You failed. After one Shinra Tensei Deva-Path is already useless. After Itachi provoked an interval with his Amaterasu, it will be enough to activate Susanoo in order to crush Deva, and its activation is indeed lightning fast. Above Genjutsus aren't useless against the Paths, he can still paralyse them with the one he used against Orochimaru.
2. Bansho Tenin can't pull Itachi out of Susanoo, if Deva uses his gravitational pull, he will attract the whole Susanoo. Gaara is a whole different story since his sand passed through Susanoo.
And maybe you have misunderstood somewhat. Deva is a dead body, Nagato controls him by running chakra through the chakra receivers permanently. In fact you need a second mind who disturbs your chakra flow with his own, in order to end the illusion.
bansho tenin was able to pluck out a nail burried in a wood, with that precision, bansho tenin has the potential to take itachi out of susanoo, even possibly his eye(ridiculous as it may sound but its very plausible).
nagato already showed he can disable the bodies then reactivates them, he could cancel out any genjutsu with that.
bansho tenin was able to pluck out a nail burried in a wood, with that precision, bansho tenin has the potential to take itachi out of susanoo, even possibly his eye(ridiculous as it may sound but its very plausible).
nagato already showed he can disable the bodies then reactivates them, he could cancel out any genjutsu with that.
Susanoo will always be around Itachi as a protection. It would be just like attracting someone through a wall. If you do this, you attract the wall as well. And even if Deva attracts Itachis body, he can activate his Susanoo at the last moment in order to crush him.
And disabling Deva-Path would be a disadvantage for him, wouldn't it be?
You failed. After one Shinra Tensei Deva-Path is already useless. After Itachi provoked an interval with his Amaterasu, it will be enough to activate Susanoo in order to crush Deva, and its activation is indeed lightning fast. Above Genjutsus aren't useless against the Paths, he can still paralyse them with the one he used against Orochimaru.
2. Bansho Tenin can't pull Itachi out of Susanoo, if Deva uses his gravitational pull, he will attract the whole Susanoo. Gaara is a whole different story since his sand passed through Susanoo.
And maybe you have misunderstood somewhat. Deva is a dead body, Nagato controls him by running chakra through the chakra receivers permanently. In fact you need a second mind who disturbs your chakra flow with his own, in order to end the illusion.
1. Itachi initially wont know of an interval so he'll have to figure that out first before the method you suggest. Your point is whoever pulls out their strongest attack first, what's stopping deva path pulling out chibaki tensei or the massive then?
2. Banshou tennin is plausible as khaydz5 said.
3. Regardless of what the genjutsu does if it paralyses or not, genjutsu is genjutsu we know the methods to get out and the chakra receivers satisfy that. You've made the assumption that Nagato permanently runs chakra and you need a second mind, Nagato can stop their chakra flow if he wants to.
Susanoo will always be around Itachi as a protection. It would be just like attracting someone through a wall. If you do this, you attract the wall as well. And even if Deva attracts Itachis body, he can activate his Susanoo at the last moment in order to crush him.
And disabling Deva-Path would be a disadvantage for him, wouldn't it be?
If Gaara can pull him out Madara leavign susanoo behind there's no reason banshou tennin can pull out Itachi, at that point Itachi's vulnerable deva path can run a chakra rod through him just like
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after using ms techniques so during that interval Nagato can disrupt the chakra flow and get him out.
Susanoo will always be around Itachi as a protection. It would be just like attracting someone through a wall. If you do this, you attract the wall as well. And even if Deva attracts Itachis body, he can activate his Susanoo at the last moment in order to crush him.
And disabling Deva-Path would be a disadvantage for him, wouldn't it be?
read manga, madara was pulled out of it. or are you gonna say madara's susanoo is different from itachi?lol.
you have to use common sense, of course disabling entirely would give itachi an opening. as rul said, nagato has full control over deva's chakra, he can disrupt its chakra flow thus cancelling any genjutsu effect.
