Deva Path and Onoki vs EMS Madara

[Beans2]

Deva Path uses Chibaku Tensei

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Then Onoki uses weighted-boulder jutsu on the CT orb

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Now Chibaku Tensei should have a much stronger gravitational pull due to its increased mass... (think of how Jupiter has much stronger gravity than Earth)

Which brings me to my question, which is the strongest version of EMS Madara's Susanoo that CT can crush assuming it reaches its maximum size with Susanoo being at the center?

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[Zexion~]

I don't know why you think Onoki's jutsu always enhance an objects mass, Mass is the amount of matter it affects its weight.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

CT doesn't even crush a V3 Susanoo let alone v4, Madara's V4 or anything higher. It probably won't even crush a V2 Susanoo considering KN6 was able to survive it with zero damage. Then we have Kabuto attempting to capture B and Naruto with it. Not kill. And increasing the power of the pull only increases the amount of rubble it takes in. It doesn't change it's crushing power, but even it did it wouldn't matter.

 

[EZQ]

It doesn't alter it's mass. The only thing it would do would be increasing the gravity that's pushing the orb towards the center of the earth, not the gravitational poer of the orb itself

 

[NarutoX28]

I would think it would alter it's mass.

Onoki's Weighted techniques have an impact on one's momentum which is influenced by mass and velocity.

 

[EZQ]

Well, i think that jutsu is inconsistent and not well explained.

If it loses mass then it changes its properties. Onoki losing mass just to fly doesn't make sense, he'd be losing parts of his body lol. But then if we think about it, Force= mass x acceleration, and against Deidara his punch had no force, meaning the mass was what got rezised.

I think that such a jutsu, capable of changing the properties of a body (human or inorganic) to alter its mass (thus totally changing the object's properties) should be a rinnegan tech, and not doton manipulation, lol.

 

[NarutoX28]

I personally think he alters both his mass and his gravity.

But yeah, the lack of force or momentum (examples being Onoki vs. Deidara or Ei vs. Madara) seemed to imply there was a mass decrease. But still, it makes no sense to me how he alters both his mass and gravity with Doton manipulation.

 

[Beans2]

I don't know why you think Onoki's jutsu always enhance an objects mass, Mass is the amount of matter it affects its weight.

You're right my bad, well partially right. It doesn't affect its mass, it directly affects gravity as well as weight. Weight = mass x gravitational acceleration. When you increase the weight, either the mass or the gravitational acceleration has to increase corresponding to the increase in weight. The DB entry specifically says it directly affects its gravity.

Spoiler

Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu ("Light-Weight Rock Technique)

Short-Rang, Offensive and Supplimentary

To dance in the sky released from gravity's constraints

The Jutsu reduces the target's gravity. It's natural application is to enhance, naturally it's used to make the weight of the things one carries lighten, ones personal weight can also be reduced, making ones movements fast and agile. The atmosphere as well as the human body is made light, in-order to soar through the sky. On occasion, It is popular for a person to control the jutsu's flight in the sky with specific stances (heavy paraphrased, but you get it, many users control their flight with their stance), with practice one can freely fly about in the sky.

Touching the target in an instant their gravity is taken away. The Jutsu user regulates how much (gravity) is snatched away.

The sensation of soaring through the sky is extraordinarily pleasant.... can't make out the rest due to unknown Katakana word.

Weighted boulder should do the same thing as lightened boulder just in the opposite way. So the result of weighted boulder on the CT orb will still be the same.

CT doesn't even crush a V3 Susanoo let alone v4, Madara's V4 or anything higher. It probably won't even crush a V2 Susanoo considering KN6 was able to survive it with zero damage. Then we have Kabuto attempting to capture B and Naruto with it. Not kill. And increasing the power of the pull only increases the amount of rubble it takes in. It doesn't change it's crushing power, but even it did it wouldn't matter.

Wasn't it KN8 that survived it, not KN6? Anyway a better question to ask is what is the strongest version of Madara's Susanoo that this enhanced Chibaku Tensei can restrain, not crush. So it concerns the physical strength of Susanoo and not its durability.

It doesn't alter it's mass. The only thing it would do would be increasing the gravity that's pushing the orb towards the center of the earth, not the gravitational poer of the orb itself

The CT orb has a gravitational pull of its own, Onoki is increasing the orb's gravitational pull not the earth's. The earth's gravitational pull would increase only if he used the jutsu directly on the earth.

 

[KeyofDestiny]

Wasn't it KN8 that survived it, not KN6? Anyway a better question to ask is what is the strongest version of Madara's Susanoo that this enhanced Chibaku Tensei can restrain, not crush. So it concerns the physical strength of Susanoo and not its durability.

KN8 broke out, KN6 was still fine after being put inside. As for the strongest version it can enhance, Madara's giant V4 most likely breaks out and anything below is restrained. It definitely doesn't bind PS.

 

[Zexion~]

You're right my bad, well partially right. It doesn't affect its mass, it directly affects gravity as well as weight. Weight = mass x gravitational acceleration. When you increase the weight, either the mass or the gravitational acceleration has to increase corresponding to the increase in weight. The DB entry specifically says it directly affects its gravity.

Spoiler

Doton: Keijūgan no Jutsu ("Light-Weight Rock Technique)

Short-Rang, Offensive and Supplimentary

To dance in the sky released from gravity's constraints

The Jutsu reduces the target's gravity. It's natural application is to enhance, naturally it's used to make the weight of the things one carries lighten, ones personal weight can also be reduced, making ones movements fast and agile. The atmosphere as well as the human body is made light, in-order to soar through the sky. On occasion, It is popular for a person to control the jutsu's flight in the sky with specific stances (heavy paraphrased, but you get it, many users control their flight with their stance), with practice one can freely fly about in the sky.

Touching the target in an instant their gravity is taken away. The Jutsu user regulates how much (gravity) is snatched away.

The sensation of soaring through the sky is extraordinarily pleasant.... can't make out the rest due to unknown Katakana word.

Weighted boulder should do the same thing as lightened boulder just in the opposite way. So the result of weighted boulder on the CT orb will still be the same.



Wasn't it KN8 that survived it, not KN6? Anyway a better question to ask is what is the strongest version of Madara's Susanoo that this enhanced Chibaku Tensei can restrain, not crush. So it concerns the physical strength of Susanoo and not its durability.



The CT orb has a gravitational pull of its own, Onoki is increasing the orb's gravitational pull not the earth's. The earth's gravitational pull would increase only if he used the jutsu directly on the earth.

Yes it affects weight and the heavier you are the more you're afflicted by a gravitational pull, you're still right in the long run just chose the wrong word.

 

[EZQ]

The CT orb has a gravitational pull of its own, Onoki is increasing the orb's gravitational pull not the earth's. The earth's gravitational pull would increase only if he used the jutsu directly on the earth.

You didn't understand what i meant. I used to think that it affects the objects weight and not its mass. Nw that i think of it it increases the mass.