[Discussion] Did Luffy's Training during Timeskip actually help?

[SSS12]

Before you jump the gun, hear me out first please.

Alright, we have an idea as to how strong Luffy is now after the TS. Luffy trained with Rayleigh, a Haki Master, for 1.5 years and 6 months on his own. He went from being ignorant of Haki to a skilled Haki user by training.

But now the question is didn't People like Law, Kid, Drake (probably) too? That too without actually taking a break from being a pirate. They are on the same tier and some even believe that the only other rival SN whose abilities we've seen relative extensively, Law, seems stronger than Luffy. And many also believe Kid > = Luffy.

So what was the point of the training break then, if the growth rate was still the same? It seemed more like insurance so that the crew wouldn't get wiped out right away, to reduce the risk (very unlike Luffy). But then Kid Pirates and Heart Pirates made it and survived in the New World just fine. So this means that:

1. Law and Kid were stronger than Luffy Pre TS and knew Haki, but because the blackening effect wasn't there and haki wasn't developed as well as now, we couldn't know they had it.
2. They were on the same tier but learned haki and got stronger just as quickly as Luffy who was training on an isolated island with Rayleigh just to get stronger.

I understand that Oda has to keep the story interesting and all, and if Luffy is stronger than his rivals, he would get ahead of them in the race. But then Luffy could have gotten new rivals and the old ones could have served some other purpose. Because Luffy's training doesn't seem like it got him stronger at any rate faster than he was already growing.

You may argue that in surviving in the NW, you'll have to face real threats and get stronger that way, but you're not gonna run into threats or enemies who will make you stronger everyday for 2 years, nor can you train hard everyday while sailing, unlike Luffy who trained hard every single day.

I didn't talk about Zoro since we haven't seen his limits just yet.

 

[Artesia]

Kid and Law were stronger than Luffy before time skip, also He has gotten stronger by learning Haki, but so have the others by fighting Pirates and Navy actively

 

[Tomato God]

Honestly luffy is far ahead of Kidd or Law. They learned from trial in error real world style. While Luffy learned from a master. The only reason Luffy is being portrayed as such is for dramatic storytelling purpose. Why do you think luffy isn't a bit scared of yonkos. After he lost his crew at SA to kuma he had to come to grips with his lack of immortality and we even see him break down in tears when Ace dies further instilling in him the fear of loss and death and suffering.
So then why isn't he afraid of yonkos all the sudden?! Why isn't he scared of losing his crew. Luffy is 100% confident that he can match a yonko in combat and protect his crew. And so is rayleigh as seen when he told luffy to go straight to the top, right past the yonkos.

Its not like he doens't know what monsters they are. He has seen admirals. He has seen WB wreck an island. But because of his training he knows he is 100% capable of taking it all on. Thats not something we can say about his rivals.

 

[silmarill]

I think the future will prove Luffy is actually > rest of SN
The Strawhats were the only ones who did it the 'correct' way and stopped to train for 2 years so they have the advantage in my opinion..But this is all speculation. Same as people who believe Kid >Luffy .. it's based on nothing actually

 

[SSS12]

Kid and Law were stronger than Luffy before time skip, also He has gotten stronger by learning Haki, but so have the others by fighting Pirates and Navy actively

We can specualte they were stronger now in hindsight. But when we saw them Pre-TS, Luffy seemed the strongest, atleast to me. I mean, they were all equals during the 3 captains vs Marines scuffle outside the auction hall. And later both Kid and Law had to combine crews to take down a Pacifista while SHs did it by themselves.

Honestly luffy is far ahead of Kidd or Law. They learned from trial in error real world style. While Luffy learned from a master. The only reason Luffy is being portrayed as such is for dramatic storytelling purpose. Why do you think luffy isn't a bit scared of yonkos. After he lost his crew at SA to kuma he had to come to grips with his lack of immortality and we even see him break down in tears when Ace dies further instilling in him the fear of loss and death and suffering.
So then why isn't he afraid of yonkos all the sudden?! Why isn't he scared of losing his crew. Luffy is 100% confident that he can match a yonko in combat and protect his crew. And so is rayleigh as seen when he told luffy to go straight to the top, right past the yonkos.

Its not like he doens't know what monsters they are. He has seen admirals. He has seen WB wreck an island. But because of his training he knows he is 100% capable of taking it all on. Thats not something we can say about his rivals.

Luffy has never been afraid of anyone, even those who were far superior to him, like taking on 3 admirals at once. But it doesn't mean he can actually take them. Same goes for Yonko. Law said they only have a 30-35% chance of taking down a Yonko together, yet Luffy challenged BM by himself. Confidence =/ Strength.

