Did Itachi really do the right thing?

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Perfect example of idiocy.U explained $#!t
U r fapb*ying on posts

I did, twice.
I dont even need to explain, we are discussing the choices Itachi had on this thread anyway.
Unless you are a sadistic *******, we are on the same page and agree that the massacre was the better choice :whip:
 

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I did, twice.
I dont even need to explain, we are discussing the choices Itachi had on this thread anyway.
Unless you are a sadistic *******, we are on the same page and agree that the massacre was the better choice :whip:

i agree massacre was desperate needed action not better choice or something.
U nvr did explain how can massacre be a right choice just made assumption and fanfics that a Warhawk and 13 old itachi assumed or made.
If u want to explain massacre is better choice in any case then it's pathetic.
 

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i agree massacre was desperate needed action not better choice or something.
U nvr did explain how can massacre be a right choice just made assumption and fanfics that a Warhawk and 13 old itachi assumed or made.
If u want to do so it's pathetic.

The assumptions were made by Itachi, Hiruzen, Danzo and rest of Konoha council.
And I explained why 3 times in like 7-8 sentences. I even repeated my self in the same post how retarded. Just so maybe you can understand.

Its futile.

btw. Hashirama said Itachi was even a better shinobi because of the choice he made, to save the village and his little brother.

How can you be so narrow minded :/

We are not talking about real life, not talking about massacre in general. I dont know if you have a fixation of massascre for some reason, but We are talking about 2 choices in NV: chaos and destruction of the village, all clans in konoha(including Uchiha ofc) extinct or deaths of his clan. 2 of his parents, which was drastic, but in the end which is the better choice?

Yeah, i thought so.
4th post im explaining why massacre was the better choice. If you dont get it now i give up. Just sit there and be wrong :D
 
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He played his cards. At least Sasuke would have a choice in the future when he got more powerful, rather than knowing 100% he will get killed in the middle of a war at the age of 4.

He had others card in hands , and one was to take out the elders too. An Uchiha jounins team blitzing the elders at night could have been possible and far a better option . Danzo and Hiruzen could have been took down , and would have been the main threats . Plus I would prefer to at least die with my family than killing them for the sake of old fcks who despise me for my blood , and then let my seven 7yo little brother alone with them and be on the run. He's a traitor .

A ruling Uchiha's Elite could have occurred and a lot seems to forget that Uchihas are cocreator of the leaf village : They had the same right to rules as the Senjus.
 
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The assumptions were made by Itachi, Hiruzen, Danzo and rest of Konoha council.
And I explained why 3 times in like 7-8 sentences. I even repeated my self in the same post how retarded. Just so maybe you can understand.

Its futile.
that assumption for the bolded person who wanted to talk with uchiha's.
Elders vote danzo for Hokage the guy who hides durin pains attack to take the power in his own hands and make new rules and performs Q'ble actions towards village.
for bolded why were uchiha's killed.
No u made point's on basis of assumptions.
Narrow minded.smh
Massacre is Massacre.no justification of it.
 
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he did .. he saved a village from a unnecessary civil war .. and btw: they were going to take the leadership by force !!!
and then condemned the village to suffering an unnecessary devastating invasion by orochimaru, by failing to do anything to even try to slow down orochimaru.
I wouldn't, but that's why he's a hero. Not many people could do what he did.
its why hes a villain. he massacred freedom fighters to save a corrupt regime, and then failed to stop villains that were as bad or worse than his clan was, cementing himself as a hypocrite and a failure.

