[Discussion] Did Rocks had the strongest Crew???

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See Rocks ambition was to become King of the World.
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He assembled a very interesting crew which included the likes of WB, BM, Kaido.
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Some consider it as the Strongest crew ever assembled under one banner but is it True???
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I mean yes 3of the crewmates later became the Yonko in the series but isn't it common that every Yonko had like 3Yonko commander lvl guys in his crew.
But let's dig a lil deep. U see during this era another Pirate had just started his move in NW i.e Gol D Roger.

If u notice he got Silver Rayleigh, Kozuki Oden, Douglas Bullet, Shanks. All these guys are/were Admiral/Yonko lvl guys.
Even Kaido himself remembered that the greatest pirates consist of Roger, Rocks, WB, Oden, Shanks(3 of them comes from Roger and only 2 from Rocks).

One can argue that Shanks was just an apprentice in Roger's crew.
So was Kaido in Rocks crew.

Another argument could be Shiki. Lots of people believe him as a Yonko lvl pirate.
We saw Shiki in Strong World. His greatest achievement was to challenge Roger by gathering a fleet and he lost. He challenged Marines in MF and lost. He escaped Impel Down and lost his legs.
But this reminds me of Captain Buggy. This guy had similar feats like escaping Impel Down, MF, gathering a huge pirate crew/alliance etc and he didn't even lost his limbs lol.

Not to forget Shiki simply left everything saying WB is new PK after Roger's demise.

Other big names in Rocks were:
John, Silver Axe, Wang Zhu which were shown as Zombies in Thriller Bark arc.
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Nothing extra ordinary we got from these guys during Thriller Bark arc. If we compare it with Roger Pirates I believe Scooper Gaban, Crocus and the Fishman guy can prolly take them down.

So in my opinion I believe the strongest crew ever assembled was under Roger.
And SHs need to show how strong they are if they gonna take the PK throne. I mean Roger himself said that SHs will surpass them.
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my theory :

yes rock d xebeck had strongest crew in history of one piece verse..they had current yankos as crew (white beard, big mama,and kaido)..plus other very strong members like shiki..

not only that ...their leader rock xebeck was strongest pirate in his time...and it took him 2 strongest individuals to take him down gold d roger and monkey d garp !!!.

what all these means????...

this means there's a kestion that should be asked...why was rock xebeck eager to creat such a strongest crew in one piece history??????..

answer : BECUZ HE WANTED TO INVAD MARINES AND WORLD GOV THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!...

he wanted to take over teh world !!!!..

gold roger viewed him as bigger threat then celestial dragonz..


black beard is somhow related to rock xebeck (it could be him btw)...black beard is gonna carrry same plan as rock and invad teh world...for that he'll need to aquire teh one piece first..
 

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Oden wasn't Admiral. Bullet is non canon. Shanks was a cabin boy/pre-teen. Shiki from Strong World is Non Canon. His canon version forced Garp and Sengoku to intercede. Ryuma was the Strongest Swordsman and is implied Strongest Man. This didn't spare him from being a corpse beaten with 2 sword Zoro. The manga told you Rocks was the strongest. With his passing the combination of Kaido and Linlin potentially holds that mantle. Everything else is fables and duck tales. Rocks, Whitebeard, Shiki, Linlin, Kaido -- each one of those names is certified. Now consider Silver Axe, Wang and John considered Kaido the cabin boy.


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my theory :

yes rock d xebeck had strongest crew in history of one piece verse..they had current yankos as crew (white beard, big mama,and kaido)..plus other very strong members like shiki..

not only that ...their leader rock xebeck was strongest pirate in his time...and it took him 2 strongest individuals to take him down gold d roger and monkey d garp !!!.

what all these means????...

this means there's a kestion that should be asked...why was rock xebeck eager to creat such a strongest crew in one piece history??????..

answer : BECUZ HE WANTED TO INVAD MARINES AND WORLD GOV THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!...

he wanted to take over teh world !!!!..