The sand passed through Susanoo, similar when Tobi is dematerialized and can pass through objects. But Bansho Tenin attracts the target it aimed for - In this case it will be the Susanoo, being around of Itachi as a protection. The gravitational pull can't work across Susanoo, logically the gravitation pull will attract also the object before Itachi.
The sand passed through Susanoo, similar when Tobi is dematerialized and can pass through objects. But Bansho Tenin attracts the target it aimed for - In this case it will be the Susanoo, being around of Itachi as a protection. The gravitational pull can't work across Susanoo, logically the gravitation pull will attract also the object before Itachi.
You are forgetting itachi's secret technique, wich is his ability to pull out secret and fobidden jutsu's out of nowhere.
Do not underestimate this power, who know's if he decides to kill nagato and pulls out a new forbidden genjutsu, and makes nagato gauge his own eyes out.
After seeing him this far in the story i am starting to loose track of who is the real hero in the show Naruto or Itachi?.
The sand passed through Susanoo, similar when Tobi is dematerialized and can pass through objects. But Bansho Tenin attracts the target it aimed for - In this case it will be the Susanoo, being around of Itachi as a protection. The gravitational pull can't work across Susanoo, logically the gravitation pull will attract also the object before Itachi.
lol you just said it, it attracts the target that he will aim. why would he aim at susanoo, he can aim at itachi. looking at rul's link, bansho tenin was able to pull out only the nail, seeing the nail is attached to the wood, if we go by your logic the wood would also be attracted...but no, deva was able to separate the nail from the wood without touching it.
lol you just said it, it attracts the target that he will aim. why would he aim at susanoo, he can aim at itachi. looking at rul's link, bansho tenin was able to pull out only the nail, seeing the nail is attached to the wood, if we go by your logic the wood would also be attracted...but no, deva was able to separate the nail from the wood without touching it.
Do you know how gravitation works? lol
The nail is a whole different story. Since when you can attract objects trough other objects? The gravity will always attract the first object it aims for. Deva can't aim for Itachi if Susanoo is standing before him, the gravitational pull will affect Susanoo first. And even if Deva uses his Bansho Tenin against Itachi with success, what would it brings? Itachi can still activate his Susanoo in the last moment in order to crush him.
Hmm, I agree that Deva path actually has a good chance, having counters for Itachi's abilities. I also like him. However, I'm not sure he could solo Itachi, the main reason being Itachi's intelligence... I expect after getting stabbed he would be able to resist bansho tenin thereafter, and could probably tank a shinra tensei with susano'o because he couldn't get pulled out of it anymore.
Of course, there's still CT. I think that should probably be restricted in Deva path threads because it requires Nagato's full power... however, I expect without other paths Itachi could seal a relatively helpless Deva before CT ends him... so I'd probably give this battle to Itachi. Obviously Nagato could beat him but it is highly unlikely a path could solo.
Do you know how gravitation works? lol
The nail is a whole different story. Since when you can attract objects trough other objects? The gravity will always attract the first object it aims for. Deva can't aim for Itachi if Susanoo is standing before him, the gravitational pull will affect Susanoo first. And even if Deva uses his Bansho Tenin against Itachi with success, what would it brings? Itachi can still activate his Susanoo in the last moment in order to crush him.
wtf? seriously? we don't go by your logic here, we go by the logic of the manga, we provided you facts shown in the manga, all you do is reason your butt out.
as manga shows you madara cannot activate the susanoo again once he was pulled out of it. he instead use rinnegan to defend from rasenshuriken.
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and here you can see asura is standing infront of deva, which should block banshou tenin but still kakashi is being attracted even if asura is on the way. so manga just proves your logic is meaningless.
What blasphemy is this and you even used one of my quotes to back your claims although i agree i do not believe tsukuyomi would work on him. Whilst i agree that all 6 pein in their formation will defeat itachi, i do not agree that Deva path alone can.
Anyway if deva path starts of with ct, then although itachi knows the weakness he hasnt shown a technique strong enough and with that he loses, but if thats the case then we are wasting out time in this thread because if thats the case majority of people will lose to deva path if he starts with this. There are many opponent such as A, jiriaya, mu, 3rd raikage, bee plus many more who are stronger than deva path and will defeat it in a fight, but if deva path was to start with ct, none of them has shown a technique to evade it or destroy it therefore they all lose.
