Discussion: How Powerful was Prime Hashirama?

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Prime Hashirama's Level

When Madara Uchiha was first introduce, I always believe that he was the strongest shinobi ever existed in the series (not to include the Rikoudu Sennin of course). His name alone speaks power & one of the reasons why the 4th Great Shinobi World War started. However, my doubt rose when he was resurrected & was forced to fight the 5 Kages. Though he certainly toyed with them, he openly admitted during the battle that only Hashirama is capable of stopping him. He even lamented that he would have taught Hashirama how to resurrect himself if he had known how much weaker the modern day shinobi would be compared to them. As such, I became interested with Hashirama’s supremacy & with the recent chapters released, I incline to view him as the most powerful shinobi in the battlefield.


Hashirama’s Undeniable Hypes as Proclaimed in the Series
  1. Kabuto stated that Hashirama's competence was so enormous, that there aren't any living shinobi in the current era that could match his level of power. It was such that many considered his prowess to be a mere fairy tale much like the existence of the Sage of the Six Paths.
  2. Hashirama is one of three people to hold the title of "God of Shinobi", the others being Hiruzen Sarutobi and the Sage of the Six Paths.
  3. He was also touted as being the greatest shinobi of his time & the only ninja who could stop Madara. Not to mention that he became the leader of the Senju who was a group of shinobi that were the strongest, feared and most respected clan above all other clans in the ninja world during the war-torn era before the founding of the hidden villages.



Hashirama’s God-Like Feats & Abilities
  • Wood Clones - Unlike other clone techniques, the wood clones don't disappear when hit and takes the damage to a certain degree.
  • Gigantic Flowering Trees - allows him to force trees to grow on any surface in an instant. The pollen produced by these flowers is then released into the atmosphere and when inhaled, renders any afflicted target unconscious.
  • Giant Wooden Dragon - capable of restraining the Nine-Tails by using its immense serpentine body to constrict and absorb its chakra.
  • Wood Golem - works in conjunction with the dragon and is strong enough to catch a Tailed Beast Ball with its bare hands. He could also create protective structures that are able to withstand the destructive force of a Tailed Beast Ball, and could even create several giant wood hands that could block the sword of Madara's final Susanoo.
  • Sage Art: Wood Release: True Several Thousand Hands - After entering Sage Mode, Hashirama creates a wooden statue of titanic proportions, easily able to dwarf a tailed beast like Kurama.
  • Sage Art: Gate of the Great God - a technique that can bind a titanic creature such as the Ten-Tails, making it unable to move due to the bulk of its current form.
Hashirama acquires other special abilities such as , & greater than Tsunade as per Madara’s statement.


Hashirama’s Stamina, Life Force & Chakra Levels

As a Senju, Hashirama inherited an extraordinary life force, as well as physical energy and stamina. So much that he was able to fight Madara for and still have enough energy to deliver a final blow. Further, his chakra reserves are so great that after seeing Naruto distribute chakra to the entire Alliance, he noted that the volume was on as impressive level as his very own.


Hashirama’s SageMode Significance

With Madara’s latest revelation, it seems that his trump card is to gain access of Hashirama’s Sennin powers necessarily to stop RS Obito then switch place with him. As we can see from their on-going battle, Hashirama isn’t going all-out unlike Madara who used to even Hashirama’s Wooden Dragon Technique. But what interest me most is the fact that why would Madara wanted to acquire Hashirama’s Senjutsu Art. Perhaps he wanted to gain this power eventually.
There’s probably a reason why Kishimoto is delaying Hashirama’s most powerful technique, “Sage Art: Wood Release: True Several Thousand Hands”. As I’ve said, this could be the trump card that Madara was talking to defeat RS Obito, since we all know that the only weakness of the Jubi’s Jinchuriki is Senjutsu attacks. Thus, assuming Madara will succeed in gaining Hashirama’s Sage power, this jutsu will arguably injure RS Obito which will give Madara enough time to trade position with him.


Conclusion

With all the facts presented above, I considered Hashirama stand still higher than any forms of Madara. I also believe that he is the only shinobi who can defeat the Akatsuki in an all-out clash. His power is so great that I even find it impossible to achieve for the rest of the shinobi’s without stealing or borrowing powers from others. Imagine SM-Hashirama standing on his Wood Dragon along with the multiple bijiu’s he possessed in his prime... Even Rinnegan Madara will get fodderized.
Lastly, it’s important to note that even though Hashirama recently revealed that the 10-tailed Jinchuriki was indeed superior to his power, it doesn’t automatically mean he won’t defeat him in a fight. He didn’t know that time that RS Obito’s weakness was Senjutsu strikes & I like to clarify that if he possess all the bijiu’s that was said to be in his time of control, I had no doubt in my mind that he can take RS Obito to his so-called limits.


Now as for my question, how powerful was Prime Hashirama? I believe he’s above Rinnegan Madara, at the same tier as RS Obito, but in a little lower level compared to Pre-Jinchuriki Rikoudu....​
 

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Well this is Hashirama in his Prime so we will evidently find out. We've seen his power demonstrated in the manga many times by Madara and himself. Shisuisenju/1000hand Buddah is the most epic/badass/holyshit technique ever pulled out. So yes he is powerful, but I think Edo Madara as of now can match him. Also I believe in no way shape of form Hashirama is/was on par with Rikudou Obito that's just not a plausible idea.
 