Rocks Pirates were strong no doubt about that but if u look in Roger's crew you will find guys like Rayleigh, Shanks, Oden who can more or less can beat WB, Kaido and BM.

I mean we saw if Oden had the support of Yakuza he could have beaten Kaido and his minions 20yrs back.
Shanks n WB clashed which split heaven and Rayleigh can take on BM.
These fights might be mid-high diff.

Shiki I doubt was ever a Yonko lvl player. I don't think he was even a commander lvl guy. On the other hand Bullet is shown as a guy who strength wise is equivalent to Silver Rayleigh (Buggy said that). That means Bullet can take out Shiki easy to neg diff.
I am not even bringing Dukes or Gabban. But Roger Pirates were seriously on whole other level.

About Rocks taken out by 2 guys. U see that period I don't think both Garp n Roger were in there prime.
Take the example of Luffy v Dofflamingo. One can say Luffy needed the help of Law for early shots on Doffy which burnt his organs. But on the basis of this fight we can't say Doffy will be as strong as EOS Luffy.

So it's very hard to gauge how strong Rocks were. I am not saying he was weak. As we saw Kaido's Greatest list. But I believe Roger at his peak was stronger than Prime Rocks. This is why he's looking for the guy who is worthy enough to find One Piece n surpass him bcus that guy will prolly end the hegemony of Celestial Dragons which he couldn't as he knew his time was up.

gold roger viewed him as bigger threat then celestial dragonz..

black beard is somhow related to rock xebeck (it could be him btw)...black beard is gonna carrry same plan as rock and invad teh world...for that he'll need to aquire teh one piece first..
I agree BB is somehow related with Rocks. I made a thread about it few months back.
WB prolly saw BB's intention that's why he said he's not the guy Roger was looking for
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Which is why BB is carving his own path to One Piece. He started hunting for DF so that his crew can take on any force in OPverse and he can forcefully take the PK throne.
 

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Rocks Pirates were strong no doubt about that but if u look in Roger's crew you will find guys like Rayleigh, Shanks, Oden who can more or less can beat WB, Kaido and BM.

I mean we saw if Oden had the support of Yakuza he could have beaten Kaido and his minions 20yrs back.
Shanks n WB clashed which split heaven and Rayleigh can take on BM.
These fights might be mid-high diff.

Shiki I doubt was ever a Yonko lvl player. I don't think he was even a commander lvl guy. On the other hand Bullet is shown as a guy who strength wise is equivalent to Silver Rayleigh (Buggy said that). That means Bullet can take out Shiki easy to neg diff.
I am not even bringing Dukes or Gabban. But Roger Pirates were seriously on whole other level.

About Rocks taken out by 2 guys. U see that period I don't think both Garp n Roger were in there prime.
Take the example of Luffy v Dofflamingo. One can say Luffy needed the help of Law for early shots on Doffy which burnt his organs. But on the basis of this fight we can't say Doffy will be as strong as EOS Luffy.

So it's very hard to gauge how strong Rocks were. I am not saying he was weak. As we saw Kaido's Greatest list. But I believe Roger at his peak was stronger than Prime Rocks. This is why he's looking for the guy who is worthy enough to find One Piece n surpass him bcus that guy will prolly end the hegemony of Celestial Dragons which he couldn't as he knew his time was up.


I agree BB is somehow related with Rocks. I made a thread about it few months back.
WB prolly saw BB's intention that's why he said he's not the guy Roger was looking for
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Which is why BB is carving his own path to One Piece. He started hunting for DF so that his crew can take on any force in OPverse and he can forcefully take the PK throne.
but wasn't shank just a kid when he was menber or maybe aprentice in roger crew???..
also wasn't whitebeard on same or almost one same level as gold roger???..wich means he could beat reilegh and shanks..
also u are compraring them individually...someone vs someone..but im comparing them as whole crew vs whole crew...like rock exebeck himself had powers that equals 2 of strongest men Garp + roger..
 

