Did Oro raise an edo who is raoming around as Madara?

[Nittskay]

Kabuto stated that even if the user dies the jutsu won't be cancled.

+1

I don't feel much for this theory, but people don't read the ****ing manga.

 

[Sasuke2]

My answer to this thread: NO!
But nice try

 

[Avani 👑]

My answer to this thread: NO!
But nice try

You just wait till next week!

( Unless Kishi decides to troll us and we end up at some other part of the battle field!! >_O )

 

[Hammy120290]

For the Hashirama and Zetsu idea for his body check these pics.

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[-Kratos-]

no madara/tobi is not an edo of oro because if he was, he would have died or turned to dust when oro died or got sealed..

The revived are impossible to kill by normal means. Any damage they receive will regenerate, be it lost limbs or complete disintegration. Not even killing the summoner will get rid of them.

Even if Oro died, the edo acting as Madara would be still alive though this can be true as a lot of years passed since Madara was young, the question that still remains is: how did he manage to extent his life?

 

[veggetta13]

I see light as something necessary.

It is very illuminating, reading about someone who actually thought, as curious and devouring, the idea that as far as we know, Madara, in his days, let`s say, if alive after the fight with Hashirama, maybe in his 40`s was not such a scientist. While Orochiamaru was probably at the zenith of his gogo madness with forbidden justus.

Nice theory man

 

[Avani 👑]

For the Hashirama and Zetsu idea for his body check these pics.

Those pictures were the things which gave me this idea.

Even if Oro died, the edo acting as Madara would be still alive though this can be true as a lot of years passed since Madara was young, the question that still remains is: how did he manage to extent his life?

I don't understand you. If he is edo where does the question of extending life come into picture?

I see light as something necessary.

It is very illuminating, reading about someone who actually thought, as curious and devouring, the idea that as far as we know, Madara, in his days, let`s say, if alive after the fight with Hashirama, maybe in his 40`s was not such a scientist. While Orochiamaru was probably at the zenith of his gogo madness with forbidden justus.

Nice theory man

Thank you.

 

[+Kyon+]

Read it on ur own coz its full of grammetical mistakesxdlol
I dont think so that madara is an edo summon. Coz . . .
1. If he is an edo,then there should b some kinda of dust or papers when minato hit him with rasengen.
2. Same 4 konan's paper blast tech, but there is not dust or paper like other other edo kage or ninja.
3. When konan hit him with her large amount of paper blast,then there is blood,coming outside from madara's hand n mouth. And we all know that all edo summon are blood less body.
4. Kabuto called him 'so you are know as madara now a days' or something like that. That means,if he was an edo summon by oro then kabuto sure know abt it.
5. Lets according 2 you,if madara was summon by oro,then how could he know everything abt uchiha's,so6p and minato's family.
6. The age gap between madara and oro is abt 50 years,(madara 105 n oro 54). according 2 u,Madara was dead aftr fight againt 1st. That means he was dead at the age of abt 40. And oro leave(left) konoha when he was abt 22-24 years old coz of his experiments. That means oro summom madara aftr 40 year of his death(14+24=39,abt 40years lets). Then there is no way that madara can b know everything(his currently knowledge) and planning so much 4 moon eye plan.
8. Madara said that, he gave the nagato rinnegen(btw i dont know that its true or lie), the age when nagato was abt 6-7 during the 3rd world war. Plus that time oro was still in/with konoha/jiraiya n tsunade. That means madara was still alive when oro didnt know abt edo(coz oro start his experiments aftr 3rd world war).
9. No body found the dead body of madara aftr his fight against 1st hokage,so how could oro got his dna/blood/body??
10. Madara allmost know everything abt konoha and its jutsus but not abt edo/iwr. If he was an edo summon that mean he surely know something abt edo summon jutsu.and according 2 you he escoped himself from edo/iwr and oro's control,that means he know every thing abt it(edo/iwr jutsu). Now if its true,then why did he ask 2 kabuto abt this jutsu(edo summon/iwr) and also asked that how 2 summon someone via edo/iwr. If he dont know,how 2 summon via iwr,then how could he got out of control from this jutsu/oro.