 

[Tomato God]

Luffy has never been afraid of anyone, even those who were far superior to him, like taking on 3 admirals at once. But it doesn't mean he can actually take them. Same goes for Yonko. Law said they only have a 30-35% chance of taking down a Yonko together, yet Luffy challenged BM by himself. Confidence =/ Strength.

Luffy was never afraid of people. Till he lost his crew and his brother. Then he wasn't afraid of anyone. He was afraid of everyone. He had to be beaten into becoming a pirate again and the whole reason he did put back on the straw hat was because he felt like he could protect everyone.
And while normally confidence =/= strength. Luffy's drastic change on his ability to protect his crew indicates that his confidence comes from strength.

 

[Artesia]

How does Laws ability work, why didnt he just cut Kuma in half, or the admirals

 

[Tomato God]

How does Laws ability work, why didnt he just cut Kuma in half, or the admirals

His fruit is the Ope Ope no mi roughly tranlating to Operation Operation fruit. His sphere or room he creates is an operating table. And if you have strong enough haki you can resist the Dissections.
All his attacks are based on real surgeries Shambles Is amputation
Radio knife is paralyzing and amputation
Counter shock is defibrillation
And all this can be countered by hardening ones body inside his room.

Weak haki though wont help you.
Thats why he can't just use it on top tiers. They have beast mode haki.

 

[SSS12]

Luffy was never afraid of people. Till he lost his crew and his brother. Then he wasn't afraid of anyone. He was afraid of everyone. He had to be beaten into becoming a pirate again and the whole reason he did put back on the straw hat was because he felt like he could protect everyone.
And while normally confidence =/= strength. Luffy's drastic change on his ability to protect his crew indicates that his confidence comes from strength.

Then isn't he overconfident? Because if an admiral comes out to play, with the SHs, God save the SHs because Luffy wouldn't be able to. Certainly not all of them.

 

[Tomato God]

Then isn't he overconfident? Because if an admiral comes out to play, with the SHs, God save the SHs because Luffy wouldn't be able to. Certainly not all of them.

Its partially over confidence. But also Partly trust in himself.
No can current luffy beat an admiral no. But can he protect his crew from an admiral yes.
Luffy went from crying in the fetal position asking what is wrong with himself for not being able to protect his friends from a few fodder to charging at Anything and everything. There must have been a reason for his confidence to come back.

 

[Artesia]

Its partially over confidence. But also Partly trust in himself.
No can current luffy beat an admiral no. But can he protect his crew from an admiral yes.
Luffy went from crying in the fetal position asking what is wrong with himself for not being able to protect his friends from a few fodder to charging at Anything and everything. There must have been a reason for his confidence to come back.

Luffy has trust in his crew mates, they have been training for 2 years =D

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I think, while it may seem that they're on the same league, and that, maybe, Luffy would have get the same growth as the other supernova you mentioned, were he out to sea like them, or isolated, there's one clear difference that means the world.

The supernova grew, possibly, at the same rate as the Straw Hats during the time-skip. But in terms of world progression, during the 2 years they're no where near their ultimate goal, which we've seen, in the case of Kidd and Law, to be One Piece. And that is a major difference. They're in the New World wrecking havoc, but all that is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Even though they've conquered islands, made enemies, made allies, I dare say they're just as close to One Piece as the Straw Hats were, in their stagnant isolation.

And now that Luffy's set out to sea, he's spearheading towards One Piece. In terms of power and strength, they might be equal. But Luffy is not wandering around, they never do. They're on a clear path to the goal, and they're much further ahead than any of the Supernova. They are the winning boat, and their havoc has a purpose, and they achieved this much already and it's not even a year, many of the supernova aren't even on this level, after two level.

My point is, power, sure, might have been the same, but progression, no, the Straw Hats, because they waited, were much better prepared

 

[Fireplay]

Law and Kid became stronger through experience and learned while fighting others. If Luffy had gone to the NW at his pre-skip level there wouldn't be any insurance that he'd come back alive. Law and Kid took that chance and made it while Luffy trained to make sure he can protect his crew before staring death in the eyes again.

I mean look at Kid, the dude has a HUGE scar on him and Law's crew is nowhere to be seen whereas Luffy and his crew are in perfect shape because they stayed behind and trained.

I don't know what happened to Kid but whatever it was, Luffy trained to avoid that.

 

[ANiMUS]

If Luffy would have entered the new world the way he was he would have run the risk of running into top tier Pirates and being able to do nothing about it. Luffy experienced that kinda thing with Kuma and he doesn't wanna go through that again. There r a lot more Haki users in the new world so one of Luffy's main defenses (rubber body) would be nulled. As far as strength, I thing Luffy is the strongest of the Supernova except Kidd. Luffy's speed, reflexes, and Kenboshoku>Law's so Luffy could definitely take Law either by skill, or by just letting Law use up his stamina.