If Itachi didn't kill them there would be a civil war. The 5 nations who at the time holder much hostility towards each other would have attacked Konoha and crumble its pieces.
if itachi didnt kill them someone else will. there would be no war. and the other 4 nations dont care about what goes on in konoha.
evidence of this is how none of them made a move when kyuubi devastated konoha.
surely this would be a signal to attack, yet no one did. besides kumo when they tried to kidnap hinata.
and there WAS a civil war a few years later when a rogue ninja orochimaru returned with an army to invade. a ninja itachi failed to doa nything about.
so so much for "kiling the few to save the many" if he cant even be bothered to stop a devastating attack by taking oro out.
In a way he avoided a war like Hiruzen said. But I'm not sure if it was the best solution though.
in a way he started the 4th shonobi world war by helping obito kill jinchurikis.
Not only civil war, but after all other nations saw Konoha in real trouble they will all attack Konoha and it would be in ruines
no they wont. this is a complete lie. they didnt do that the last time konoha was in ruins (kyuubi attack).
also not only will orochimaru invading be a civil war but other nations will attack after he does by your logic.
and by taking out bijuus/jins, itachi helped start a world war.
So yeah, Itachi was a hero who saved the hidden leaf, but also a hero who saved the world.
so yeah itachi was a villain who started a world war by helping akatsuki and orochimaru enact devastating attacks on the civilised world, and a villain who tortured and murdered innocent people icnluding his own brother, even viciously and savagely beating sasuke into a coma which turned sauske into a global criminal psychopath.
a villain who condemend the world to a devastating world war.
A civil war, which would have turned into the next Shinobi World War - that's what Itachi avoided by choosing to eliminate those dear to him by his own hands.
a civil war which became the next shonobi world war. thats what itachi helped start by choosing to help a group of evil terrorists capture living nuclear weapons and kill 6 innocent people in cold blood. thousands died. thousands more left homeless.
The whole village was going to be affected by 4 Nations. Everybody had their eyes onto Konoha.
no one gave two shits about knoha.
it suffered two devastating invasions and no one cared.
all kumo wanted was byakugan.
For plot's sake Itachi had to slay all of 'em in order to keep peace and save Konoha from ultimate destruction.
and for plots sake, he ensured that peace failed and that knooha got massacred by akatsuki via itachi helping them and betraying konoha
He did! Without him Konoha would been destroyed in a civil war.
he didnt. genocide is never justified. and konoha is much more powerful than you give it credit.
it will stil be destroyed, it will just take longer and need help from orochimaru and obito.
also i dont think turning sauske inot a psychopath will save konoha.
ut I'll take Kishimoto's perspective on it over USSJ and his followers.
the author of a manga is not the final word on morality and ethics.
Uchiha would start a civil war to gain power of Konoha only to realize after some time that Konoha was destroyed by other 4 villages
no it wont. be. and what civil war? uchihas will either succeed in one night at tkaing over or be wiped out quickly.
It was ugly, but somebody had to do it. Itachi was the man. He saved Konoha from becoming nothing but an empty, ruined legendary battlefield where once a village called "Konoha" was raised there...
it was ugly but someone had to be an evil psychopath. itachi was the man. he destroyed knoha and helped massacre it via joining akatsuki and telling konha nothing about akatsuki that was useful, as well as helping nagato/obito murder 6 jinchurikis and capture living nukes. which nagato would have eventually used on everyone had he not decided to take his petty revenge on konoha.
itachi ensured that obito was powerful enough to start a world war, using the bijuus to galvanise and threaten the nations into uniting against him. the resulting world war killed hundreds of thousands of people.
and without naruto, it stil would be nothing but a crater that had once been a proud nation.

it was said that at the age of ”7" he thought like a hokage..
and at 13 he thought like a 5 year old idiot.
.he saw the future @ his early age and found out that if things remained lyk dat a civil war would have began
yet apparently didnt care that letting orochimaru go will destroy half the village and ignite a gigantic battle.
..if eventually they take over konoha they would start graving to take over all other four nations which will most certainly result to a great war full of bloodshed..
orochimaru will do the same thing. if not for hiruzen, this would have happened. uchihas had their reasons for revenge. orochimaru was just bored of peace
and if the other nations really wanted to destroy knoha they would have done it after minatos death.
tachi foresaw those things and decided to take a drastic action to save the shinobi world!!!
and then condemend it to a bloody world war by joining obitos side.
itachi was a great shinobi greater even than hasirama..every ninja makes mistakes even the so6p did xo wat u sayin??i think wat he did was very rite!!!
lol the justification of torturing innocents, which hashi wuld never do, is "everyone makes mistakes" huh?
As Danzo said, he had the choice to avoid konoha from ruins and keep sasuke safe, or join uchiha, start a civil war and sasuke gets killed. N
not the only options and itachi should have known this.
Any way you look at it, he did the right thing. In the end, one choice would have a larger and more horrible impact, so he basically chose the less-bloody one.
he committed genocide. which can never be jhe chose the most bloody option besides joining uchihas. there were many other options, all of them less violent.

