Did Kishimoto just explain it all?

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675 has one overlooked line from Madara...

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Madara planned all of this. The attack on the leaf, the 9 tails escape, Uchiha clan massacre (for betraying him) and the wars. Orochimaru and possibly Kabuto were under his command. Safe bet something big is about to go down. I suspect Spiral Zetsu is *not* who we think it is.

Obito's original words in the Japanese script imply that Madara was physically controlling him, rather than "orders". This means that Obito might not have really had any choice in a lot of what he did... Meaning he was fighting Madara to some extent and wanted to become Juubi Jinch to stop Madara's plan (naturally Madara planned this part as well).

Why wasn't Madara doing anything in the fight for most of alliance vs. Obito? He was controlling Obito.
Why did Obito not resemble Tobi? Because it was Madara controlling him through the puppet jutsu his will left in Black Zetsu.
Why didn't Madara use PS or meteors on the alliance? He isn't in the fight, it's a clone.
How did Kakashi win vs. Obito? He didn't win, Obito threw the fight.
Why did Madara not take the fight seriously up until recently? He planned to take TB/Hashirama chakra all along. It's probably not even the real Madara

The real Madara is hiding or off-screen doing something else. Notice how he reformed his body? It's a clone. He was using his clone to fight Sasuke and Naruto, meanwhile had an ethereal version of himself fighting. We know that Madara faked his own death and convinced Hashi/Tobi he was gone. He trolled Hashirama and ended the fight in one blow, proving that Ashura < Indra for good.

The name Madara was properly feared throughout history because of what he represented: A genius with power beyond imagination, and an ability to manipulate others without fail. Madara's never been in real danger, because he's had Obito on a string the entire time.

Naruto getting Sage-powers is part of the plan to. Madara's ultimate plan is like Aizen's: Drag the God out. Show that it's a hypocrite. Defeat God, become God. Annihilate the Will of Fire. Force Hashirama/Sage to watch as the world of lies and hypocrisy they built falls apart. And in the end, that's what the world itself wished for by waging war on itself and accepting the convenient lie of the Eye of the Moon plan. Madara just gave humanity what it was asking for.

TL;DR: Just as planned. Madara's real aims are far and above the EOTM plan and go more towards dethroning/killing Sage directly. Madara's plan has been to just the Juubi to draw him out and then kill him. Then he'll eat the fruit and become God, and rule over a world of genjutsu as an omniscient super-god.

Yes, Madara's clone beat the Trollkage, nearly killed Sauce/Naruto and waged the better part of a war on its own. Why? Cause Madara Uchiha.
 

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nice theory who knows it could really be a clone
 

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i doubt it's a clone....clones cant take being cut in half
 

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A clone. Rinne Tensie revived a clone. That's some jutsu right there.

Sasuke being able to see through limbo but not through clone? That's some clone right there.

Sage not knowing Madara's plan? That's some plan right there.
 

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uhhhh sure. lol. obito was completely aware of what he was doing and after the seal was removed continued. zetsu didnt like kabuto showing up.
 

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And that's why One should Always Read ***********. It would've saved your time you just wasted in this thread.

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1. The seal didn't controlled him all along. It was just a seal to do two task only-

a. Interfere with his plan of becoming Jubi's Jinchuriki.

b. Prevent him from doing suicide.



2. Obito knew it that a seal was placed in his heart and he removed it.

As for the pawn thing,he was sort of a pawn in his game. But he did whatever he wished for till the end. Pawn doesn't become Jubi's Jinchuriki and defy his boss. Madara just got lucky and now he is just acting all over-confident and cocky,that's it.

And I have this such a great feeling that Madara is the one who is actually becoming a pawn in a very big game he can't even imagine. And also that Obito might pull Urahara.
 

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I hope kishi doesn't make Madara look like a pawn to Kaguya.
 

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I still say that my explanation that Obito did it all while Madara rotted is more beliveable. It's what happened, for starters.
 

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675 has one overlooked line from Madara...

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Madara planned all of this. The attack on the leaf, the 9 tails escape, Uchiha clan massacre (for betraying him) and the wars. Orochimaru and possibly Kabuto were under his command. Safe bet something big is about to go down. I suspect Spiral Zetsu is *not* who we think it is.

Obito's original words in the Japanese script imply that Madara was physically controlling him, rather than "orders". This means that Obito might not have really had any choice in a lot of what he did... Meaning he was fighting Madara to some extent and wanted to become Juubi Jinch to stop Madara's plan (naturally Madara planned this part as well).

Why wasn't Madara doing anything in the fight for most of alliance vs. Obito? He was controlling Obito.
Why did Obito not resemble Tobi? Because it was Madara controlling him through the puppet jutsu his will left in Black Zetsu.
Why didn't Madara use PS or meteors on the alliance? He isn't in the fight, it's a clone.
How did Kakashi win vs. Obito? He didn't win, Obito threw the fight.
Why did Madara not take the fight seriously up until recently? He planned to take TB/Hashirama chakra all along. It's probably not even the real Madara

The real Madara is hiding or off-screen doing something else. Notice how he reformed his body? It's a clone. He was using his clone to fight Sasuke and Naruto, meanwhile had an ethereal version of himself fighting. We know that Madara faked his own death and convinced Hashi/Tobi he was gone. He trolled Hashirama and ended the fight in one blow, proving that Ashura < Indra for good.

The name Madara was properly feared throughout history because of what he represented: A genius with power beyond imagination, and an ability to manipulate others without fail. Madara's never been in real danger, because he's had Obito on a string the entire time.

Naruto getting Sage-powers is part of the plan to. Madara's ultimate plan is like Aizen's: Drag the God out. Show that it's a hypocrite. Defeat God, become God. Annihilate the Will of Fire. Force Hashirama/Sage to watch as the world of lies and hypocrisy they built falls apart. And in the end, that's what the world itself wished for by waging war on itself and accepting the convenient lie of the Eye of the Moon plan. Madara just gave humanity what it was asking for.

TL;DR: Just as planned. Madara's real aims are far and above the EOTM plan and go more towards dethroning/killing Sage directly. Madara's plan has been to just the Juubi to draw him out and then kill him. Then he'll eat the fruit and become God, and rule over a world of genjutsu as an omniscient super-god.

Yes, Madara's clone beat the Trollkage, nearly killed Sauce/Naruto and waged the better part of a war on its own. Why? Cause Madara Uchiha.

Others already pointed out the holes in this theory. I will add that the real villain is.... Masashi Kishimoto. Don't be surprised if he pops out of spiral zetsu.
 

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Madara knew that part of 'black zetsu' on Obito was damaged by Kakashi during their fight in kamui dimension.
When Obito return to the battlefield, the 'black rods' were on Obito.
Madara had the puppet curse seal on Obito
Chapter 675 is mostly explanation of the past.
 

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I got to disagree with the clone part, with their newly acquired powers Naruto & Sasuke would have been able to identify easily :/
 
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