Not to mention this wasn't just for Luffy. Everyone in his crew gained indispensable skills from their training, so the SHs r now much stronger as a crew.

Kidd one the other hand with his powers should be sporting a Haki laced Railgun, and might even be able to use the New World Islands' strange magnetic fields.

 

[U mAd]

well i believe luffy should be the strongest super nova now.other whys the 2 years would be a waste.i don't know why kid is overrarted by some people what's he gonna do to luffy any way.hit him with metal.and it's not like he carries chunks of metals where ever he goes in case of a fight,kid would be a beast in a war but 1 on 1 on a neutral ground against an opponent of the same caliber like luffy/law/drake he wouldn't be much of a challenge.

 

[SSS12]

I think, while it may seem that they're on the same league, and that, maybe, Luffy would have get the same growth as the other supernova you mentioned, were he out to sea like them, or isolated, there's one clear difference that means the world.

The supernova grew, possibly, at the same rate as the Straw Hats during the time-skip. But in terms of world progression, during the 2 years they're no where near their ultimate goal, which we've seen, in the case of Kidd and Law, to be One Piece. And that is a major difference. They're in the New World wrecking havoc, but all that is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Even though they've conquered islands, made enemies, made allies, I dare say they're just as close to One Piece as the Straw Hats were, in their stagnant isolation.

And now that Luffy's set out to sea, he's spearheading towards One Piece. In terms of power and strength, they might be equal. But Luffy is not wandering around, they never do. They're on a clear path to the goal, and they're much further ahead than any of the Supernova. They are the winning boat, and their havoc has a purpose, and they achieved this much already and it's not even a year, many of the supernova aren't even on this level, after two level.

My point is, power, sure, might have been the same, but progression, no, the Straw Hats, because they waited, were much better prepared

You cannot say Kidd is no closer to his goal Luffy when we haven't seen much from him. It's likely he has tussled with the crew members of a Yonko and knows about them in detail. That makes it easier to bring down a Yonko. And he may gained a lot more allies. You can't say others are wandering around for no reason.

Law and Kid became stronger through experience and learned while fighting others. If Luffy had gone to the NW at his pre-skip level there wouldn't be any insurance that he'd come back alive. Law and Kid took that chance and made it while Luffy trained to make sure he can protect his crew before staring death in the eyes again.

I mean look at Kid, the dude has a HUGE scar on him and Law's crew is nowhere to be seen whereas Luffy and his crew are in perfect shape because they stayed behind and trained.

I don't know what happened to Kid but whatever it was, Luffy trained to avoid that.

For all we know, even the present Kid/Luffy would have suffered the same injuries as Kid did against whoever did that to him. We have nothing to go on. Besides, Law seems perfectly fine. Just because he's not with his crew doesn't mean he's in trouble. Law isn't like Luffy who just wreaks havoc everywhere he goes and gets into trouble.

If Luffy would have entered the new world the way he was he would have run the risk of running into top tier Pirates and being able to do nothing about it. Luffy experienced that kinda thing with Kuma and he doesn't wanna go through that again. There r a lot more Haki users in the new world so one of Luffy's main defenses (rubber body) would be nulled. As far as strength, I thing Luffy is the strongest of the Supernova except Kidd. Luffy's speed, reflexes, and Kenboshoku>Law's so Luffy could definitely take Law either by skill, or by just letting Law use up his stamina.

Not to mention this wasn't just for Luffy. Everyone in his crew gained indispensable skills from their training, so the SHs r now much stronger as a crew.

Kidd one the other hand with his powers should be sporting a Haki laced Railgun, and might even be able to use the New World Islands' strange magnetic fields.

Luffy could definitely take Law? There is no definite result when two equals clash. Nami learned how to navigate in the NW. And Kid's crew and Bepo navigated without any formal training just fine. Like I said, the way things are portrayed, they all would have reached this level of power anyway, even without a break. Besides, it's not about the crew, I'm talking about Luffy.

well i believe luffy should be the strongest super nova now.other whys the 2 years would be a waste.i don't know why kid is overrarted by some people what's he gonna do to luffy any way.hit him with metal.and it's not like he carries chunks of metals where ever he goes in case of a fight,kid would be a beast in a war but 1 on 1 on a neutral ground against an opponent of the same caliber like luffy/law/drake he wouldn't be much of a challenge.

We have seen nothing of Kid after TS. But his Magnetism is not to be taken lightly. Oh, he would be a great challenge, but I wonder who would come out on top.