[Discussion] Difference between ONEPIECE, NARUTO And BLEACH.!!

[reizon]

its not actually difference, but its something that i like about ONEPIECE compared to NARUTO and BLEACH.!!

and it is...
CHARACTERS NOT LIVING UP TO THE HYPE CREATED BY THE AUTHOR.!!

in onepiece, the character and the hype created always lives upto its reputation.!!

lets start with NARUTO, it has the most obvious problem when it comes to this business.!!

they have jounin and ANBU, and all of them just get killed randomly all the time.!!
i dont get it at all.!!

and in bleach, they have captains.!!
in one arc, they are weak as hell and just right around the corner in next arc, they act all badass and op with the same tech.!!

but in onepiece, they have shichibukai, yonko and admirals(not sure if spelling is correct)... and upto now from what i have seen they all live upto the expectation and the hype created.!!

i wud have liked to explain this in detail, but im too lazy so this is all i cud muster.!!

 

[Kαmi]

I agree for One Piece but the case isn't always the same for Naruto. Hashirama and Madara have been living up to their hype but with others, we don't always get what we expect i.e the Juubi or Hiruzen. Oh and I don't watch/read Bleach so no comments on that.

Anyways, some Naruto fans don't like it when you praise One Piece but not praise Naruto so good luck with this thread...

 

[Sir Blades]

Well One Piece is a masterpiece after all.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

The Captains in bleach did live up to the hype though. :/

 

[LordRaikage]

this thread will probably be closed

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

Interesting thought.

Naruto
Ya, I was sad that it always seems like the Anbu get fodderized. Back in part 1, they were so awesome. Now it's like they are just average no name fodder. The only ones who were good are Kakashi, Yamato, Itachi, Sai, and Danzo's two personal guards. I Guess when you remove the masks they get stronger?

The Akatsuki maybe a bit more balanced in Naruto however.

Bleach
This was seem really bad today's chapter. Not only did 2 Captains get fodderized, they were Vizards on top of it. They even used their Bankai's. Then Renji(who is a vice captain) comes in and just owns the guy like hes nothing.

One Piece
I'll agree to some degree. The Admirals and Yonko's are all top tier guys. The Shichibukai however vary in Rank. Moria and Crocodile are low tier, while people like Donflamingo and Mihawk are top tier. Then there's Buggy who is God Tier.


I say it comes down to how the manga has evolved over the years. ATM in Naruto and Bleach the Captains and Anbu are useless to the plot while in The known groups in OP are very valid to the story.

 

[reizon]

The Captains in bleach did live up to the hype though. :/

well some of kubo's favourite captains did live up to the hype but not all did live upto the level of captains.!!

that past arc, visored being born, that was just horrible.!!

all those around 4 captains when down like a piece of cowshiit, its not even funny.!!

when you make someone captain, just work a little bit hard so that people can say that he deserved to be a captain.!!

 

[Cfighter]

I agree for One Piece but the case isn't always the same for Naruto. Hashirama and Madara have been living up to their hype but with others, we don't always get what we expect i.e the Juubi or Hiruzen. Oh and I don't watch/read Bleach so no comments on that.

Anyways, some Naruto fans don't like it when you praise One Piece but not praise Naruto so good luck with this thread...

In my opinion, Hashirama has definitely not lived up to his god-like praise. But thats almost entirely because all of his current fighting scenes have been off-panneled, and he hasn't done much but give motivational speeches recently.

 

[Kαmi]

In my opinion, Hashirama has definitely not lived up to his god-like praise. But thats almost entirely because all of his current fighting scenes have been off-panneled, and he hasn't done much but give motivational speeches recently.

I can see why you'd say that. His performance at VOTE with his Mokuton Golem, Dragon and Thousands hands technique sufficed for me. Though we still haven't seen this amazing healing of his and a lot of his fighting has happened off-panel so I understand why he hasn't lived up to it yet. I feel like Kishi still hasn't pulled out Hashirama's full arsenal but I guess we'll just see.

Someone above mentioned Naruto fans not liking the criticism.. Are OP fans or fans of any other manga not susceptible to act in the same way?

Character hypes are most of the time fault of the readers and fans who just love to hype what they like. When it comes to Naruto people are making unending theories and sporking and analyzing everything to death.

OP is too dreamy so those very things which cause 100 threads in ND get ignored while reading OP.

Nah, that's not what I was trying to imply, I've seen an OP fan retaliate in the same way I see Naruto's fans retaliate. It's just the fact that since we're on a mostly Naruto forum, I see fans more often than not retaliate to the criticism on area that Naruto lacks in that a user feels like another manga (One Piece in this example) does well in. That's all.

 

[reizon]

Do most of the marines accomplish much? I see most ANBU members in the same way. I have lost hopes for Tashigi achieving anything spectacular ever. Most of the OP females represent comic stereotypes of women and that's all. Of course it's aimed at male audience and it works but it doesn't make the character development better.

