Did Kurama prove Natural energy is 8.5x Normal Chakra?

[Mellanoma]

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In this depiction we clearly see Naruto's .5 Kurama two Natural energy attacks clashing with Sasuke's 8.5 bijuu Indra arrow.


While most people will disagree with the .5 vs 8.5 stuff I would like to point out something very distinctive.

Through the VOTE2 fight Kurama was providing both Natural Energy and Chakra to Naruto.

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What does this mean? Sasuke truly indeed needed the bijuu to combat the capabilities of Natural energy by using normal Chakra.

Lets review this picture again:

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Clearly Kurama is gathering Natural energy


However Sasuke (Who had the bijuu under genjutsu) could not use the BIjuu for natural energy and thus gathered raw chakra from them.

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To me this means Sasuke knew he couldn't combat the raw power of Natural energy and thus tried to rely on an overwhelming amount of raw chakra.

In the end... They drawed with Sasuke admitting defeat.

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Meaning... Sasuke with 8.5 Bijuu (Using normal chakra) was = to Naruto with .5 Kurama using Natural energy

Thus Natural energy is atleast 8x the strength of Normal Chakra.


Another example of this is Hashirama vs MAdara :

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Natural Energy Mokuton combated the output of Chakra Perfect Susanoo AND 100% Kyuubi using Chakra only.



Thoughts?

 

[iConquer]

I like it but its old, Sasuke Lost like how many years ago? 4, 5?

 

[Mellanoma]

I like it but its old, Sasuke Lost like how many years ago? 4, 5?

Its more about how potent Natural energy is in comparison to Normal Chakra

 

[TrueRage]

could use Naruto's fight with pain to show this as well.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Its more about how potent Natural energy is in comparison to Normal Chakra

Considering we already knew it was more potent i kinda fail to see the point of this. On top of that sasuke didn’t use all the chakra from
The bijuus, so that makes the comparison kind of flawed. We also dont know how much ne it took to match sasukes bijuu chakra, as kurama simply states he’s using all available atm(I think?)

 

[just D]

In the scan it clearly says " how did you get so much natural energy" which means Naruto isnt capable of doing that in normal base form but in bijuu avatar - And it wasnt just Natural energy but Bijuu power + Natural energy that matched Indra's Arrow

So - Natural energy (Bijuu RasenShuriken+RasenshurikenBijuubomb = Indra's Arrow)

 

[salamander uchiha]

The Jyubi is composed of natural energy, it's jin gain RSM. Any natural energy drawn in by the RSM user is the same as the Jyubi's chakra. When Kurama drew in all the natural energy on the planet he drew in NE like the Jyubi. So Naruto used the maximum amount of Jyubi chakra he could replicate to match a fraction of the tailed beast chakra Sasuke used for IA. We know the tsiled beasts still had chakra remaining since Sasuke intended to use them again however his eye gave in.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

Rsm Naruto is 9 biju Powers not .5 Kurama, if anything Sasuke was fighting at a deficit compared to Naruto.

 

[HowDidIGetPrem]

Yeah, a lot of interpreting can be done on this moment of Vote 2. Your math seems real off though. Another thing to consider is just how much chakra Kurama himself can accumulate in short periods of time. I know that we know that it's a lot already, but I think it's more than that.. Like, a LOOOOOOOOOOOT more.

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Holding/Using senjutsu requires raw chakra as well, and, if the panel is an accurate representation of the ratios, Kurama should've put in as much chakra as he did nature energy into the final attack. Assuming the trapped Kurama had been constantly recovering his chakra like Naruto's, the amount of chakra Sasuke got from Kurama has to dwarf the amount Naruto's used by a good margin. Naruto's Kurama had been depleted multiple times opposed to Minato's which hadn't reached that point once yet.
My point being that Naruto's ".5" is more akin to a ".1" when compared to what Sasuke had, so nature energy is more like roughly a hundred times more potent than raw chakra.


Not to assume Sasuke drained everything though.

 

[kiiro]

Sasuke did not use 100% of the bijus chakra.

Also I find strange for Kurama gather nature chakra. That is dumb. Like, how could he do that?

It was not him, it was Naruto. And that is Rikudou Naruto which has different sage mode.

 

[Uverdore9]

Yeah when RSM Kurama avatar which contain a part of each Biju's chakra attracts NE, its actually Biju chakra in the form of NE. Kyuubi admitted if they hadnt stolen the Biju chakra they would have been demolished.

 

[Chaosmark101]

Juubi chakra > Bijuu Chakra > Senjutsu Chakra > Strong clan chakra > Regular scrub clans chakra

The Chakra that came from the God Tree's fruit looses str/power as it's been diluted throughout the millenia.

 

[Warlocks]

Considering we already knew it was more potent i kinda fail to see the point of this. On top of that sasuke didn’t use all the chakra from
The bijuus, so that makes the comparison kind of flawed. We also dont know how much ne it took to match sasukes bijuu chakra, as kurama simply states he’s using all available atm(I think?)

nope he did use all the chakra

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[Warlocks]

The Jyubi is composed of natural energy, it's jin gain RSM. Any natural energy drawn in by the RSM user is the same as the Jyubi's chakra. When Kurama drew in all the natural energy on the planet he drew in NE like the Jyubi. So Naruto used the maximum amount of Jyubi chakra he could replicate to match a fraction of the tailed beast chakra Sasuke used for IA. We know the tsiled beasts still had chakra remaining since Sasuke intended to use them again however his eye gave in.

its look like u need to re-read the manga smh........

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[Quanta]

its look like u need to re-read the manga smh........

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If bijuus are just chakra and Sasuke used all that chakra in IA, why were they still trapped in CT pokeballs instead of disappearing?

 

[Warlocks]

If bijuus are just chakra and Sasuke used all that chakra in IA, why were they still trapped in CT pokeballs instead of disappearing?

only kishi know

 

[Guntah]

Even going by the weird ass logic you seem to be working under, each Bijuu wouldn't count as one. that 0.5 that is Kurama took down five other Bijuu in less than five minutes with minimum difficulty, after all.

 

[Uverdore9]

Naruto stole Sasuke's Biju Chakra.

Just after Sasuke tried absorbing The Biju Sasuke felt a sudden surge of NE. This NE is Kurama attracting Biju Chakras in the form of Sage Energy. Since it's Kurama RSM Avatar attracting it and not Naruto, it's possible as the perks of RSM still remains unknown whereas it's said The RSM grants understanding of all The Things.

Collecting Biju in NE form is just one of the secret delved by The RSM.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

nope he did use all the chakra

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He didn’t use all their chakra, otherwise he wouldn’t of said

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[salamander uchiha]

If bijuus are just chakra and Sasuke used all that chakra in IA, why were they still trapped in CT pokeballs instead of disappearing?

He didn’t use all their chakra, otherwise he wouldn’t of said

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Thanks guys you saved me the trouble.

The statement is often misunderstood Kurama's reference was in the ability to merge 9 chakra's into one simultaneously just as the sage split them. Obviously Sasuke wasn't doing the opposite of rokudo otherwise the tailed beasts would cease to exist, that's ignoring the fact that they collectively equal Jyubi size.