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Oden wasn't Admiral.
Kaido himself said if Oden had joined hands with Yakuza he could have a chance against Kaido.
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If he wasn't Admiral lvl then how the heck he can take on Kaido?
Not to forget he's in his greatest pirate list which got the likes of WB, Shanks, Roger, Rocks (all Yonko lvl guys).

Shanks was a cabin boy/pre-teen.
Shanks was apprentice same as Kaido was.
Any war he was shown standing with Roger n other big shots.
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Shiki from Strong World is Non Canon. His canon version forced Garp and Sengoku to intercede.
Oda was part of the movie.
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That movie showed Shiki's capabilities. The manga scene where he was standing on the corpse of fodder doesn't show he was Yonko lvl guy..
His fight with Roger was over when he met with an accident. Cough accident. Lmao.
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Ryuma was the Strongest Swordsman and is implied Strongest Man.This didn't spare him from being a corpse beaten with 2 sword Zoro.
wait when was this implied? He is only considered as a legend bcus he killed a Dragon.
Zoro himself killed a Dragon in PH arc.
Also Zoro defeated his zombie form clean.


The manga told you Rocks was the strongest. With his passing the combination of Kaido and Linlin potentially holds that mantle. Everything else is fables and duck tales. Rocks, Whitebeard, Shiki, Linlin, Kaido -- each one of those names is certified. Now consider Silver Axe, Wang and John considered Kaido the cabin boy.


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The Strongest crew was taken out by Roger and Garp.
That means by that time Roger, Garp n prolly Rayleigh took out the strongest crew. Now go add Oden, Dukes n Shanks on Roger's team and you will notice that they will still have a chance to topple Rocks.

Didn't Oden join WB before joining Roger meaning he wasn't part of Roger's crew during Rocks' time.
See I am talking about the strongest crew gathered by the Captain(Rocks n Roger) in there time period. It goes a lil further as what these crewmates did after there initial crew disbanded.
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but wasn't shank just a kid when he was menber or maybe aprentice in roger crew???..
also wasn't whitebeard on same or almost one same level as gold roger???..wich means he could beat reilegh and shanks..
also u are compraring them individually...someone vs someone..but im comparing them as whole crew vs whole crew...like rock exebeck himself had powers that equals 2 of strongest men Garp + roger..
Shanks
-Shanks was an apprentice on Roger who was fighting with Big shots on the journey. U can see him standing with Roger n Rayleigh when Edd War was going to start
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WB, Kaido, BM all made there name after they disbanded. If ppl are counting there strength on the basis of there current status i.e they became a Yonko n got fancy titles then Shanks and Dukes should be also seen as in there Prime form. Let's not forget after Roger execution Shanks made big name clashing with Mihawk. So he wasn't weak.

Roger Pirates v Rocks Pirates
U see when the legendary battle took place Roger didn't have Oden, Dukes or arguably Shanks. Still he defeated them with Rayleigh n Garp. One might say he got Gabban which could be his 2nd Commander lvl guy.
Note the result of the clash. Rocks died. BM, Kaido n WB went there own way. Even without Oden, Shanks n Dukes they defeated Rocks. If we put these guys then I doubt they needed Garp. They could still beat them.
 
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WB, Kaido, BM all made there name after they disbanded. If ppl are counting there strength on the basis of there current status i.e they became a Yonko n got fancy titles then Shanks and Dukes should be also seen as in there Prime form. Let's not forget after Roger execution Shanks made big name clashing with Mihawk. So he wasn't weak.