Someone above mentioned Naruto fans not liking the criticism.. Are OP fans or fans of any other manga not susceptible to act in the same way?

Character hypes are most of the time fault of the readers and fans who just love to hype what they like. When it comes to Naruto people are making unending theories and sporking and analyzing everything to death.

OP is too dreamy so those very things which cause 100 threads in ND get ignored while reading OP.

you know i love you with all my heart, but i have to disagree.!! :ls:

just because characters dont die in one piece(most of the time), doesnt make it dreamy and less of a manga in terms of the story and plot than naruto.!!

i dont exactly have the right words to describe one piece but everything in one piece has a purpose.!!

every single tiny bit of thing is what you wait to see in the future.!!

In my opinion, Hashirama has definitely not lived up to his god-like praise. But thats almost entirely because all of his current fighting scenes have been off-panneled, and he hasn't done much but give motivational speeches recently.

hashirama hype has been so disappointing.!!

to be honest im more impressed with tobirama than hashirama.!!

 

[Awesome G]

I think Madara lives up to the hype but the ten tails definitely did not live up to it's hype and after this weeks chapter of Bleach I kind of agree with you. Renji made the captains look pathetic! I'm pretty thankful that One Piece lives up to the hype of it's characters. Especially WB

 

[Kαmi]

Both act in the same way. People are people. It's not like their nature and habits change just because they like one kind of manga over the other.

I handle reports and I check both sections. I see fans of manga causing trouble in another section just for lulz and people who report anything however minute reporting pretty fast when it doesn't suit them.

Only solution I see is to keep the comments relevant and on topic and to avoid personal attacks towards other user or a group of people. One doesn't have to agree or respect other people's opinion but we can still follow the common courtesy and can have more meaningful discussions that way.

I agree, it's too bad not every member feels that. Some members can't help but take the bait of users who are obviously just trying to piss others off so we don't always get the meaningful discussions that we could get

 

[reizon]

The word you couldn't find were " emotional rollercoaster". OP has it and it's one of the Oda's strengths. Naruto verse is more rigid. For example - KG. Now you either have a blood line limit or not. If a character was introduced without it at first it's hard for him to get it later on.They may implant eyes but if it was not theirs to begin with they lag behind to an extent. Nagato could never turn it off despite developing it fully. Kakashi was troubled with matching chakra problem and was able to get MS in it only because Obito had awakened it.

In contrast- in OP one can get a devil fruit any given time and thus can be fixed more easily. The individual arcs are lose even if they connect and at times can be read separately. ( Moria). Dressrosa is much bigger and still echos Alabasta ( prototype arc?) in many ways.

In Naruto Madara using susano while blind is not extension or more detail about this tech for fans but a cause for getting furious even though it was a made up tech to begin with. In OP world it would have just been "awesomeness ". For Kishi tried to explain things and thus bound himself to an extent with higher expectations.

Another example- How many questions were asked about how Luffy got out of the Colosseum? He was looking for a way out for so long after all and it was said there were no exit. Yea I get that some are going to say it's because of disguise- did they forget "no one " could get out? Maybe Oda will put an explanation later on, may be not, but knowing how OP world and OP fans go about it it won't be a big deal either way. Sabo hype and Luffy crying his eyes out drowned that question completely. The same people when reading Naruto act differently.

That's what I meant fans sporking and getting too picky when reading Naruto and Narutoverse being more rigid.

My favourite manga at the time is Noblesse. And I read many others. Longer the story and more rigid the world there are bound to be some mistakes which would be harder to cover up. Criticism is all fun but after a while it becomes a drag when same things are being repeated 100 times.

i dont know if you were answering to someone else and accidentally quoted me or what...!!

but i do agree with Naruto being more rigid.!!(when in comes to powers anyway).!!

once my friend tried to explain to me the working principle of RED HAWK(if you dint know its that fire based luffy armament punch), and i was like dont waste your breathe, its one piece.!!

powers some of the times dont make sense i have come to deal with that, but as a whole one piece story makes more sense.!!

 

[Avinash012]

every single tiny bit of thing is what you wait to see in the future.!!

hashirama hype has been so disappointing.!!

to be honest im more impressed with tobirama than hashirama.!!

In my opinion, Hashirama has definitely not lived up to his god-like praise. But thats almost entirely because all of his current fighting scenes have been off-panneled, and he hasn't done much but give motivational speeches recently.

Only people to live upto their hype are Hashirama & Madara.

OT: Only thing's that I find shit about Naruto are supporting characters getting more importance than main character & Kishi some times trolling his own logics.

 

[reizon]

Whole OP story?

A young kid in search of adventure finds himself "unintentionally" unfolding a part of erased history. He finds that one government was replaced by another and usurpers erased every knowledge about the previous one. Luffy will probably restore the era of righteous rulers and may turn out to be one of them even or related with them in some way. Along the way we can see a glimpse of all kinds of emotion raising world problems like racism, genocide, slavery ( ask anyone at NB how it gets people flared up), stereotype women ( all guys favourite gender related jokes) and such spices to keep people engaged. Yes it's a well written story and Oda is a good narrator.

