[Discussion] Diamante Vs Sanji

[24 12 11 to troll]

Caesar is an experienced fighter and lives in the New World. So is Monet. Their Haki is where again? There's also Ace who showed no signs of Haki either. I'm just not into the whole giving abilities we've never seen people use thing unless their portrayal demands it, and Diamante's doesn't.

I wouldn't say Caesar is an experienced fighter, he just happens to have worked in the New World in recent years, not all experienced fighters develop skills with Haki, but in the New World it's a must if you're involved in many fights (such as the Donquixote Leaders, especially Diamante whom operates and fights with lots of Colosseum gladiators/contestants)

Ace showed no signs of Haki? (What about his Haoshoku Haki!?) Dream on... Oda just didn't know how to portray it yet,

giving probable abilities which justify the strength of a character isn't unreasonable. I can't imagine it ever being possible (ever) to be stronger than Franky in his current state without Haki, Franky probably has basic skills with Haki (kinda like Tashigi) as well so...

 

[ultraChalk]

Sanji mid diff.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

She started to fight him (if you read the manga)

I read the manga but I'm pretty sure you do not.

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Robin is just protecting Rebecca and Kyros is the one fighting Diamante.

 

[Amaterasu]

I read the manga but I'm pretty sure you do not.Robin is just protecting Rebecca and Kyros is the one fighting Diamante.

She will help

 

[Bogard]

Lots of fodder at MF recognized that Luffy used Conqueror's. Even Hachi was able to recognize Conqueror's from Rayleigh. Diamante was able to recognize it because Doffy has it, and he's probably witnessed Doffy use it before.

Those people as well as Hachi recognised the after effects of conqueror haki(people collapsing). They didn't recognise it during the usage like Diamante did. Directly at the moment of the clash, he felt the energy around 2 haki users clashing against each other(observation) and expressed it, that's all

Steel comes in varying level of strength. For example, the Seige Wall at MF that could withstand Whitebeard's Quakes, or the walls that lined up underground Enies Lobby that Zoro couldn't cut through. Diamante could simply have a steel that Kyros lacks the ability to cut through.

Zoro threw a random slash thinking it was regular rock and by the time he could do anything else, the wave came to push them away, but whatever in Diamante's case, it's obviously not a particularly hard steel judging by how easily Sabo broke through it without prior knowledge, so like i've said, only reason could be the usage of armament

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

She will help

No she won't. All she is doing there is protecting Rebecca so that Kyros won't be handicapped by Rebecca in his fight.

 

[Amaterasu]

No she won't. All she is doing there is protecting Rebecca so that Kyros won't be handicapped by Rebecca in his fight.

That's called helping

 

[Punk Hazard]

I wouldn't say Caesar is an experienced fighter, he just happens to have worked in the New World in recent years, not all experienced fighters develop skills with Haki, but in the New World it's a must if you're involved in many fights (such as the Donquixote Leaders, especially Diamante whom operates and fights with lots of Colosseum gladiators/contestants)

Ace showed no signs of Haki? (What about his Haoshoku Haki!?) Dream on... Oda just didn't know how to portray it yet,

giving probable abilities which justify the strength of a character isn't unreasonable. I can't imagine it ever being possible (ever) to be stronger than Franky in his current state without Haki, Franky probably has basic skills with Haki (kinda like Tashigi) as well so...

Really? That explains why:
1. Boa Hancock
2. Garp
3. Sengoku
4. Akainu
5. Kizaru
6. Kuzan
7. Marco
8. Jozu
9. Vista
10. Whitebeard
11. Rayleigh
12. Marigold
13. Sandersonia
14. Shanks
15. Sentomaru

All use Busoshoku Haki before the timeskip? Oh yeah, Oda, the master of planning ahead and detailing, reallyyy didn't know what he was doing any one of those 15 times. Also, Ace showed Haoshoku Haki one single time with no control. You dream on. But I'm not gonna continue debating about Ace's lack of Haki here, this isn't the thread for it.

Also, the first bold contradicts practically everything about experienced fighters needing Haki.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Those people as well as Hachi recognised the after effects of conqueror haki(people collapsing). They didn't recognise it during the usage like Diamante did. Directly at the moment of the clash, he felt the energy around 2 haki users clashing against each other(observation) and expressed it, that's all

Zoro threw a random slash thinking it was regular rock and by the time he could do anything else, the wave came to push them away, but whatever in Diamante's case, it's obviously not a particularly hard steel judging by how easily Sabo broke through it without prior knowledge, so like i've said, only reason could be the usage of armament

Or maybe Sabo just happens to be stronger than Kyros? I mean, I know that's a bit of a longshot, but trust me, I think it's pretty safe to say Sabo is stronger than Kyros and can do things he can't, you know?

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That's called helping

Kyros is fighting Diamante and all Robin is doing there is blocking any of Diamante's attacks that are aimed towards Rebecca.

 

[Amaterasu]

Kyros is fighting Diamante and all Robin is doing there is blocking any of Diamante's attacks that are aimed towards Rebecca.