Roger Pirates v Rocks Pirates
U see when the legendary battle took place Roger didn't have Oden, Dukes or arguably Shanks. Still he defeated them with Rayleigh n Garp. One might say he got Gabban which could be his 2nd Commander lvl guy.
Note the result of the clash. Rocks died. BM, Kaido n WB went there own way. Even without Oden, Shanks n Dukes they defeated Rocks. If we put these guys then I doubt they needed Garp. They could still beat them.
current yankos made names of themselves after they got disbanded????...dude u saw big moma strenght in elbaf when she was just little gurl or not???..and soon im sure we will see kaido flashback story too...

do u think rock xebek was dumb to just pick individualz randomly????...

also remenber when kaido mentioned list of pipole who can challenge him in fight we saw silhouette of xebeck...

they become yankos not becuz they were menbers of rock crew but becuz they theselves were so strong !!!..

also i wouldn't count oden as roger groupe...i think he belong to wb crew...

lets sum tis up : lets pick strongest menbers of each crew roger vs rock :

roger crew : gold d roger, silver reilegh, shanks........vs rock exebek, white beard and big mom (fine i won't includ kaido)....who u think is strongest????..u do teh math bro...
 
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I have to change your post a lil to explain my view points better.

do u think rock xebek was dumb to just pick individualz randomly????...
Rocks didn't pick anybody. They all gathered on an island and formed Rocks Pirate.
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also remenber when kaido mentioned list of pipole who can challenge him in fight we saw silhouette of xebeck....
Yes we saw Rocks, WB, Oden, Roger n Shanks. Please note during this period Kaido was just an apprentice on Rocks ship. He believed in Rocks ideology of becoming king of OPverse.
But note in the same list there's no mention of BM or Shiki. Which proves he doesn't consider them as great as the other guys are/were. Not to forget this list was supposed to be the list of ppl who can fight him. And I count 3ppl from Roger's Crew n only 2 from Rocks.

current yankos made names of themselves after they got disbanded????...dude u saw big moma strenght in elbaf when she was just little gurl or not???..and soon im sure we will see kaido flashback story too...

they become yankos not becuz they were menbers of rock crew but becuz they theselves were so strong !!!..
Yes BM was natural. She had strength from early childhood. But if u see the silhouette u will see Garp n Roger fighting Rocks pirate(Kaido, BM, WB n Rocks)
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I believe even Rayleigh n Gabban also interfered n stopped Rocks underlings but if these 2 can end Rocks reign then toh Oden, Dukes n Shanks will be enough to replace Garp n produce the same result.

Also u say they were strong from the starting but manga differs.
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also i wouldn't count oden as roger groupe...i think he belong to wb crew...
Wrong.
"There was a pirate in Wano favoured by WB, Shanks and Roger".
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And we know he spent a good chunk of his adventure on Roger's ship.

Why do u think WB never attacked Kaido even tho he killed Oden (his former 2nd div commander)?
-Bcus he never returned to WB's ship after he found One Piece.
So ideally he was no longer a member of WB's group.

lets sum tis up : lets pick strongest menbers of each crew roger vs rock :

roger crew : gold d roger, silver reilegh, shanks........vs rock exebek, white beard and big mom (fine i won't includ kaido)....who u think is strongest????..u do teh math bro...
Roger will fight Xebec (high diff)
Rayleigh will fight WB (high diff)
Gabban/Shanks will fight BM (high diff) <if it's current Shanks, he could prolly med dif BM without Gabban>
If u want u can put Kaido and lemme put Oden n it will be another high diff fight.
 
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I have to change your post a lil to explain my view points better.


Rocks didn't pick anybody. They all gathered on an island and formed Rocks Pirate.
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Yes we saw Rocks, WB, Oden, Roger n Shanks. Please note during this period Kaido was just an apprentice on Rocks ship. He believed in Rocks ideology of becoming king of OPverse.
But note in the same list there's no mention of BM or Shiki. Which proves he doesn't consider them as great as the other guys are/were. Not to forget this list was supposed to be the list of ppl who can fight him. And I count 3ppl from Roger's Crew n only 2 from Rocks.


