Did Sasuke actually beat Danzo

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Danzo was about to die but he shortened it by activating that seal thingy. sasuke is the one who caused his death with the chidori through karin.
 

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Eh. Yes, technically he did. Sasuke had discovered Izanagi around the same time Karin did, and Obito didn't physically participate in the fight.

The only real game changer was Obito's presence. He was saving up his chakra and trying to be as cautious as possible, not wanting to over exert himself. Which sort of worked to his advantage, I suppose. He was capable of saving chakra up for the KA.

But failed to use it.
 

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Sasuke caused his death. Therefore, Sasuke defeated Danzo.
 

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Sasuke drove Danzou into a corner to the point where he killed himself to take sasuke down with him of course sasuke won. If you see a guy spewing black shit all over the place screaming I cannot let you live you would run regardless of what a dude in a mask is telling you. Karin fed him information he already knew and tobi just stood there. Danzou holding back his power doesn't make sense seeing as he ran out of chakra and izanagi.
 

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danzo was holding back thinking that he would also take on tobi. He was keeping KA for him also wanting to control him.
 

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For the ppl who give sauke credit for driving him to using a desperat move i disagree. If I drive Guy to use eight gates before I kill him and we both die do I get credit for the win? No, why should I we are both dead. Oro gets credit for beating Hiruzen cuz hiruzen was unable to seal Oro, but if the reaper seal worked they both would have died so do we still say oro won the match cuz he drove Hiruzen to the reaper seal. they are BOTH DEAD. Idk how death results in a win.
 

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While Sasuke did beat Danzo, it was a very pathetic victory, and Danzo had to hold back the entire time due to "Madara".
I'd say Danzo could have killed Sasuke there, yes.
But Danzo did have Sasuke undoubtedly beaten here.
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At that point his KA was working again. However, because "Madara" was there he couldn't decide whether or not to use Shisui'd eye for KA or for Izanagi. If "Madara" weren't there Danzo would have undoubtedly used KA against Sasuke.
 

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Sasuke did beat him, but with help and a heal boost in the end.
It was not a fair fight, but this is the way things go.
 
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What could bring me to ask this question you wonder? Well its this.
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My definition of defeat involves you finishing the enemy off or rendering him incapable of defeating you such as when Hashirama beat Madara the first time but let him live. Danzo had one more move left and ultimately it would have ended in a draw if obito didnt warn and save sasuke. I commend Sasuke for his fight this was one of my fav matches but it seems we just loosely say Sasuke beat Danzo when in fact the match would have been a draw. So imo Sasuke=Danzo.

He didn't "finish him off" but he did render him incapable of fighting. That was just Danzo's Reverse Four Symbols Sealing Technique, a fūinjutsu that the user places across their chest, and sets it to activate upon their death. He was already out of chakra forcing him to cut off his arm, and after being injured from Sasuke's chidori sharp spear, it's safe to say he was incapable of fighting.
 

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Anorien16's answer is the best one to me.
 

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Sasuke did beat him, but with help and a heal boost in the end.
It was not a fair fight, but this is the way things go.

So this just proves Sasuke and friends>Danzo
But my point is your goal in a battle is to come out alive. To defeat someone I must kill them or render all their attempts to kill me useless. If i cant stop/counter Deidara's suicide bomb I dont get a point in the win column cuz im dead. How do you say one person one when they both are dead. Sasuke clearly had a lot of things going for him and even with all this he should be dead. Two people dying is a draw i dont see any logic that says otherwise.
 
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While Sasuke did beat Danzo, it was a very pathetic victory, and Danzo had to hold back the entire time due to "Madara".
I'd say Danzo could have killed Sasuke there, yes.
But Danzo did have Sasuke undoubtedly beaten here.
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At that point his KA was working again. However, because "Madara" was there he couldn't decide whether or not to use Shisui'd eye for KA or for Izanagi. If "Madara" weren't there Danzo would have undoubtedly used KA against Sasuke.

