Did Sasuke really break Tsukuyomi?

[Aznkidd]

Stop it. Kakashi stated that Naruto had Chakra control of the absolute highest level. Naruto got negged. Without the Sharingan he couldnt break his Genjutsu no matter how good your chakra control is.

Manga Facts > Your opinion.

yet what you said taken place in another period of time. Using the so called "manga fact" from another case another time to prove the incident that happened quite of time before that :lol

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[ItachiDaSoloKing]

yet what you said taken place in another period of time. Using the so called "manga fact" from another case another time to prove the incident that happened quite of time before that :lol

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Kakashi said that to master rasengan it required chakra control of the "Absolute Highest Level".

At the time Naruto fought Itachi he had fully mastered Rasengan. So Naruto did have incredible chakra control.

If you spit another pointless Opinion at me without any Manga Facts I won't bother listening.

 

[Aznkidd]

Kakashi said that to master rasengan it required chakra control of the "Absolute Highest Level".

At the time Naruto fought Itachi he had fully mastered Rasengan. So Naruto did have incredible chakra control.

If you spit another pointless Opinion at me without any Manga Facts I won't bother listening.

Fully mastered Rasengan = shaping it in one hand :lol
Naruto still able to produce rasengan because he used clones to do so, he is clever, but didnt have the best chakra control yet until he lock down Kyubii completely :lol

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[YellowFang]

Sasuke did break Tsukiyomi but the intensity was way low than that compared to one he used against Kakashi...

And it's a good reason to believe that Kakashi is the only one who took the full hit, because Sasuke was already shitting his pants against a much weakened version.
And even when Sasuke was a kid, he never used a stronger one... Otherwise, taking Kisame's words, that'd have killed Sasuke.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

10/10 thread....
Sasuke was played by Itachi as Obito said. He's eyes were not powerful enough to break out of Tsukiyomi on its own, Itachi let him out of it pretended like Sasuke's broken it to give Sasuke some more fighting spirit.

And Itachi solos.

 

[LastGREATEST]

I dint said that tsukuyomi drains chakra i said in order to release yourself from it does

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Thats the way of cancealing the genjutsu besides the need of the bijus

so it depends at how strong your is chakra, naruto tried that but he failed becouse he wasnt strong enough at that moment

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But sasuke after getting in CM2 his chakra was strong enough to disrupt the chakra flow and cancel the genjutsu

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meaning everyone with far more power then CM2 chakra can break out of tsukuyomi.

What about Orochimaru?

 

[King Of Pop]

=ItachiDaSoloKing;20545606]I was wondering, the Tsukuyomi was considered unbreakable, until Sasuke's fight with Itachi. And now it is just an assumed fact that Tsukuyomi doesn't work on Sasuke. But that is contradicted much more by the manga than it is supported.

yes, sasuke did break it, DB supports it so tsukuyomi is irrelevant against hebi sasuke or at the very least MS sasuke. tsukuyomi is a genjutsu always meant to be broken by sasuke because he fits the criteria.
now lets run through your evidence.

First see what Danzo and Obito had to say about the fight.

yes lets see

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says nothing about tsukuyomi, but that itachi simply could have killed sasuke if he truly wanted which we already know. he had the means of doing that other than tsukuyomi makes this pointless.

the second scan is basically saying the same thing, the result of the fight would have been different if itachi had killing intent, he only wanted to push sasuke to his limits. however no specific aspect of the fight was mentioned, just the result as a whole

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he is not referring to their battle here. rather the illusion he is referring to is itachi playing the role of the bad guy and hiding his true nature, leading sasuke on the path he wished. sasuke didnt know he was doing exactly what itachi had predicted. thats why obito goes on about him killing his kin and so on in the next statements

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what does this have to do with tsukuyomi or even their battle? he is referring to the fact that he spared sasukes life in the massacre or rather why he chose to do so.

Keep in mind the fact that Itachi, was not trying to kill or defeat Sasuke, he was only trying to "Push him to the edge" so to speak, he set up every single part of the fight to go the way he wanted.

yes but not wanting to kill sasuke doesnt mean his tsukuyomi was weakened, thats baseless as he needed to push sasuke to use up his chakra, sasuke broke out before he could feel the full effects as for the bold, he was clueless when sasuke set up kirin so that part of the fight was not planned.

Now with that Said, let's compare the Tsukuyomi he used on Sasuke to the Tsukuyomi he used on Kakashi in P1 and consider what Danzo says.

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Here Danzo stated Specifically that MS Sasuke was Still far below Itachi, but he stated something else very important. That Itachi was much better because he could Control Time with Genjutsu.

he said sasuke was below itachi because of the latters tsukuyomi being superior to sasukes genjutsu and not overall strength so that doesnt prove anything.

