Detailed Top ten Strongest Ninja's(No SO6P or his 2 sons)

[Simplified]

Going by power:

1) Edo Madara
2) Naruto
3) Nagato
4) Tobi
5) DSM Kabuto
6) Hashirama
7) EMS Madara

8-10 can be sorted out in all different ways.

 

[FizzyDrink]

this is what was said about kabuto against nagato to someone esle earlier, please state your thoughs...
Kabuto im assuming your giving all his edo's? Well that wont include madara because he was never under kabuto's control, and not itachi because im using him as part of the discussion as his own person(and he also broke edo).
Kabuto's only real help here is the blindness jutsu and his sound genjutsu. The blindness justu is countered by almighty push cause obviouly kabuto will be coming in for the attack and this jutsu will effect his edo's as well. Nagato's dog summon can split into hundreds with all those edo's on the attack quickly and even the number and also give nagato more feilds of vision. Not to mention the other 8 summons buying nagato time to plan. Most of kabuto's edo's wouldnt even be a threat to nagato besides Muu, Maybe the 3rd raikage( i say maybe because his attacks may cause the same reaction as Bee's attack while raikage cloaked in his lightnign sheild) and maybe mizukage. But theyll most likely be busy with the dogs who can only be defeated if nagato is defeated. Nagato is honestly the only person beside naruto who can even the odds with kabuto beside edo madara(wood clone suasnoo's) and Naruto(obvious reasons). Kabuto unlike Most has no projectile jutsu with power that we've seen and has no ansewer for planetary devastation. And yes this will also take his summons but he can make them disappear just as easily as they appear but keep the dogs there to destracted edo's and kabuto while there being sucked up. Kabuto's sound genjutsu(and this is a long shot but could be true) since its cast through sound waves may be countered by almighty push because he might be able to counter the waves. But that is a loooong shot and sound is pretty fast. The way i see it kabuto has no counter to planetary devastation and nagato may have no counter for sound genjutsu.

Madara i dont believe was ever under kabuto's control, at least he or kabuto never made any indication say he was. Kabuto did however basically say show me what you can do which to me says that madara was doin his own thing. Besides madara wanted to fight, there was no reason to control him.
But with his wood clone madara's and suasnoo's and unlimited chakra he can easily match kabuto's number of edo's and an arm of madara's vs kabuto and his edo's? Kabuto will be destroyed.
Naruto can also match kabuto's number of summons im sure espeacially now that him and the 9 tails are cool, so i think he could beat kabuto too cause he made enoudh to go to every battlefeild directly after training with be and sparring with A, so if he's fresh im sure he could make even more than kabuto's edo's.

Oro, sasori, and deidara cant even get through A's lightning sheild im not sure why you think They would beat him because even though oro immortal he still will get fatigue from reborning himself or whatever that weirdo calls it to many times. And the only thing sasuke can do to get past the sheild is Amtaterasu and thats not fast enough and i suppose chidori but that only broke it alil so im not sure how he wins. Or any of the people you said would beat him.

And Gaara, maybe Muu and the Second Mizikage but he's stronger now and the only reason deidara won is cause he attacked gaara's village and gaara had to protect them, sasori 's 100 puppets still have nothing to get through gaara's sand defence espeacially now that its even faster. And gaara blocks amaterasu most likely suasnoo arrows, can possibly pull sasuke out os suasnoo and was able to block madara's regular not comeplete aashole suasnoo's sword so i dont see how sasuke wins either besides a lucky genjutsu.

First of all, I explained to you in my comment why Madara CAN be used, so please, read before you copy/paste. Secondly, you may be using Itachi in your argument, but he still counts unless you're pitting Kabuto vs Itachi, which in this case (Kabuto vs Nagato), you're not.

And basically your only argument for Kabuto was 1. CT and 2. the dog summon.

Firstly, you seem to forget Kabuto's genius. He is certainly smart enough to figure out the counter to CT. And all that is necessary is 1 Jinton by Muu to destroy the core and the jutsu is ended.

And you seem to forget that Kabuto has summons of his own. THEY can take care of the dogs. And his edos aren't going to JUST attack the dogs like you seem to think. They will be going for Nagato. And the number of them would make that 5 second interval seem like an eternity. And the fact that he really can't be killed, and his edos can't be killed...he could certainly outlast Nagato, even with Nagato's massive stamina. Nagato has no answers.