. Saving Konoha and its future in the process its nothing but another great achievement by this Hero named Itachi Uchiha of the Hidden Leaf.
he condemend and destroyed konoha by letting orochimaru go and then helped akatsuki start a world war.
this brutal insane villain named itachi uchiha brutally betrayed every single person that lives in this world when he decided to help start a devastating world war and give nukes to obito uchiha/nagato.
he betrayed everyone in konoha when he attacked and tortured sasuke into a coma/madness and forced sasuke to become a genocidal psychopath.

He played his cards. At least Sasuke would have a choice in the future when he got more powerful, rather than knowing 100% he will get killed in the middle of a war at the age of 4.
he played his cards to create one of the most dangerous villains in the history of narutoverse, in sasuke uchiha.
at least without itachis interference, sasuke stands a chance of having a normalish life. instead itachi wanted so badly to have a soldier marching for his whims that he created a genocidal psychopath wrapped in the madness of revenge.

btw. Hashirama said Itachi was even a better shinobi because of the choice he made, to save the village and his little brother.
hashirama did not know anything about itachi other than the biased incomplete story told by hiruzen.
itachi made a choice to torture his brother to madness and beat him into a coma, crushing his sanity to pieces.
he made a choice to betray the entire world and throw it into a devastating world war by helping akatsuki betray, capture and murder 6 jinchurikis, and give nukes to obito for his whims.
hiruzen failed to mention that just because itachi was a spy implanted in akatsuki does not mean that the good that came out of this outweighed the bad. unfortunately akatsuki was way more evil than even hiruzen believed and itachi made the conscious choice to not leave. even though his presence was more damaging than good. the moment he was ordered to go capture a bijuu should clue him in that akatsuki is a global threat and he should start doing everything possible to hinder or stop them.
which he didnt.
hashirama suffered from not knowing all the facts. such as sasuke and hiruzen leaving out all his crimes such as torture, blackmail and attempted murder.
t We are talking about 2 choices in NV: chaos and destruction of the village, all clans in konoha(including Uchiha ofc) extinct or deaths of his clan
wrong. we are taking about thousands of choices, and itachi choosing the second worst one.
and he caused that first one by failing to stop orochimaru or akatsuki. killing uchihas just delayed it
 
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He had others card in hands , and one was to take out the elders too. An Uchiha jounins team blitzing the elders at night could have been possible and far a better option . Danzo and Hiruzen could have been took down , and would have been the main threats . Plus I would prefer to at least die with my family than killing them for the sake of old fcks who despise me for my blood , and then let my seven 7yo little brother alone with them and be on the run. He's a traitor .

A ruling Uchiha's Elite could have occurred and a lot seems to forget that Uchihas are cocreator of the leaf village : They had the same right to rules as the Senjus.

Blitzing Hiruzen and Danzo is basically killing the leader, starting a revolution and the next day having a civil war anyway, I dont think others would accept murderers of own villagers and hokage like Uchiha as their leaders.

The main threat was Minato who acted as an ADC and saved Konoha's ass in the 3rd war and sannins, Hiruzen was past his prime so was danzo.
anyway

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That wasnt the reason he chose to kill his family and clan but whatever. Reread manga and my posts until you figure the reason behind it, then say something worth reading :rolleyes:
 

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USSJ u know ur post won't help.
U r also too biased towards Itachi and his actions.U should just let it go as necessity for plot
 

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Blitzing Hiruzen and Danzo is basically killing the leader, starting a revolution and the next day having a civil war anyway, I dont think others would accept murderers of own villagers and hokage like Uchiha as their leaders.
every ninja is a killer.
they already tried to treat a murderous psychopath as a loyal member of their nation (danzo) and elected him hokage.
 