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Now as for my question, how powerful was Prime Hashirama? I believe he’s above Rinnegan Madara, at the same tier as RS Obito, but in a little lower level compared to Pre-Jinchuriki Rikoudu....
Edo Madara > Hashirama
Obito >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashirama
prime Hiruzen > Hashirama
BSM Naruto > Hashirama
BM Minato > Hashirama

or that how I see them at least. xd
 

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Well this is Hashirama in his Prime so we will evidently find out. We've seen his power demonstrated in the manga many times by Madara and himself. Shisuisenju/1000hand Buddah is the most epic/badass/holyshit technique ever pulled out. So yes he is powerful, but I think Edo Madara as of now can match him. Also I believe in no way shape of form Hashirama is/was on par with Rikudou Obito that's just not a plausible idea.
I think he can take RS Obito if we consider all the bijiu's he had in his prime, that's the only reason why I believe that his prime is stronger than he's Edo form.. & so I believe that he'll defeat any forms of Madara as well.. But at least we agreed on something:)

Ababeel said:
Obito >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hashirama
prime Hiruzen > Hashirama
BSM Naruto > Hashirama
or that how I see them at least.
Please tell me you're not serious...
Ow, & I was talking about the Hashirama who have all the bijiu's in his prime. Add it with his SageMode is too much to handle...:)
 

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Well this is Hashirama in his Prime so we will evidently find out. We've seen his power demonstrated in the manga many times by Madara and himself. Shisuisenju/1000hand Buddah is the most epic/badass/holyshit technique ever pulled out. So yes he is powerful, but I think Edo Madara as of now can match him. Also I believe in no way shape of form Hashirama is/was on par with Rikudou Obito that's just not a plausible idea.
Sadly it is not Hashirama in his prime.

Unless the age of Grandpa is considered prime.
 

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Please tell me you're not serious...
Ow, & I was talking about the Hashirama who have all the bijiu's in his prime. Add it with his SageMode is too much to handle...:)
I'm serious!

I don't think he can fight with them in the first place, his power is to suppress them, unlike the uchiha who can fight with the beasts. Just like when he made Kurama take a good nap. lol
I don't think sleeping beasts are good to fight with them.
 

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I made a thread about how powerful Hashirama actually is before. You're missing a few things so I might make another tomorrow. You covered a lot so I commend you for that. Great work!

People bashed me because they didn't understand how strong Hashirama actually was at the time(This is before Hashirama was made an edo).
 

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He can't have the Bijuus and be fighting RS Obito who have the Bijuus inside him at the same time
Very true... I just considered it due to one of his many special / greatest abilities... But given a scenario that he have them, I think he'll even RS Obito...

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I made a thread about how powerful Hashirama actually is. You're missing a few things so I might make another tomorrow. You covered a lot so I commend you for that. Great work!
Thanks' sir!!!
 

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It took this war for you to realize he was stronger then madara???? Really??? Even when on multiple occasions it was stated he was the strongest of his era before this new hype got you and others to believe in his powers. Even with out the FTW, Wood golem/dragon/sage mode he was a beast and one of the best if you did your research.
 

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I'm serious!

I don't think he can fight with them in the first place, his power is to suppress them, unlike the uchiha who can fight with the beasts. Just like when he made Kurama take a good nap. lol
I don't think sleeping beasts are good to fight with them.
suppress doesn't = control. o-o
 

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Sadly it is not Hashirama in his prime.

Unless the age of Grandpa is considered prime.
I'm not aware of the specific timeline however Hashirama looks like he's around the age he fought Madara now. Theres also the fact Hiruzen is not a senju so his body is not nearly as strong. He also looks far older than his predecessors.
 

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suppress doesn't = control. o-o
No, of course not, how is he going to make them fight while their power being suppressed?

it's just like Kushina, she can suppress Kurama, but that does not mean she can fight with it!
or using Kurama to fight!

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oh sorry, it seems I understood your post in the wrong way. ~.~
anyway, has the manga ever stated that Hashirama was using the beasts
in his fights?
 

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It took this war for you to realize he was stronger then madara???? Really??? Even when on multiple occasions it was stated he was the strongest of his era before this new hype got you and others to believe in his powers. Even with out the FTW, Wood golem/dragon/sage mode he was a beast and one of the best if you did your research.
This is so true to be honest... Maybe because he wasn't my favorite, I really don't give a damn about the Senju brothers because all I really care is fanboying MInato & Itachi... But now the Senju brothers are certainly on my list....

KingHashirama said:
suppress doesn't = control. o-o
Very true...
 

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suppress doesn't = control. o-o
Keeping something under control can certainly mean fall under the meaning suppress. Hashirama having the tailed beast under his control could mean he kept them in line by suppressing their powers. It doesn't give him abilities like fighting with them like Madara has shown.
 

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Keeping something under control can certainly mean fall under the meaning suppress. Hashirama having the tailed beast under his control could mean he kept them in line by suppressing their powers. It doesn't give him abilities like fighting with them like Madara has shown.
We don't know about that, but as per Tobi's statement, he controlled them as it was his pets... So he might have controlled them better than Madara:erm:
 

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Keeping something under control can certainly mean fall under the meaning suppress. Hashirama having the tailed beast under his control could mean he kept them in line by suppressing their powers. It doesn't give him abilities like fighting with them like Madara has shown.
In the Manga control (when it comes to the tailed beasts) is to having the ability to willfully bend someone against their will. Suppressing is to detain someone. Hashirama was said to have the ability to control the tailed beasts, meaning more then suppressing.

No, of course not, how is he going to make them fight while their power being suppressed?

it's just like Kushina, she can suppress Kurama, but that does not mean she can fight with it!
or using Kurama to fight!

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oh sorry, it seems I understood your post in the wrong way. ~.~
anyway, has the manga ever stated that Hashirama was using the beasts
in his fights?
nope, hes against using them in the fight. Clearly shown he was worried when Sasuke said he was gonna burn down the juubi.
 
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