Yes, she do

 

[OG sama]

Can Diamante turn Sanji to a flag or fluttery or whatever? Regardless I say Sanji high diff.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Yes, she do

So you agree.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Can Diamante turn Sanji to a flag or fluttery or whatever? Regardless I say Sanji high diff.

That would be horrible for Sanji. He would never be able to get a boner again and if Nami finally decides to let him have his way with her, he wouldn't be able to do it.

 

[Bogard]

Or maybe Sabo just happens to be stronger than Kyros? I mean, I know that's a bit of a longshot, but trust me, I think it's pretty safe to say Sabo is stronger than Kyros and can do things he can't, you know?

I know Sabo is stronger than Kyros, but it was beside the point. You said Whitebeard couldn't break a special steel implying Diamante's cap could be made of similar material, but the fact Sabo(weaker than Whitebeard by far) easily broke through Diamante's cape without even trying suggest his cape isn't made of a material even close to the steel Whitebeard couldn't break. He did it without prior knowledge, so we can guess he didn't put particularly great effort to break that steel like material, showing that it is a regular one, but Sabo broke his cape because his armament is so strong that in combination with his weapon can easily overcome Diamante's respective usage of armament in combinaison with his steel like material. Kyros however apparently can't, or at least not that easily

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Really? That explains why:
1. Boa Hancock
2. Garp
3. Sengoku
4. Akainu
5. Kizaru
6. Kuzan
7. Marco
8. Jozu
9. Vista
10. Whitebeard
11. Rayleigh
12. Marigold
13. Sandersonia
14. Shanks
15. Sentomaru

All use Busoshoku Haki before the timeskip? Oh yeah, Oda, the master of planning ahead and detailing, reallyyy didn't know what he was doing any one of those 15 times. Also, Ace showed Haoshoku Haki one single time with no control. You dream on. But I'm not gonna continue debating about Ace's lack of Haki here, this isn't the thread for it.

This was shown through hurting Luffy and confirmation that anyone Vice Admiral or above could use Haki. The only cases in which Logias were hurt are Marco, Jozu, Rayleigh and Whitebeard, there was still no way of artistic portrayal (which is still very inconsistent even now), considering Ace never needed to use it until he fought Sakazuki (whom overwhelmed him probably with his own Haki in conjunction with his DF superiority)

Also, the first bold contradicts practically everything about experienced fighters needing Haki.

NO. You simply cannot comprehend the idea of experienced fighters in Paradise not needing Haki to stand a chance and prosper e.g. Crocodile and Moria

 

[Amaterasu]

So you agree.

That she helps ? Yes

 

[Punk Hazard]

I know Sabo is stronger than Kyros, but it was beside the point. You said Whitebeard couldn't break a special steel implying Diamante's cap could be made of similar material, but the fact Sabo(weaker than Whitebeard by far) easily broke through Diamante's cape without even trying suggest his cape isn't made of a material even close to the steel Whitebeard couldn't break. He did it without prior knowledge, so we can guess he didn't put particularly great effort to break that steel like material, showing that it is a regular one, but Sabo broke his cape because his armament is so strong that in combination with his weapon can easily overcome Diamante's respective usage of armament in combinaison with his steel like material. Kyros however apparently can't, or at least not that easily

Wow that was such a stretch. I never implied that it was made of similar material to the siege wall, I was using the siege wall to show that some steel constructs may be stronger than others, so simply saying ¨It's steel and even low-ranked swordsman can break steel, so he must have infused Haki into it¨ isn't correct. Diamante's cape could simply be stronger than normal steel, a strength Kyros couldn't break, but Sabo could because Sabo is way stronger than Kyros. Nothing indicates that Sabo didn't put any particular effort into breaking the steel. The very fact that Sabo wouldn't have an idea of how strong the steel is would actually make it more likely he did put some type of effort into it. After all, if he doesn't know how strong the steel is, he wouldn't know how much effort would be required to break it. That means he wouldn't know whether or not he could afford to put in a casual level of effort as opposed to a medium or high amount of effort, so he would put in enough to be safe.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

I know Sabo is stronger than Kyros, but it was beside the point. You said Whitebeard couldn't break a special steel implying Diamante's cap could be made of similar material, but the fact Sabo(weaker than Whitebeard by far) easily broke through Diamante's cape without even trying suggest his cape isn't made of a material even close to the steel Whitebeard couldn't break. He did it without prior knowledge, so we can guess he didn't put particularly great effort to break that steel like material, showing that it is a regular one, but Sabo broke his cape because his armament is so strong that in combination with his weapon can easily overcome Diamante's respective usage of armament in combinaison with his steel like material. Kyros however apparently can't, or at least not that easily

He couldn't do it because he was expecting to cut flesh, not steel. During the war, Crocodile's hook blocked Mihawk's sword, but that doesn't mean that Mihawk can't cut gold.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

That she helps ? Yes

She said that the would protect Rebecca while Kyros deals with Diamante. How is this that hard for you to comprehend?