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Blitzing Hiruzen and Danzo is basically killing the leader, starting a revolution and the next day having a civil war anyway, I dont think others would accept murderers of own villagers and hokage like Uchiha as their leaders.

The main threat was Minato who acted as an ADC and saved Konoha's ass in the 3rd war and sannins, Hiruzen was past his prime so was danzo.
anyway

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That wasnt the reason he chose to kill his family and clan but whatever. Reread manga and my posts until you figure the reason behind it, then say something worth reading :rolleyes:

I think you're misunderstanding but your last sentence is inappropriate dude , have respect for people you're debating with and then let's talk again with the intelligence you acquired.
 

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Itachi would have approached other way
May be would have killed Danzo before danzo stole shisui's eye
 

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every ninja is a killer.
they already tried to treat a murderous psychopath as a loyal member of their nation (danzo) and elected him hokage.

you skipped this part "starting a revolution and the next day having a civil war anyway, I dont think others would accept murderers of own villagers and hokage like Uchiha as their leaders. "

Danzo was a good candidate because he cares for the village.
 

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you skipped this part "starting a revolution and the next day having a civil war anyway, I dont think others would accept murderers of own villagers and hokage like Uchiha as their leaders. "

Danzo was a good candidate because he cares for the village.
and this guy called me idiot and narrow minded.
Go look at what r the action's danzo performed alongside letting village get destroyed for his own selfish desire and thoughts.
 

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wrong. we are taking about thousands of choices, and itachi choosing the second worst one.
and he caused that first one by failing to stop orochimaru or akatsuki. killing uchihas just delayed it

tl:dr haha

Im just going to reply to this part since it pretty much sums up most of your points.

Name me those one thousand choices you are talking about :D. The only one other choice somebody tried to say was kill the leaders, which inevitably would start a civil war and nothing would've changed, its basically joining uchiha.

And btw, the sand village joined Orochimaru in attacking Konoha, maybe u forgot bahahaha

Yes killing uchihas delayed some consequences of the other choice but you cant blame Itachi for not being Konoha's full time guardian. He was a teenager.

Blame Danzo, Hiruzen and the rest for not being prepared for an invasion.

We are judging here what Itachi did and his actions at the massacre, and how right he was!
 

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and this guy called me idiot and narrow minded.
Go look at what r the action's danzo performed alongside letting village get destroyed for his own selfish desire and thoughts.

Danzo cared for the village and, in that context, at that point in time, in the story, he was the best candidate.

Think about context, not just about 1-2 things you can assume about a character "he was psychopath".

But thats another debate
 

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Danzo cared for the village and, in that context, at that point in time, in the story, he was the best candidate.

Think about context, not just about 1-2 things you can assume about a character "he was psychopath".

But thats another debate

He was Warhawk with selfish desires.
He was what u call NINJA.
Yes
 

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and this guy called me idiot and narrow minded.
Go look at what r the action's danzo performed alongside letting village get destroyed for his own selfish desire and thoughts.

Let him be in denial mate .

Danzo cared for the village and, in that context, at that point in time, in the story, he was the best candidate.*




Think about context, not just about 1-2 things you can assume about a character "he was psychopath".




But thats another debate


Uchihas were citizens too but there is something obstructing your conscience to function . You don't know anything of the subject you're talking about , If you had a clue of what does having blood on the hands means then u wouldn't support Itachi's decision even for his own personal sake , that's all . Plus even himself said it was the wrong path so it there is not much debatable here anymore.
 
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I personally believe that the conflict could have been solved without all that killing but Itachi had the right intentions and even though he did something utterly cruel it was for the greater good.
 

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They were planning a coup d tet from the start. Itachi did the right thing by preventing a civil war, which, in the worst case scenario, would have lead to a Shinobi World War.
 

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He did .. he saved a village from a unnecessary civil war. Saved many lives from the hand of ET. Stopped ET Spied on Akatsuki for konoha. And top of that he willingly saved narutos life many times from the hands of akatsuki
 
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