Also, since it seems that you DID read my comment about Madara, let me explain. Yes, Madara was never under Kabuto's control. Why? Because if Kabuto took complete control of Madara, Madara would have been weaker. Kabuto wouldn't be able to fight nearly as well for Madara than Madara could fight for himself. But the fact of the matter was that if he wanted too, Kabuto could have certainly taken full control of Madara, since he was one of his edos.

Naruto would also lose to Kabuto, don't know what your thinking. Nagato is a part of Kabuto's arsenal in this scenario as well. And Naruto cannot beat all of Kabuto's edos at once. It's not possible. I don't even want to explain. Naruto wins.

And I will admit, I was wrong about Deidara beating the Raikages, I forgot about his weakness against Raiton users. But the reason why Sasori and Orochimaru beat them is poison. The Raikages have weak points, and those points are their eyes, mouth, and nose. Some poisoned iron sand getting there from the third kazekage puppet would spell Sasori's victory. And considering the sheer power of the iron sand, he may even be able to pierce their skin (particularly A's). Sasori can also produce a MASSIVE cloud of poison gas at whim. With that he could also easily win. Orochimaru's true form's blood also spews poison gas, and since neither he nor Sasori can really be killed, they will eventually succeed in their poisoning attempts. And about Sasuke, he just has to wait for the Raikages to come to him. If he can get close, Amaterasu would be easier. But I will agree, I was definitely underrating the Raikages a bit, that one is hard to judge.

I don't know about Deidara beating Gaara, but Sasori does. Sasori's iron sand is powerful enough to pierce Gaara's sand for sure. And at the very least Sasori can outlast Gaara. Also, about Sasuke, Gaara cannot block Amaterasu. He blocked Sasuke's attempt at manipulating already existing flames. Amaterasu himself he cannot block. And either way, there are still already too many people who can defeat Gaara for him to be in your top ten.

 

[6pathofpain]

First of all, I explained to you in my comment why Madara CAN be used, so please, read before you copy/paste. Secondly, you may be using Itachi in your argument, but he still counts unless you're pitting Kabuto vs Itachi, which in this case (Kabuto vs Nagato), you're not.

And basically your only argument for Kabuto was 1. CT and 2. the dog summon.

Firstly, you seem to forget Kabuto's genius. He is certainly smart enough to figure out the counter to CT. And all that is necessary is 1 Jinton by Muu to destroy the core and the jutsu is ended.

And you seem to forget that Kabuto has summons of his own. THEY can take care of the dogs. And his edos aren't going to JUST attack the dogs like you seem to think. They will be going for Nagato. And the number of them would make that 5 second interval seem like an eternity. And the fact that he really can't be killed, and his edos can't be killed...he could certainly outlast Nagato, even with Nagato's massive stamina. Nagato has no answers.

Also, since it seems that you DID read my comment about Madara, let me explain. Yes, Madara was never under Kabuto's control. Why? Because if Kabuto took complete control of Madara, Madara would have been weaker. Kabuto wouldn't be able to fight nearly as well for Madara than Madara could fight for himself. But the fact of the matter was that if he wanted too, Kabuto could have certainly taken full control of Madara, since he was one of his edos.

Naruto would also lose to Kabuto, don't know what your thinking. Nagato is a part of Kabuto's arsenal in this scenario as well. And Naruto cannot beat all of Kabuto's edos at once. It's not possible. I don't even want to explain. Naruto wins.

And I will admit, I was wrong about Deidara beating the Raikages, I forgot about his weakness against Raiton users. But the reason why Sasori and Orochimaru beat them is poison. The Raikages have weak points, and those points are their eyes, mouth, and nose. Some poisoned iron sand getting there from the third kazekage puppet would spell Sasori's victory. And considering the sheer power of the iron sand, he may even be able to pierce their skin (particularly A's). Sasori can also produce a MASSIVE cloud of poison gas at whim. With that he could also easily win. Orochimaru's true form's blood also spews poison gas, and since neither he nor Sasori can really be killed, they will eventually succeed in their poisoning attempts. And about Sasuke, he just has to wait for the Raikages to come to him. If he can get close, Amaterasu would be easier. But I will agree, I was definitely underrating the Raikages a bit, that one is hard to judge.