Yes BM was natural. She had strength from early childhood. But if u see the silhouette u will see Garp n Roger fighting Rocks pirate(Kaido, BM, WB n Rocks)
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I believe even Rayleigh n Gabban also interfered n stopped Rocks underlings but if these 2 can end Rocks reign then toh Oden, Dukes n Shanks will be enough to replace Garp n produce the same result.

Also u say they were strong from the starting but manga differs.
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Wrong.
"There was a pirate in Wano favoured by WB, Shanks and Roger".
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And we know he spent a good chunk of his adventure on Roger's ship.

Why do u think WB never attacked Kaido even tho he killed Oden (his former 2nd div commander)?
-Bcus he never returned to WB's ship after he found One Piece.
So ideally he was no longer a member of WB's group.


Roger will fight Xebec (high diff)
Rayleigh will fight WB (high diff)
Gabban/Shanks will fight BM (high diff) <if it's current Shanks, he could prolly med dif BM without Gabban>
If u want u can put Kaido and lemme put Oden n it will be another high diff fight.
oden joined roger but that happened only after negotiations...joining gold roger was only exeptions...it happened after permisison from wb..

wb supported roger thats why he took care of ace and let oden join roger pirates ..

wb didn't attack kaido not becuz of reason u mentioned lol...

im prettty sure rock xebeck >>>>> roger d gold...

and also pretty sure that wb>>>>> reileigh... wb only peer oponent was gold roger..

and kaido >>>>>> oden bro for god sake!!!!!..
 
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oden joined roger but that happened only after negotiations...joining gold roger was only exeptions...it happened after permisison from wb..

wb supported roger thats why he took care of ace and let oden join roger pirates ..
It doesn't matter if WB let him go or not. Oden wanted to travel with Roger.
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WB never wanted him to leave his ship. He looked pissed as hell.
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But to better explain this with another scenario- Do u think Jinbei belongs to Sun Pirates group not SHs?
- Of course he's a SH now same way Oden was a Roger Pirate.

If Oden went back to WB's then you could have said that he belonged to WB not Roger but he didn't.

wb didn't attack kaido not becuz of reason u mentioned lol...
WB didn't attacked bcus he don't want to loose more ppl. That's the argument you want to use correct?
But we literally saw what WB did when Ace was about to be executed at MF.
What did WB did when Oden was about to be executed at Wano? Nothing. And its not like Yonkos don't fight. We already learned that Shanks had fought with Kaido and in one of the scans I posted in this thread it was mentioned BM and Kaido also fight like dog n cat.

im prettty sure rock xebeck >>>>> roger d gold...

and also pretty sure that wb>>>>> reileigh... wb only peer oponent was gold roger..


and kaido >>>>>> oden bro for god sake!!!!!..
1)Nothing suggest Rocks was greater/stronger guy than Roger. Rather in the silhouette u can see Roger n Garp took down Rocks, Kaido, WB and BM.
Heck Roger saying someone will be born and surpass them means Roger Pirates were at the top of the food chain.
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If Rocks were stronger than Roger Pirates then he would not have said that. Rather he would have said like the one who will be born will eventually surpass Rocks legacy.

2)You are downplaying Rayleigh. The guy is retired and still handled Kizaru pretty well in Sabody Arch...Arc
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Even Kizaru himself understand the situation he's in. U can see the cut he got here. The same Kizaru who had like zero injuries in MF arc and he casually was holding Whitebeards Bisento with his leg
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Now we can all agree that WB got his title and Yonko status after he left Rocks correct but Rayleigh most prolly got his title and his prime when he was part of Roger. So if u want to compare them when they were on the ship of Rocks/Roger than u will notice Rayleigh can actually beat that WB as they lost to Roger n Garp.

This should also explain Oden and Kaido. Kaido was apprentice on Rocks and Oden was full fledged hot head when he was on Roger's ship. If u wanna compare them at there prime then Kaido himself said that Oden had a chance if he had joined forces with Hyogoro's Yakuza. Something that was again stressed when Hyogoro was about to die.
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