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Luffy knew nothing about awakening prior to his fight with Doflamingo, so I'm sure he didn't unlock it during time skip.
[Theory] Devil Fruit RE-Awakening
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Luffy knew nothing about awakening prior to his fight with Doflamingo, so I'm sure he didn't unlock it during time skip.
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Last long enough? Luffy almost broke all of Noah in time and G4 is leagues above G3 in power as we saw with Cracker and Doffy. Since you want to talk about measuring in other posts, how long did it take him to break Noah? How long does G4 last? Another baseless claim passed as fact. He was losing blood and strength from Doffy and he kept G4 up. Yeah because comics need to follow real life logic right? And regardless of whether it would have worked or not, it was still a tool at Luffy's disposal and would be the most logical form for the task he was attempting, there's no reason Luffy wouldn't have used it other than the author was reserving it for a tough opponent, not a ship.
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That doesn't really prove he didn't know about awakenings just that he wasn't used to seeing it work like Doffy's so maybe Luffy's IF he has it doesn't do what Doffy's does.
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If Luffy had Awakened his DF or understood what Awakening was, he would not be confused at the sight of someone doing something advanced with their Devil Fruit.
When Rayleigh used Haki, Luffy IMMEDIATELY connected the dots that it was the same ability that the Skypeians and Sentomaru were using, but he's gonna be confused by seeing a Devil Fruit user do something to his powers that he also knows how to do? This is also the same dude who deduced how Soro worked by seeing it happen once and was immediately able to do it again. None of this shit adds whatsoever up with Luffy having Awakening.
Luffy just barely managed to destroy half of the Noah with a continuous Gatling by the time he started to pass out. When the Sea Kings came and stopped the Noah for him, Luffy was awake for a few more seconds and then he passed out. He got nowhere close to almost destroying it when he only made it halfway through and passed out a few moments later.
Yeah, G4 has more power than G3, but the max power G4 has shown(King Kong Gun) only leveled a part of a town. We might not be able to directly compare the size of FI to Punk Hazard, but when Luffy's max in Gear 4 can only level part of a town and that drains him out of the mode, it's not a viable option for destroying something that can destroy an entire island.
Not really about length of time, as explained above.
Yeah, except at no point vs Doflamingo was Luffy bleeding out to the point of losing consciousness. Comparing the two situations is a fool's bargain.
I'm not entertaining this bullshit "manga never follows real life logic" cop-out, low-hanging lazy "I have nothing of merit to add" argument.
No it wasn't, considering that the most damage Luffy could do in G4 was lesser than what he could have done with G3 for the situation at hand. Yeah, he could have done some serious bursts of damage to the ship, maybe even get further with G4 if we push it, but G3 is sustainable for longer, making it the better option that quickly exhausting himself on a mode that'll exhaust him too quickly for him to make the most of it.
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Right, cus Luffy's the king of understanding. Not to mention he'd have never seen any other awakening other than his(if he saw one personally at all) so of course he would understand right away when Doffy turned the town into strings it was awakening how could I miss that. Croc told him about Awakened Zoans and their durability which would do nothing to help Luffy's understanding of how awakened paramecia's work and his awakening IF it exists may not work the same as Doffy's hence the lack of knowledge prior for Luffy.
Again, IF he did awaken his DF and it doesn't do what Doffy's does than yeah, it would be surprising to see even if he knew about DF awakenings(which we know he knew something about) You're working under the assumption all Awakenings happen the same way so you can say Luffy should know what an awakening looks like but for all we know Paramecia whose body is affected like Luffy or Jozu may have a different style of awakening compared to a paramecia who creates the product like Doffy does.
Luffy destroyed more than half of Noah and if he was able to destroy more than half of Noah w/G3 he'd be able to destroy more in G4.
Luffy's "max" Which may not even be his actual max in G4 doesn't automatically drain him at use because he gassed out when he used it in the Doffy fight that's a false equivalency. The way you structured that sentence it's like you're trying to sell this notion that 1 KKG automatically ends G4 at all times and that's unfounded. Plus you gonna sit here and try and argue G3 Elephant Gatling is stronger than Kong Organ Gun? Luffy would have been able to destroy more even if he wasn't able to maintain form as long.
So now you're saying Hody did more damage to Luffy than Doffy did, despite you arguing in the past that Hody was chump change. You're a classic, never change.
Well that's odd since you like to use "This isn't the real world, real world reasoning doesn't fit in here" when it suits your cause. Like how Captain is used in the naming structure of Pirate captains for example.
Yeah his strongest and most destructive form wouldn't be the best suited to destroy a giant structure, suuuuuuuuure.
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When it comes to battle? Yes. This is the same person that took a pathetic DF to the Gears. This is the same person that mastered the basics of Haki in a month and a half when two years isn't enough for the majority of people. This is the same person that saw Soru once, and immediately figured out how to do it himself. This is the same dude who saw Rayleigh demonstrate Haki, and immediately connected it to the other abilities he's seen before. The last two are especially important to this context.
Are we really gonna sit here and deny that when it comes to battling and fighting, that Luffy isn't a combat genius. ****. Outta. Here.
If Luffy knew the concept of advanced DF abilities on another level than the base, he'd recognize it in other people, yes. As Luffy has shown many times, when it comes to understanding battle, the dude is a genius.
Nope.
For some who cries and whines and *****es about people assuming what he means, you sure do do it a lot. I am working under the fact that when it comes to battle, Luffy is incredibly insightful. If Luffy understood that Devil Fruits have a higher level to them to the point that he can do it himself, he would absolutely be able to recognize when other people are doing it, even if it manifests differently than his own.
He actually destroyed just half of it. The rest of this convo actually doesn't matter because the Sea Kings noted that Luffy was gonna be able to destroy the Noah using just Gear Third, so using Gear Fourth wasn't needed anyways.
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In the same amount of time? Sure. But Gear Third is far more sustainable. So in the long run, it lasts much longer and therefore would do much more damage than a short burst of explosive power.
Nope. Luffy stated he would regain his Haki, not that he would regain some of or part of his Haki and then used up that little part when he used G4 and KKG again. Unless it's revealed that that's how G4 works, then it's a matter of being able to use Haki and not using Haki, so one KKG, for now, renders him unable to use Haki. Could change, but until it does, that's what we got.
That is not at all what I argued.
No, I'm arguing that Hody got a lucky critical hit that caused Luffy to bleed profusely. The same way that weaklings like Caesar, Monet, and the Yeti Cool Brothers were able to make Luffy and Zoro pass out/almost pass out through lucky critical hits as opposed to overpowering them. There's also the fact that using Gear Third aggravated the wound and caused more blood to come out, which is shown on-panel multiple times during the Gatling, so it's not that Hody is stronger than Doffy as this dumbass part is trying to imply, it's that Luffy failed to defend himself properly, allowing Hody to get in a lucky blow that was made worse by the Gatling.
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End of the day, at no point during his fight with Doffy was Luffy passing out from blood loss, so the situations aren't comparable.
Now you're blathering.
Not because of a lack of power, but because of a lack of sustainability.
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my theory is the roger had the gum gum before Luffy. What from the first episode shanks refers to it as a treasure. And after Luffy says he's not the type of guy to back down from a bad guy like roger he's ok with Luffy having it. Also giving his arm to seal the deal.
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Smoker’s fist is smoker’s fist, so wtf is your point? His devil fruit is still not covered in Haki, try again.
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Wasnt the spider guy in marineford capable of catching marco despite him being a logia-paramecia?
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Marco is a mythical down type. He regenerates after getting damaged by kizaru’s lights. And The spiderguy used sea stone cuffs too.