If deva was to fight an actual fight then use ct as a last option i believe he wouldnt be given the chance as i believe all the character's ive named above will beat him before he can use ct in a fight, no different to how kakashi, choju and choza was about to beat it, until asura path got in the way;
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Basically if deva doesnt start with ct, itachi will beat him before he gets the chance to use it. Question is how. Ill explain;
Kakashi was able to fool deva path with a lightning clone, luckily for him asura path was there to help;
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Itachi's handspeed is the fastest. Not even kakashi and sasuke, sharigan users were able to read. He has shown the ability to hide clones so much so that sasuke who was right next to him didnt even know that the clone existed. Now he has fooled sasuke and kabuto, two smarter opponents with a crow clone which left both vulnerable to attacks;
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Kabuto due to his enhancements and sm ability makes his preceptual ability and reflexes in the top3 and although he evaded the attack he lost a horn. Deva path has no such ability and with this itachi would severe his head. A lot of people would say well, itachi used sasuke's katana and itachi deosnt have a katana. That is true, but he does have kunai's which are just as sharp able to cut oro's hand off, but alsohe spammed quiet a few which blocked the rennigan's view;
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Need not worry though, just showing you that he has sharp kunai's to do damage
Now we have seen that itachi cut oro's hand. Now we all know that deva path's attacks include the use of his hands, from shinra tensei to banshou tennin to even ct. If itach doesnt cut his head off after that clone which has made him vulnerable he can cut either 1 or both arms off and with that deva path cannot use any of his attacks.
Secondly itachi only needs to be in v1 susano. In v1 susano the susano is wrapped around the user so to speak. You cannot pull the user out of this susano version, unlike the full susano which is stationary (madara's has legs thoguh). Itachi has shown us that he can run with v1 susano whilst its still protecting him because it wraps around the user. You cannot pull the user out of this susano variation;
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Also this version alone should be able to protect itachi from shinra tensei
Ill let you in on a secret to shinra tensei.Shinra tensei allows the user to attack either by their side;
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Or with their hands at their front (top left of page);
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So basically if you arent by the side or in front of deva path, you can evade shinra tensei. Question is how do you miss shinra tensei. Simple really go behind blitx behind deva path. Itachi's with his speed should be able to achieve this no different to how he was behind bee;
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Once behind deva path, he totally evades shinra tensei. Also deva path doesnt have the shared vision since its only him;
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and with itachi having the better reaction time he would severe his head before he can turn around. Or in v1 susano, he can k.o him, with a punch, no different to what he did at kabuto's hideout;
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Itachi has also shown us the ability to summon crows and with that blocks the opponent's eyes;
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Now people would say if that happens deva path would shinra tensei the crows, but that distraction is enough for itachi to get behind him and finish him off. Anyway lets say deva path shinra tensei's the crows, we know about the time interval in relation to deva path. Believe it was 5 seconds;
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5 seconds is too big of a gap for amaterasu one of the fastest attacks not to land. People will say he can shinra tensei it and that is true, but even if it burns him for a brief amount of time, ha shown great damage as we saw with nagato;
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Also notice that his arms were greatly damaged. If that was to happen to deva path, he wouldnt regenerate for obvious reasons, but also its these same arms that has been damaged by amaterasu does his techniques come from. If his arms were to be greatly damaged, he would struggle to use any of the rather poor ninjutsu's pool. Now alot of people would say, hold on a second, itachi doesnt knwo about the 5 second rule. This is true, but you see during itachi's short time against nagato has shown the ability quickly recognise its weakness. First was him blinding the rennigan. Second was his figuring ct's weakness. Third was him after seeing naruto and bee's attack get absorbed did he use a non ninjutsu way to attack nagato. I believe just like how kakashi figured out the interval, itachi who is a superior geniuses but has also gone up against a rennigan user and has shown the ability to figure out technique weaknesses (after all its him whom said every jutsu has a weakness) should figure out this interval. Now alot of people would say, well he would have to use attack deva path to figure this out and i agree. But he doesnt need to attack with high level jutsu's. He has the grandfire ball technique;
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And the crimson balsam nails;
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Crow clones, other fire techniques, kunai's throwing feats and summoning techniques. Basically he has fairly low level technique's which require very little chakra to figure out the 5 second interval and this is in relation to him distracting deva path with any of this attacks and once shinra tensei has ben used in that 5 second interval amaterasu will get him. But itachi doesnt need to figure out the 5 second interval, since he is fast enough. 5 second gap, itachi has shown the ability to activate, susano instantaneously in order to tank kirin, which's speed is much faster than the 5 second gap;
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Yet itachi was able to activate susano in time. 5 second gap is way too much of a gap for itachi not to be able to activate it again and with that seal deva path during this interval where he cannot use his powers.