But having more or less sense as a story than Naruto? No idea what that means here. It's simply a different story and different approach and treatment. Naruto fails to rise same emotions to that extent for the emphasis is on starting and maintaining dialogue between people rather than finding an adventure. Of course adventures are more fun than talk. It doesn't make another less sensible. Just less interesting for many.

i havent thought about this whole thing in depth as you have, but ohh well...

it has been obvious to me that you like Naruto, from the start.!!

i just happen to like one piece more than Naruto.!!

lets work towards the future to find some common ground :ls:

lets me honest you and i need to find common ground :flirty1::flirty1::flirty1:

Only people to live upto their hype are Hashirama & Madara.

OT: Only thing's that I find shit about Naruto is that supporting characters got more importance than main character & Kishi some times trolls his own logics.

Hashirama has shown much in this war.!!

i dont really understand it.!!

why bring the most powerful person back if he just going to off panel for the majority of the time.!!

i know that the manga is about naruto and he has to be one to save the world and shiit but damn its annoying.!!

its just awful.!!

i think its time they just got rid of all the hokages if they are going to be doing nothing all the time.!!

 

[Avinash012]

i dont really understand it.!!

why bring the most powerful person back if he just going to off panel for the majority of the time.!!

i know that the manga is about naruto and he has to be one to save the world and shiit but damn its annoying.!!

its just awful.!!

i think its time they just got rid of all the hokages if they are going to be doing nothing all the time.!!

IMO Kishi did it to directly show that Naruto surpassed all hokages.

 

[reizon]

IMO Kishi did it to directly show that Naruto surpassed all hokages.

its because kishi dint know what to do and how to handle so many characters in one place, so he just left them be.!!

 

[Olorin]

n Naruto Madara using susano while blind is not extension or more detail about this tech for fans but a cause for getting furious even though it was a made up tech to begin with. In OP world it would have just been "awesomeness ". For Kishi tried to explain things and thus bound himself to an extent with higher expectations.

Another example- How many questions were asked about how Luffy got out of the Colosseum? He was looking for a way out for so long after all and it was said there were no exit. Yea I get that some are going to say it's because of disguise- did they forget "no one " could get out? Maybe Oda will put an explanation later on, may be not, but knowing how OP world and OP fans go about it it won't be a big deal either way. Sabo hype and Luffy crying his eyes out drowned that question completely. The same people when reading Naruto act differently.

1. if after BB extracted the DF from WB and used it's ability, WB would still somehow be alive and he couls also still use his DF, even though he didn't have it anymore ppl would b???? just like with Madara

2. He got out because of Bellamy, it was right there in the panels, could that have been the reason that nobody questioned it? well I guess since it was in the manga that just might be the reason -.-

 

[Olorin]

ah yea... lol I asked in the manga thread for it seemed had missed that page and someone answered because of disguise. I was like ... wth but then I left the discussion. I only reread it now. So now are you going to explain me how the staircase stay in air without support while you are walking upon them?

I have no idea which staircase you mean

but an unsupported staircase is hardly out of place in the OP world, it depends on how you set up the world, in a world where sky islands, reversed islands, ... are possible an unsupported staircase is hardly our of place

 

[reizon]

"It's aweful?" Not sure why you even bother to read something you have such a strong feeling against. But then if you have not given enough thought to OP which you claim to like ..... >_> Why even compare in such a case? For your Naruto related comments there are already many threads in the NM.

Both of us read mangas and are on the same forum. That ground is common enough. It doesn't matter which one you prefer. ^_^

Hashirama told his story and helped out a bit. He is a side character now who already had his chance and missed the warning sign calling Madara a danger for future. He concluded that he would have to kill Madara but failed to deal the killing blow and see that it ended for real. Madara has gotten a Hashi top up and he has to deal with it.

Other than that, I am not a clairvoyant and I dont know what Kishi has in mind. However I do understand that one cannot have every character out there all the time. Some will get more footage later on if need be. Let's finish the manga then only we can say if Kishi could release the edo on them already or still has a use of them.



There are more than one way to tell a story. By focusing the inner struggle of a small number, rather than spreading it across too many insignificant characters, Kishi focuses on his own message. He shows how the actions of the previous generations can shape and mold the personalities of the present characters and their future. The mistakes that one can learn to avoid now, and save us the trouble later on. ( boring I know. ). That's a theme which gets ignored because people are more interested in " flashy panels" or more time for their own favourites rather than writer's POV about his story.

god, you love this manga.!!

i wud just laugh it off, but its not even funny.!!

no wonder you became global mod of this place.!!

you are going to depth which even kishimotto dint think that was possible, to tryna make sense of them all.!!

and about why bother to read something thats awful...you dint see me say that i hate naruto.!!

just because you like someone, doesnt mean you have to like everything about them, its the same thing with manga.!!