did Itachi really helped Sasuke ?

[Hakke]

did Itachi really helped Sasuke ?

I mean he made him go through a lot of mental suffering

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he waited the moment for Sasuke to come back just to show that he killed their parents in front of his face

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not just that , he even used Tsukuyomi on him and he was only 6 years old kid , now I know that he wanted him to desire Revenge against him , but why the hell using Tsukuyomi ?

not just that , Itachi have told him to kill his best friend , again more mental suffering

I know that Itachi wanted him to be strong , but he was about to go as far as lending his body to Orichimaru ,
now is that really what you wanted , Itachi ?

I know that Itachi wanted him to be a hero , but instead he became a rouge ninja and then an international wanted criminal

(now before an Itachi fap @ me with "haters gonna hate" (which BTW one of the most ridicules and moronic memes) , I don't hate Itachi )

 

[JStar King]

Itachi wanted Sasuke to believe he was the enemy, but I have to agree. He expected Sasuke to return to the leave, thus, achieving revenge for their clan. But nope. Obito ruined everything by telling him the truth.

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But the funniest thing is after that happened and Sasuke knew what Obito had told him, retards actually believed that Sasuke was dumb for still not returning to Konoha.

Why in the hell would anyone return to a village that discriminated, oppressed, and treated their clan as expendable since Tobirama's rising (Who is at fault for the Uchiha Clan's downfall by using deformation tactics).

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And people actually try to rationalize Itachi's sacrifice. I mean come on! Even Itachi knew the whole truth about how his own clan was oppressed, but he still obeyed Danzo like a good girl.

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The Uchiha should've listened to Madara, but nope. It resulted in Sasuke's uprising with hatred, because they refused to do so.

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[Hakke]

Itachi wanted Sasuke to believe he was the enemy, but I have to agree. He expected Sasuke to return to the leave, thus, achieving revenge for their clan. But nope. Obito ruined everything by telling him the truth.

But the funniest thing is after that happened and Sasuke knew what Obito had told him, retards actually believed that Sasuke was dumb for still not returning to Konoha.

Why in the hell would anyone return to a village that discriminated, oppressed, and treated their clan as expendable since Tobirama's rising (Who is at fault for the Uchiha Clan's downfall by using deformation tactics).

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And people actually try to rationalize Itachi's sacrifice. I mean come on! Even Itachi knew the whole truth about how his own clan was oppressed, but he still obeyed Danzo like a good girl.

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but Sasuke then tried to slaughter everyone the village including innocent women and children , I agree with him on killing the 3 elders , but he should've leaved the innocents out of this , but I can't blame him , after all the mental suffering he has gone through , if I were him , I would've done far worse.

 

[JStar King]

but Sasuke then tried to slaughter everyone the village including innocent women and children , I agree with him on killing the 3 elders , but he should've leaved the innocents out of this , but I can't blame him , after all the mental suffering he has gone through , if I were him , I would've done far worse.

True. That I didn't agree with. I mean, Konoha deserves to get destroyed and never to be built again. And that is also true. It's why I kinda hate Itachi. He expected his brother to burden the responsibility of the truth while also thinking his plan would work.

It just made things worse. It's sad really. Sasuke was an innocent child and became an emotional wreck after learning everything.

 

[Hakke]

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but Itachi did indeed kill his whole clan because he loves him , the uchiha clan was about to start a coup d'etat which would lead to a civil wars , even if Itachi wasn't the one who killed his clan , Danzo would've done it anyway , Itachi just wanted his little brother Sasuke to be spared

but the problem is Itachi had Shisui's eyes , why the hell he didn't use them to fix this messed up situation , who knows ?

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Well honestly imo sasuke ended up way stronger leaving konoha then he would of if he stayed. Of course this makes perfect logical sense until you find out sasukes a f cking transmigrant and he would of been godly strong either way so kun:

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

He spared his life not once but twice. So yeah Itachi did help Sasuke.

 

[roark]

if he wanted to help sasuke to get stronger, he should had trained him with his own ideologies

itachi was a sadic psychotic or psychopat. Sasuke got stronger, itachi was his goal. But itachi alone did good for him? Following the plot, not really. If Obito didn't intervened -with it's own malicious reasons - sasuke would end miserable even so.