Alos of people are now talking about the ultimate shinra tensei he used on the village. Now itachi by himself doesnt have much durability feat, but you see susano does, and with that itachi would need the full susano to withstand that ultimate shinra tensei and i believe it can, especially after withstanding kirin whilst incomplete. Now we should know that deva path after using that ultimate shinra tensei cannot use his attacks for quiet for sometime;
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He'd be a fool to try this move on itachi. If he cannot use his techniques for some time he couldve been fodderized against naruto if it wasnt for the other paths. Obviously the other paths arent involved here.
Itachi with genjutsu out of the question takes with with mid difficulty at best as i believe the fight would end pretty quickly if deva path doesnt start with ct, but also going by itachi's fighting style he doesnt like prolonging fights.
Ill let you in on a secret to shinra tensei.Shinra tensei allows the user to attack either by their side;
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Or with their hands at their front (top left of page);
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So basically if you arent by the side or in front of deva path, you can evade shinra tensei. Question is how do you miss shinra tensei. Simple really go behind blitx behind deva path.
Interesting, but not only is the 5 sec gap still applicable and amaterasu can be activated in time, kakashi had no defence and he survived it. Itachi only needs v1 to survive such an attack.
All in all, hell no. Deva path by himself cannot beat itachi if he doesnt start with ct
Interesting, but not only is the 5 sec gap still applicable and amaterasu can be activated in time, kakashi had no defence and he survived it. Itachi only needs v1 to survive such an attack.
All in all, hell no. Deva path by himself cannot beat itachi if he doesnt start with ct
wtf? seriously? we don't go by your logic here, we go by the logic of the manga, we provided you facts shown in the manga, all you do is reason your butt out.
as manga shows you madara cannot activate the susanoo again once he was pulled out of it. he instead use rinnegan to defend from rasenshuriken.
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and here you can see asura is standing infront of deva, which should block banshou tenin but still kakashi is being attracted even if asura is on the way. so manga just proves your logic is meaningless.
Still, Deva aimed for Kakashi, Asura just stood besides him. But if Deva is aiming for Itachi, he will nevertheless aim for Susanoo which is standing right before Itachi. But I see, this discussion turn in circles and everyone have his own opinion, so let's end this one. I agree The six Paths of Pain are the favorite here, but at least we both agree Tendo cannot defeat Itachi by his own.
Still, Deva aimed for Kakashi, Asura just stood besides him. But if Deva is aiming for Itachi, he will nevertheless aim for Susanoo which is standing right before Itachi. But I see, this discussion turn in circles and everyone have his own opinion, so let's end this one. I agree The six Paths of Pain are the favorite here, but at least we both agree Tendo cannot defeat Itachi by his own.
LOL even providing you facts straight from the manga you still deny it. asura was not beside him, he was directly infront of him. check the pages before the one I showed you.
now you are just assuming that deva will not aim at itachi, lol. you're running out of ideas buddy. he aimed at kakashi while asura is standing infront of him. itachi will be yanked out much like what happened to madara. I got all the proof I can get from the manga to back up my theory, not like your baseless assumptions.
well I never said here in this forum that deva alone can defeat itachi, I'm just showing you how deva/nagato can counter itachi's susanoo.
