Deidara vs Sasori?

[Turson]

Then you're pretty blind. Have you ever seen gaara or his dad make needles?

You dont undestand. Gaara has different fighting style, but he can do with sand what he wants. He can form in into ball, tree or even human. To put it simply: form of sand is only limited to his imagination. Its the same with Sasori and Iron Sand.

 

[Draegod]

The 3rds Magnetic field only extends so far if they are in a open location ( once again location would of helped) then deidara can out fly the field .. so the drizzle would not reach him ..

/sigh the third was not special because he could controll iron sand whenever he wanted .. he was strong due to the fact he could convert chakra to magnetic forces thus enabling him to use the iron sand ..... And that magnetic force has a limit

And what makes you think his magnetic force has a travel limit? nothing has hinted that!

Plus the fact a puppet master can make his puppet go as far as they like! All it takes is chakra strings! Simple as that! Sasori can make his puppets "float/fly" with no effort! With that he could make his kaze get closer and solve this "limit" you speak of that has never been shown/hinted!

He can create anything with in reason! shape or form! Period! their is basically no limit expect his imagination! Just like gaara ( shukaku host) he can manipulate it to his liking!'

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[Zexion~]

Give it up dude! If i ve countered everything diedara could do what is left???

You bring up intelegence but fail to realize sasori is a genius! like itachi, sasuke, neji etc etc. He even killed a genius unlike almost anyone (3rd kazekage). He had spys everywhere. Everything he did was always calculated! So please dont bring up smarts! sasori>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>diedara by a longggggggggggggggggggggggggg shot! Diedara is hot headed, sasori is always calm no matter the situation!

Gaara didnt even need all that sand to protect himself. He used that much sand to.... PROTECT THE VILLAGE!!! FACT OF THE MANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the sand held up easily!

Metal>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sand! Fact of life! Sasori has been shown to manipulate it to what ever he pleases! Fact of manga is the 3rd kaze based his powers/abilities with the iron sand based of a shukaku host (like gaara, uses sand). And its a fact he can make any shape or form with his sand he chooses to make! he could simply make a cube prison to encase his body in to protect from literally what ever diedara has ever shown in the manga!!! Metal>>>>>>>Snake skin! If manda can survive (no getting blown to pieces) im sure metal can survive.


Iron sand shower>>>>>diedara! He will not be fast enough to dodge them! then we has 100 puppets! That will be more than enough to overwhelm him! And everything is drenched in poison aswelll???? Get out of here!

Fact is sasori has a counter for everthing diedara has shown, but deidara can not counter everything sasori has shown!

Bombs! That is all he is about! Sasori will take the proper precautions and attack accordingly! He is that good! NAd you must be mistaken! Hiruko is a puppet and nothing more! sasori can be inside the puppet or outside the puppet. Either way he can control the puppet since it is just that.. A puppet!

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you tell me how deidara counters sasoris entire arsenal?

Fine i will Post all the logical counters When i return .. if you want ill debate you in it .. however ill leave you with this sasori is smart a genious when it comes to human anatomy and poisons ( also crafting) however he has not shown to be a tactical genius. Deidara must proportionate his clay and analyze the battle then come up with tactics based on the amount of clay he has left every fight . Thats pretty genius if you ask me. fighting with a set limited amount of something usually requires Much intelligence especially when it is your main force of attack .

 

[AGoodBoy]

You dont undestand. Gaara has different fighting style, but he can do with sand what he wants. He can form in into ball, tree or even human. To put it simply: form of sand is only limited to his imagination. Its the same with Sasori and Iron Sand.

gaara has a different manipulation of sand. that is what you don't understand. 3rd and 4th use magnetism. Gaara uses chakra, that's why he's able to manipulate his chakra how he please. He uses chakra to manipulate the sand individually where as those other 2 use magnetism to manipulate it in clumps. But, the biggest point is, sasori doesn't necessarily know about these things. he isn't the kazekage who would know how to use his jutsu properly, he is a puppet master. sasori has to manipulate a puppet which then has to manipulate sand. that's possibly far harder than doing it yourself.

 

[Turson]

gaara has a different manipulation of sand. that is what you don't understand. 3rd and 4th use magnetism. Gaara uses chakra, that's why he's able to manipulate his chakra how he please. He uses chakra to manipulate the sand individually where as those other 2 use magnetism to manipulate it in clumps. But, the biggest point is, sasori doesn't necessarily know about these things. he isn't the kazekage who would know how to use his jutsu properly, he is a puppet master. sasori has to manipulate a puppet which then has to manipulate sand. that's possibly far harder than doing it yourself.

