[Discussion] Did Kishi screw up Madara's exit?

[narutoblitz]

I felt Madara was one of the better written antagonists of part 2. Dying at the hands of black zetsu frankly seemed a bit anti-climactic IMO. Also, we never really got much information on Kaguya. What happened to S06P's brother? Why did Kaguya need an army of zetsu's? Why did she not speak? Who was she really, and where was she from, and what did she really want? Why was she crying?

Ultimately I feel Madara's exit and subsequent replacement by Kaguya as FV represents fundamentally bad writing on Kishi's part. BZ and Kaguya were not at all well-developed antagonists, IMO.

 

[TheWolfHasSpoken]

kishi screwed up the manga by screwing up madaras exit

 

[Eagles5458]

The whole Kaguya fight is a blur to me

 

[WazzY Kage]

Hahahaha... He died shockingly... Gud for him though

 

[Karna]

Of course he did, I believe it was because somewhere along that arc he got offered a bazillions of $$ and decided to say **** plot, I am making a part 3 or whatever their next gen project is after the last which will connect the current and next era.

 

[Chie]

He ruined Madara's character a little with the BZ retcon. However, he slightly atoned for it by having Madara be the only major shinobi villain who was never tnj'd by Naruto. He died not saying he was wrong... but spent his final moments with Hashirama saying that "maybe" the latter was right. It was a decent way to go.

 

[Limbo]

He did, in my opinion, he was the best villain only one to rival him in that category was Tobi, other than that, he was the best, he also messed up by making him that op, then not knowing how to defeat him, that's why he had to pull BZ bs.

 

[narutoblitz]

Hashirama also admitted that Madara may have very well been right to see an inconsistency in the village. His "dying" words to Hashirama the first time were "heh... that inconsistency is what will lead the village into darkness one day". In that regard, Madara & Obito had a point. Naruto's "love and peace" friendship shit with the 5 villages uniting and living with TB -- ain't happening.

Kishimoto is bucking shonen's traditions by claiming love & peace & friendship are not enough.

 

[Chie]

Hashirama also admitted that Madara may have very well been right to see an inconsistency in the village. His "dying" words to Hashirama the first time were "heh... that inconsistency is what will lead the village into darkness one day". In that regard, Madara & Obito had a point. Naruto's "love and peace" friendship shit with the 5 villages uniting and living with TB -- ain't happening.

Kishimoto is bucking shonen's traditions by claiming love & peace & friendship are not enough.

Kishimoto did aim for that at one point, but for whatever reason he decided to drop that theme for whatever reason. Probably because then the series would lose its point and the fandom in general was not fond of it.

Madara later changed his mind with his second death, saying "Maybe... your path was the right one, Hashirama". The author decided to support themes of love, peace, and friendship once again.

 

[xxsasukex]

Yep, i feel ripped off about his exit

 

[Honord Sage]

Madara is still an Uchiha and Uchiha were created by Kishi to lose because of their arrogance and false sense of superiority.

 

[kageking]

I thought it was tastefully done, he even got his alone time with hashirama right at the end.

 

[HeavenlyFlames]

Madara should have fought Hashirama again and then Hashirama could be given power ups to match him. It would have been poetic irony and a unbelievably amazing fight. ;-;

 

[Mugiwara kun]

to say Madaras exit and subsequent replacement by kaguya was shocking is an understatement. Guess because he was too Op he had to use a bs way to defeat him. Just like Hiro does for FT!!!

 

[JackelLord]

Yes. Yes he Did...By Introducing Kaguya in the First place -_-

 

[T0bidara]

since he made him so op it was the only way he thought he could get rid of him