Not sure what KA is, but if it's Kotoamatsukami, it requires around a decade before it can be used again, but this period was drastically reduced through the use of Hashirama Senju's cells. However, despite the additional stamina granted by Hashirama's cells, it is asserted that this technique still can't be used multiple times in a single day, Danzo couldn't use it. Obito was talking about Shishui's eye because Shishui only had MS and not EMS therefore when Danzo used Koto at the Kage summit, Shishui's eye was damaged.
 

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Danzo was borderline equal with Sasuke at the time. But then Sasuke's ms got upgraded in the fight against Kakashi and team seven. And now he has ems.

Danzo fight: Sasuke=>Danzo
Team seven fight: Sasuke>Danzo
Currently: Sasuke>>>Danzo

Remember guys, this was a three way fight. Obito+karin+Sasuke vs Danzo+Torune+Fu

Obito fought those two, So sasuke could fight danzo.

It was a fair fight, not their fault if Torune and Fu aren't very strong. It's not like Karin and Obito did much, they did some, but mostly it was Sasuke vs danzo.
 

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So this just proves Sasuke and friends>Danzo
But my point is your goal in a battle is to come out alive. To defeat someone I must kill them or render all their attempts to kill me useless. If i cant stop/counter Deidara's suicide bomb I dont get a point in the win column cuz im dead. How do you say one person one when they both are dead. Sasuke clearly had a lot of things going for him and even with all this he should be dead. Two people dying is a draw i dont see any logic that says otherwise.

But, if I cannot stop/counter Deidara's suicide bomb, but manages to avoid it, it means that I win. The same happened to Danzo. With help, Sasuke was able to dodge Danzo's last attack. We will never know if Sasuke would be able to avoid by himself, so there's no point discussing this.
But for sure, if either Karin or Obito wasn't there, Danzo would have won
 

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Idk about shishui's eye being damaged. Obito evaluates the situation in that he was just using izanagi until the eye was working again after stating its working again.
 
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Idk about shishui's eye being damaged. Obito evaluates the situation in that he was just using izanagi until the eye was working again after stating its working again.

Oh no I'm sorry, I didn't mean damaged. You know how when you use MS, it affects your eyes, like they bleed and your vision gets blurry, like when premature MS Sasuke used Amaterasu and his eye started to bleed, that's the damage I meant.
 

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But, if I cannot stop/counter Deidara's suicide bomb, but manages to avoid it, it means that I win. The same happened to Danzo. With help, Sasuke was able to dodge Danzo's last attack. We will never know if Sasuke would be able to avoid by himself, so there's no point discussing this.
But for sure, if either Karin or Obito wasn't there, Danzo would have won

Based on the logic of NB memebers driving Deidara to a suicide bomb is a win so I was simply stating that if we both die how does that count as a win. Anyway if sasuke could avoid it im pretty sure he would have without obito's help. Obito can clearly see where sasuke was and deemed it necessary to help him avoid the jutsu. If sasuke was out of its range I doubt Obito would have done so. Anyway glad we agree this is not true Sasuke>Danzo
 

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But, if I cannot stop/counter Deidara's suicide bomb, but manages to avoid it, it means that I win. The same happened to Danzo. With help, Sasuke was able to dodge Danzo's last attack. We will never know if Sasuke would be able to avoid by himself, so there's no point discussing this.
But for sure, if either Karin or Obito wasn't there, Danzo would have won

Remember man, Sasuke had time to react right there versus danzo when shisui's eye was able to be used again.

It would've ended up being whoever strikes first, Shisui's genjutsu or Sasuke's amaterasu. Which both are very fast, and both could've finished them both off at the same time.
 

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Oh no I'm sorry, I didn't mean damaged. You know how when you use MS, it affects your eyes, like they bleed and your vision gets blurry, like when premature MS Sasuke used Amaterasu and his eye started to bleed, that's the damage I meant.

Ohh ok i got you my bad, i shoulda caught that
 
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