So all i think is that madara is not an edo. But not sure abt his true identity,idk who is he. May be real madara or obito or tobi or a non uchiha coz his sharingan is always active like kakashi
And may be real madara is in the last coffin,whos know?? I have 2 wait till next manga.
(sorry 4 my grammar mistakes,spelling mistakes etc etc:ghehe: but hope u can understand what i want 2 sayxd)

 

[Overridea]

I also thought Madara may have been an edo created and then left uncontrolled and allowed to roam free, however I thought it may have been the second Hokage the creator of the technique who would not have known all the effects of this new jutsu who would have done it. In the end however I decided this could not be the case for a couple reasons.

First and what I consider most important is that Madara is not completely immortal like the edos are, in his fight with Konan he is forced to use Izanagi to save his life. If he was an edo he could have been destroyed early on and then come back to life when the explosions were over without sacrificing either of his eyes, he has lots of them but Uchihas are in short supply at the moment and each one is precious.

Second he claims he fought the first Hokage in order to obtain his DNA for some future plot, that plot being this war using the Zetsus made from that DNA. Due to the time required for this plan to come to fruition He must have had a plan to live much longer than the average human at the time of that fight. This is way before Akatsuki was formed or Orochimaru was even born. How could he guarantee he would be revived in the future by a madman and retain his willpower and abilities. Leaving something like that to chance doesnt seem like Madara, and it is clear he has no knowledge of the workings of edo tensei when he forces Kabuto to tell him about it. Not knowing the inner workings of the jutsu acting as the backbone of your plan would just be stupid.

Finally Anyone who says an edo can't live after the caster dies needs to learn to read! 521 page 3 ... i cant post links:shrug:

 

[Avani 👑]

Read it on ur own coz its full of grammetical mistakesxdlol
I dont think so that madara is an edo summon. Coz . . .
1. If he is an edo,then there should b some kinda of dust or papers when minato hit him with rasengen.
2. Same 4 konan's paper blast tech, but there is not dust or paper like other other edo kage or ninja.
3. When konan hit him with her large amount of paper blast,then there is blood,coming outside from madara's hand n mouth. And we all know that all edo summon are blood less body.
4. Kabuto called him 'so you are know as madara now a days' or something like that. That means,if he was an edo summon by oro then kabuto sure know abt it.
5. Lets according 2 you,if madara was summon by oro,then how could he know everything abt uchiha's,so6p and minato's family.
6. The age gap between madara and oro is abt 50 years,(madara 105 n oro 54). according 2 u,Madara was dead aftr fight againt 1st. That means he was dead at the age of abt 40. And oro leave(left) konoha when he was abt 22-24 years old coz of his experiments. That means oro summom madara aftr 40 year of his death(14+24=39,abt 40years lets). Then there is no way that madara can b know everything(his currently knowledge) and planning so much 4 moon eye plan.
8. Madara said that, he gave the nagato rinnegen(btw i dont know that its true or lie), the age when nagato was abt 6-7 during the 3rd world war. Plus that time oro was still in/with konoha/jiraiya n tsunade. That means madara was still alive when oro didnt know abt edo(coz oro start his experiments aftr 3rd world war).9. No body found the dead body of madara aftr his fight against 1st hokage,so how could oro got his dna/blood/body??
10. Madara allmost know everything abt konoha and its jutsus but not abt edo/iwr. If he was an edo summon that mean he surely know something abt edo summon jutsu.and according 2 you he escoped himself from edo/iwr and oro's control,that means he know every thing abt it(edo/iwr jutsu). Now if its true,then why did he ask 2 kabuto abt this jutsu(edo summon/iwr) and also asked that how 2 summon someone via edo/iwr. If he dont know,how 2 summon via iwr,then how could he got out of control from this jutsu/oro.

So all i think is that madara is not an edo. But not sure abt his true identity,idk who is he. May be real madara or obito or tobi or a non uchiha coz his sharingan is always active like kakashi
And may be real madara is in the last coffin,whos know?? I have 2 wait till next manga.
(sorry 4 my grammar mistakes,spelling mistakes etc etc:ghehe: but hope u can understand what i want 2 sayxd)

Great analysis despite grmmatical mistakes. That 8th point alone is worth 10 reps.

I made the thread randomly at 2 o cloclk at night just because I was awake. I also knowingly ignored some arguments against the theory.

But, I had forgotten all about that time frame you raised in 8 th point. Oro seem to have gone got his hang up with immoratlity as a kid ever since his parent's death. so we really have no idea when he started his experiments with raising the dead. He offered Tsunade to let her meet her brother and lover once again- god knows if he tried to meet his parents this way! Something he and Sasori seem to have in common.