I don't know about Deidara beating Gaara, but Sasori does. Sasori's iron sand is powerful enough to pierce Gaara's sand for sure. And at the very least Sasori can outlast Gaara. Also, about Sasuke, Gaara cannot block Amaterasu. He blocked Sasuke's attempt at manipulating already existing flames. Amaterasu himself he cannot block. And either way, there are still already too many people who can defeat Gaara for him to be in your top ten.

The dogs will be going after The edo's the edo's wont be able to ignore them theyll be way to many of them and in numbers there no where near weak. Most of kabuto's edo's beside Madara and the kages are losers compared to nagato and wont stand a chance, and i think his human path with one touch will finish a edo(not a fact but makes since). O yea and i forgot about itachi he's not a loser. And with all nagato really has to do is kill kabuto which if he's on the feild wont be to hard. Kabuto knows alot of jutsu and does alot of research but he himself said he doesnt know much about the rinnegan and as far as his brains go battle wise i wouldnt put him in the top 5. Your underestimating those dogs, and also i dont think nagato has a 5 sec interval i think thats just pain. Cause when he fought naruto he used universal pull then pulled down a smal metor to hit him with. And if nagato lures the edo's away and does planetary devastation, i dont think any of his edo's beside itachi will figure out how to beat it and thats if you wanna count him in this and also if kabuto hasnt taken over him mind comepletely and made him a mindless drone. Not to mention i dont he'd even wanna help kabuto. If nagato takes down all those edo's with planetary devastation which is not impossible and is actually the perfect jutsu to stop alot of enemies. Kabuto's sage mode will be destroyed.

And if naruto doesnt beat kabuto it will only be because of nagato. But BM mode could blitz past all the edo's easily catch kabuto's cocky ass of guard and kill him. Plus if kabuto has all his edo's out he wont feel the need to go into sage mode so he's deffinitly dead.

And i still dont count madara cause was never under control and could of canceled the edo as soon as he got out if he wanted to.

I dont think sasori's sand rather its poisened or not will get to A. Oro with his poiseon might tho so i could agree with that. I still doubt itll be that easy tho.

And deffinetly dont have sasori beating gaara since he can fly and sasori n=can only have his puppets go so high

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

1/2. Nagato or Edo madara

wrong

Hashirama

HAHAHA no. nagato demolishes that featless trash

and thats all i got only because nagato actually isnt that battle smart and itachi is really smart

intelligence is almost never a factor in nagato battles as he overpowers everyone. all the smarts in the world cant find a counter for chibaku tensei. itachi needed two perfect jins to deal with that. and he has no answer for gedo mazo or chameleon summon. and no. nagato is very experienced and outsmarted jiraiya/fukasaku

tobi and kabuto are nowhere near the top

i should sig this for stupIdity. HOW ARE THEY NOT THE TOP TWO?

First my top 10
1, edo madara

Wrong

5, hashirama he can create a lot of wood but the top ninja have a lot of destructive force which can level it w/o much effort

if you include this featless shit why not rikudo and hiruzen

7, minato/itachi both are equal atleast that is how they are potrayed in the manga

their abilities are far too different to be equal. depends entirely on circumstance and conditions

Kabuto im assuming your giving all his edo's? Well that wont include madara because he was never under kabuto's control

kabuto stated he was controlling madara but letting him do what he wanted

nagato couldnt stop 8 tails hashi defeated an ems user and nine tails

that was deva pain, a mere zombie puppet. and yes he could have stopped it by making CT larger but naruto got control over himself. hashirama needed his wifes help and never defeated kyuubi. defeating kyuubi is impossible. your only option is to seal it or run.

Gaara would lose to Sasuke, Sasori, Kakuzu, Muu, Second Mizukage, Deidara, and SO many others

if in the desert no way

7. Prime Hiruzen

if your going to include him why not rikudo sennin

Kabuto is not #1. Your top ten has already started off wrong.

...yes he is. just because you think ET is cheap doesnt mean its not strong

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

And if naruto doesnt beat kabuto it will only be because of nagato. But BM mode could blitz past all the edo's easily catch kabuto's cocky ass of guard and kill him. Plus if kabuto has all his edo's out he wont feel the need to go into sage mode so he's deffinitly dead.

that would make naruto able to defeat him but not STRONGER. to be stronger he'd have to defeat each and every edo since ET doesnt end with the users death