However to believe this would require the base that KONOHA itself is "good". But then if konoha is good and is in a war, does that make other villages bad?
^^ Do you see where i'm going with this? :erm:
So for this i believe it better to say that the ACT and if they do commit a bad act it would initially make them bad. And hence set up a redemption point in the storyline.
Redemption:
Danzo and Itachi have had a redemption point in their storyline. Where they have redeemed themselves or have "realized" the "right way" of things.
- Danzo's redemption = Near his death when he has the flashbacks. He realizes what it means to be a shinobi of the village. Instead of just sacrificing other people like he had done in the past. This time he sacrificed himself (which correlates with the flashback of Tobirama sacrificing himself for the kids.)
- Itachi's redemption = Return as Edo tensei, he was able to make up for the mistakes he did via becoming one of the heroes. And acknowledging that his way of dealing with things wasn't the right way (admitted in front of sasuke.)
^^^^ For these characters to have such "redemption" points in their storyline, they had to be either good or bad. Sure you can say there is complexity of Good or bad. BUT nonetheless they were either good or bad. And in the storyline good or bad seems to be judged based upon the beliefs of the main character.
Contradiction:
You see if they cannot be considered good or bad... then how are Madara and Obito villains?
ALL Of these character have had a self-interest that was covered by a claim of some greater good. However, yet only 2 of these characters are considered to be Villains. Despite their "greater good" was to a larger extent.
Conclusion:
My thread may contain alot of mistakes as I am not good in writing and expressing myself via writing. However, the point of the thread was that there is no "gray character" in Naruto-verse. They might be complex characters.. but not "gray characters"
PLEASE ask for clarifications on a point i made, instead of assuming it off the bat. Thank you!!! PLEASE DISCUSS!!
There has been notion of there being gray characters who are neither good or bad in the manga NARUTO. However, to me I have always perceived this to be a false claim or a notion. Due to the fact those specific characters have had "redeeming" points in their story-line. Why is there a redemption point , when they were neither good or bad?
Itachi/Danzo "Did it for the overall good":
The ultimate myth of Itachi and Danzo being gray characters because they "did it for the village". This is a big fallacy. The perception that they did it for the village is a good thing, stems from the view that Hashirama Senju (hokage) killed Madara for the village. And hence killing in the name of the village is a "good thing" or what you would call it "gray thing" despite how unacceptable the act might be.
However if we were to base our judgement on this view, from where doing things for the village would allow you to not be a "bad person" because it is in the name of the village , despite the act being HORRIFYING. However to believe this would require the base that KONOHA itself is "good". But then if konoha is good and is in a war, does that make other villages bad?
^^ Do you see where i'm going with this? :erm:
So for this i believe it better to say that the ACT and if they do commit a bad act it would initially make them bad. And hence set up a redemption point in the storyline.
Redemption:
Danzo and Itachi have had a redemption point in their storyline. Where they have redeemed themselves or have "realized" the "right way" of things.
- Danzo's redemption = Near his death when he has the flashbacks. He realizes what it means to be a shinobi of the village. Instead of just sacrificing other people like he had done in the past. This time he sacrificed himself (which correlates with the flashback of Tobirama sacrificing himself for the kids.)
- Itachi's redemption = Return as Edo tensei, he was able to make up for the mistakes he did via becoming one of the heroes. And acknowledging that his way of dealing with things wasn't the right way (admitted in front of sasuke.)
^^^^ For these characters to have such "redemption" points in their storyline, they had to be either good or bad. Sure you can say there is complexity of Good or bad. BUT nonetheless they were either good or bad. And in the storyline good or bad seems to be judged based upon the beliefs of the main character.
Contradiction:
You see if they cannot be considered good or bad... then how are Madara and Obito villains?
- Itachi killing the clan = Self-interest of protecting the village (no protection occured really, just more harm) and saving his brother. (claimed it was for the village)
- Danzo doing evil things = Self-interest to become in power someday (claimed it was for the village)
- Madara doing these things = Self-interest to see a world in dreams (claimed it was for the world)
- Obito doing these things = Self-interest to see his past in dreams. (claimed it was for the world)
ALL Of these character have had a self-interest that was covered by a claim of some greater good. However, yet only 2 of these characters are considered to be Villains. Despite their "greater good" was to a larger extent.
Conclusion:
My thread may contain alot of mistakes as I am not good in writing and expressing myself via writing. However, the point of the thread was that there is no "gray character" in Naruto-verse. They might be complex characters.. but not "gray characters"
PLEASE ask for clarifications on a point i made, instead of assuming it off the bat. Thank you!!! PLEASE DISCUSS!!
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