 

[Hakke]

He spared his life not once but twice. So yeah Itachi did help Sasuke.

I don't think that sparing his life considered as a help , but to think of it , Itachi have gone through more mental suffering than Sasuke , he decided to kill his own clan , his own parents , just so Sasuke could be spared , so you have a fair point

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I don't think that sparing his life considered as a help , but to think of it , Itachi have gone through more mental suffering than Sasuke , he decided to kill his own clan , his own parents , just so Sasuke could be spared , so you have a fair point

Yep he spared Sasuke when he should've been dead with the rest of the uchihas and then even put him under Hiruzens protection. Second time he spared him he rid Sasuke of Orochimaru and left his eyes for Sasuke.

 

[Hakke]

Yep he spared Sasuke when he should've been dead with the rest of the uchihas and then even put him under Hiruzens protection. Second time he spared him he rid Sasuke of Orochimaru and left his eyes for Sasuke.

well , Itachi was the reason that Sasuke joined Orichimaru in the first place

 

[UnknownJin]

Yes .

 

[Hakke]

Yes .

how....?

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

well , Itachi was the reason that Sasuke joined Orichimaru in the first place

Which helped Sasuke to grow stronger and when Sasuke had no more use for Oro he tried to kill Oro but ended up absorbing him. Itachi pushed Sasuke to the limit dragged Oro out and sealed him leaving Sasuke with one less thing to worry about. Had Sasuke been in a similar situation with someone else then Oro would've had a very strong chance to take over Sasuke's body. So yeah in the end Itachi did help him.

 

[UnknownJin]

how....?

im lazy for this shit man... in order to make him strong

 

[Hakke]

Which helped Sasuke to grow stronger and when Sasuke had no more use for Oro he tried to kill Oro but ended up absorbing him. Itachi pushed Sasuke to the limit dragged Oro out and sealed him leaving Sasuke with one less thing to worry about. Had Sasuke been in a similar situation with someone else then Oro would've had a very strong chance to take over Sasuke's body. So yeah in the end Itachi did help him.

do you think that Itachi have plotted all this ? I know that he was smart , but he wasn't that smart , because if he was , he would've fixed the messed up situation between his clan and his village , he had Shisui's eye , and why the hell he didn't use it against Danzo or his father ? , who knows ?

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Which helped Sasuke to grow stronger

but at any costs ?
all this seeking for power have made Sasuke nothing but a psycho self-centered with revenge , and BTW Sasuke joining Orichimaru was never from Itachi intentions , what Itachi truly wanted is for Sasuke to kill his best friends *cough* Naruto *cough* (which he nearly did) so he can awake the MS

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

do you think that Itachi have plotted all this ? I know that he was smart , but he wasn't that smart , because if he was , he would've fixed the messed up situation between his clan and his village , he had Shisui's eye , and why the hell he didn't use it against Danzo or his father ? , who knows ?

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but at any costs ?
all this seeking for power have made Sasuke nothing but a psycho self-centered with revenge , and BTW Sasuke joining Orichimaru was never from Itachi intentions , what Itachi truly wanted is for Sasuke to kill his best friends *cough* Naruto *cough* (which he nearly did) so he can awake the MS

He surely didn't plan or foresee Sasuke's decisions but he did intend to push Sasuke to be strong. How Sasuke went about it was never under Itachi's control. All he could do was remove obstacles like Orochimaru and Tobi in Sasuke's path. And if Itachi's plan went as planned then Sasuke would've eventually returned to the village and have never turned into a maniac, ofc he failed to take care of Tobi. It was Tobi revealing Itachi's truth and taking advantage of Sasuke's weakened mental state and turning him against the world.
If he didn't use it that means Shisui's eye wasn't ready with KA to be used. I think its mentioned in the manga. And Itachi wanted to look bad in front of Sasuke when he suggested him to kill his best friend. That was a very bad suggestion or Kishi hadn't planned on Itachi to be a good guy which I believe was the case at the time and thus the suggestion.

 

[kiiro]

He made him powerful