Now look at the Tsukuyomi he used on Kakashi!

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Here Itachi and Asuma state that Tsukyomi last 3 days but happens in an "INSTANT" in real life.

correct.

Now look closely at the Tsukuyomi he used on Sasuke. You will see that Itachi didn't use the same Tsukuyomi.

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Kabuto was rushing straight towards them with Orochimaru, and Itachi used Tsukuyomi, to free Sasuke from Sound Genjutsu.(It was only a few seconds in the dream world rather than 3 days). So Itachi can Choose how strong he wants his Tsukuyomi to be, from a few seconds to 3 Whole days.

yes he can choose how long tsukuyomi lasts on his target but that wont matter if the person can break out of it as ill explain later.

If you pay attention to the Zetsu during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight you will see that they were watching them for a while(Proving that Itachi didn't control time and that it was weaker than the one used on Kakashi).

thats because itachi didnt start with tsukuyomi, both of them were using basic 3t genjutsu for a while to feel themselves out as zetsu clearly says and in doing so they didnt move. thats why you see itachi with 3t in that scan

he uses tsukuyomi the instant he goes MS here

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so sorry this doesnt prove your point

Itachi made the Genjutsu on Sasuke Much weaker than the Genjutsu on Kakashi on purpose, because like Obito and Danzo said. Itachi Let sasuke win. If Itachi would have used a full power Tsukuyomi it would have been over for Sasuke but that isn't what he wanted to

your evidence of it being weaker is shaky. now the reason why it would seem that what sasuke experience is different from what kakashi experience is because the former broke it. the effectiveness of tsukuyomi as a torture mechanism doesnt just depend on itachi but also on how the victim responds to it. if the victim cant break it at all then it would last much more, however if the victim can break it then obviously the effects wont last to itachis liking. this is the case with kakashi and sasuke, sasuke broke it so obviously he didnt experience the full effects like kakashi did. but thats not because it was weaker like you claim but because sasuke broke it before it got to that stage (3 days)

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[UnknownJin]

I was wondering, the Tsukuyomi was considered unbreakable, until Sasuke's fight with Itachi. And now it is just an assumed fact that Tsukuyomi doesn't work on Sasuke. But that is contradicted much more by the manga than it is supported.

First see what Danzo and Obito had to say about the fight.

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Keep in mind the fact that Itachi, was not trying to kill or defeat Sasuke, he was only trying to "Push him to the edge" so to speak, he set up every single part of the fight to go the way he wanted.

Now with that Said, let's compare the Tsukuyomi he used on Sasuke to the Tsukuyomi he used on Kakashi in P1 and consider what Danzo says.

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Here Danzo stated Specifically that MS Sasuke was Still far below Itachi, but he stated something else very important. That Itachi was much better because he could Control Time with Genjutsu.

Now look at the Tsukuyomi he used on Kakashi!

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Here Itachi and Asuma state that Tsukyomi last 3 days but happens in an "INSTANT" in real life.

Now look closely at the Tsukuyomi he used on Sasuke. You will see that Itachi didn't use the same Tsukuyomi.

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Kabuto was rushing straight towards them with Orochimaru, and Itachi used Tsukuyomi, to free Sasuke from Sound Genjutsu.(It was only a few seconds in the dream world rather than 3 days). So Itachi can Choose how strong he wants his Tsukuyomi to be, from a few seconds to 3 Whole days.

If you pay attention to the Zetsu during the Itachi vs Sasuke fight you will see that they were watching them for a while(Proving that Itachi didn't control time and that it was weaker than the one used on Kakashi). Itachi made the Genjutsu on Sasuke Much weaker than the Genjutsu on Kakashi on purpose, because like Obito and Danzo said. Itachi Let sasuke win. If Itachi would have used a full power Tsukuyomi it would have been over for Sasuke but that isn't what he wanted to do!

Is this even a question? Ofc not...

 

[Nick01]

I agree, all signs point to it and there's a lot of evidence to back it up.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Ya know what's awesome despite his bs danzo praised itachi despite all the trash talking black zetsu did he praised itachi

 

[00Rinne]

Godtachi didn't put half the amount of effort he could have in taking on Sasuke in they're fight. Sasuke is strong no doubt but fighting some1 who is holding back is not the same as fighting some1 who want's you dead. Godtachi was trying to boost Sasuke not kill him as proven many time as stated.

His 3TS didn't do anything. Godtachi had to back off cause he would've killed him. Taking Orochimaru from Sasuke was a goal of the god had and he accomplished that along with given Sasuke one of the most powerful doujutsu's in NV.

The God once told Sasuke to come with the Mangekyo for their battle but Sasuke failed to do so. The God dumb his power down for Sasuke growth. Tobi/Obito/Madara told him that too.