It's just an idea.. seeing Oro is still in the atmosphere somehow and I was thinking about the purpose to bring him up again.

 

[+Kyon+]

Great analysis despite grmmatical mistakes. That 8th point alone is worth 10 reps.

I made the thread randomly at 2 o cloclk at night just because I was awake. I also knowingly ignored some arguments against the theory.

But, I had forgotten all about that time frame you raised in 8 th point. Oro seem to have gone got his hang up with immoratlity as a kid ever since his parent's death. so we really have no idea when he started his experiments with raising the dead. He offered Tsunade to let her meet her brother and lover once again- god knows if he tried to meet his parents this way! Something he and Sasori seem to have in common.

It's just an idea.. seeing Oro is still in the atmosphere somehow and I was thinking about the purpose to bring him up again.

Well only kishi know abt madaraxd lol
But i'm agree on ur point that oro is still alive coz a brat like sasuke cant kill him and i'm sure kishi will show him at the end of war/at madara's death or aftr war. I just want 2 see oro again

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

No because Tobi is Madara. And Oro has been defeated by Sasuke and sealed by Itachi so an edo Tobi would just go away

 

[Avani 👑]

No because Tobi is Madara. And Oro has been defeated by Sasuke and sealed by Itachi so an edo Tobi would just go away

This counter argument is more weak than the theory I posted at middle of the night/erly morning. U_U

See other comments about it. lol

 

[-Kratos-]

I don't understand you. If he is edo where does the question of extending life come into picture?

If he isn't an edo he must have chosen a way how to stay alive, though Madara can be an edo!

 

[Avani 👑]

If he isn't an edo he must have chosen a way how to stay alive, though Madara can be an edo!

It is a really good plot to keep so many unanswered questions this long and keep the readers making wild guesses. I hope Kishi is able to secure all the lose threads neatly at the end.

 

[Dragonfly X]

Plus, and not sure if this has been mentioned, but why would he use Izanagi against Konan if he simply would have regenerated?

 

[Avani 👑]

Plus, and not sure if this has been mentioned, but why would he use Izanagi against Konan if he simply would have regenerated?

Well..

Plus+ what happenned when Oro released the tech when he realised that Madara had gotten out of control of his tech ( if it happenned)

Because under given conditions Orochimaru must have released the edo and tried to put Madara back in - that solves the part about his regenration problem - and why he he needs to replace parts instead on instantly growing it back himself.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

A weak argument for a weak theory I guess.

There's no need for me to give a long therough argument cuz if I remember correctly you can't handle my long speeches.

But yea the only argument I need is the fact that Tobi is Madara and that Oro is gone. No need for me to waste my time to read any of the other comments.

 

[Avani 👑]

A weak argument for a weak theory I guess.

You guess means you re not sure. You are not sure means I made you doubt your own conviction. And that makes this theory not-weak.

There's no need for me to give a long therough argument cuz if I remember correctly you can't handle my long speeches.
But yea the only argument I need is the fact that Tobi is Madara and that Oro is gone. No need for me to waste my time to read any of the other comments.

Actually that was off topic and false comment. Get over yourself. You will get crushed if you will provoke me needlessly.

It is a theory- I am throwing out possible ideas and explanations to think over.

Thre was no need to waste your time typing that last line and showing your big mouth is planted on a big head to match. Reading other posts have educated you a bit about Oro.

 

[NarutoVsGoku]

You guess means you re not sure. You are not sure means I made you doubt your own conviction. And that makes this theory not-weak.

Actually that was off topicand false comment. Get over yourself. You will get crushed if you will provoke me needlessly.

It is a theory- I am throwing out possible ideas and explanations to think over.

Thre was no need to waste your time typing that last line and showing your big mouth is planted on a big head as well. Reading other posts have educated you a bit about Oro.

Doubt my conviction? I wouldn't say that. What makes your theory weak is not that said so, but the fact that you said so.

Lol no not false at all. I remember you saying my long speeches bore you so I do my best to keep it short and simple for you lol

Haha crushed? By who? You? I think it'd be worth provoking you to see you try

I understand it's a theory and a "food for thought" but like I said Oros gone so it can't be. Plus soo many other things like the fact that Madara never died.........

Lol "big mouth" and "big head"? Do I come off arrogant? Before commenting on a thread most of the time I read everyones posts before commenting but I didn't feel it was necessary for this one. I just wanted to get my 2 cents out there.