Gaara uses his unique trait to control sand, and 3rd was using his unique trait to manipuilate IS - I undestand that completely. But both can give it any shape they want, thats my point. I think that Sasori is smart enough to know how to form IS into shield, its nothing complicated.

 

[Draegod]

no that's not what he's saying because the 3rd and 4th had the same jutsu - jiton. 3rd was just better than him, and gaara is better than both.



That's holo. Sasori's never made the kazekage puppet make a holy object, nor has he used iron sand shower. He can't just use gaara's jutsu because his thing has sand in it's name. He's never shown 1 of gaara's jutsu. Stop extending. These are more made up feat. Use what's in the manga. Sasori wins with manga feats, not all this made up BS

SO sasori doesnt have iron sand shower? ok....

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First off! Nothing that gaara does is a "jutsu" (i.e. fire style)! It is simply a tech gaara has named! "sand tsunami" is simply a wave of sand, fact! But yet:

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GAaras dad match tech for tech EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHy you ask????????????? because it is simply manipulating teh dust/sand/iron sand to your liking! SImple as that! And its a fact the 3rd based his use of the iron sand to the previous host of the shukaku!


What you fail to see (because your a blind fan in denial) is they are simply manipulating their sand/dust to what ever their will chooses! You say 3rd can only create objects yet:

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WHat object is this???? Im sorry i must be dumb and didnt go to school to know what this object is called! Maybe you could help me! :dunno:

Clearly you know nothing about sasori! DO you research before judging any character! I know ever character inside and out! Their isnt a character in the manga i do not know about by heart! I know every jutsu ever displayed and every fight ever shown by heart! And its clear you cannot compare!

anything else???....

 

[AGoodBoy]

SO sasori doesnt have iron sand shower? ok....

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First off! Nothing that gaara does is a "jutsu"! Fact of manga! It is simply a tech gaara has named! "sand tsunami" is simply a wave of sand, fact! But yet:

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GAaras dad match tech for tech EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHy you ask????????????? because it is simply manipulating teh dust/sand/iron sand to your liking! SImple as that! And its a fact the 3rd based his use of the iron sand to the previous host of the shukaku!


What you fail to see (because your a blind fan in denial) is they are simply manipulating their sand/dust to what ever their will chooses! You say 3rd can only create objects yet:

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WHat object is this???? Im sorry i must be dumb and didnt go to school to know what this object is called! Maybe you could help me! :dunno:

Clearly you know nothing about sasori! DO you research before judging any character! I know ever character inside and out! Their isnt a character in the manga i do not know about by heart! I know every jutsu ever displayed and every fight ever shown by heart! And its clear you cannot compare!

anything else???....

I thought you meant something else with IS shower, sorry.


Gaara's dad didn't match tech for tech. Did he use sand coffin? No.
Did he use sand arm? No.
He only used Gold dust tsunami and gold dust wave. Then, a flash back showed us gold dust eye. That isn't remotely close to 10% of gaara's arsenal.

They're not called jutsu but they are different. To do sand coffin, sand burrial, sand hail etc... he uses grains of sand to encased the enemy or otherwise. His techniques revolve around the semi fluidity of the sand.

Look at your own scan. Notice how jagged and sharp the object is. Gaara's never made an object like that. It's clear that the guy's jutsu are vastly different. He doesn't seem capable of manipulating IS in the same way as gaara. All his IS objects are very sharp and jagged like a bunch of poles, or spears, or cubes. He's not made any form of holo casing.
Your arrogance and overestimation of your knowledge only proves that you don't know what you're talking about.
IS manipulation isn't the same as gaara's manipulation. Manipulation through magnetism isn't the same as direct manipulation with chakra. The properties of IS(a metal), is different from that of sand.

So, if i were to get a magnet and use it to manipulate iron fillings, is that the same as picking up those iron fillings/a hand full of sand and doing whatever i want with it?

Gaara uses his unique trait to control sand, and 3rd was using his unique trait to manipuilate IS - I undestand that completely. But both can give it any shape they want, thats my point. I think that Sasori is smart enough to know how to form IS into shield, its nothing complicated.

The two of you need to stop trying to find ways to help you extend gaara's abilities to other characters. Kishi knows that if he gave gaara's abilties to these guys that they'd be invincible. How would have sasori even beat this dude if he was able to do sand armor in the first place? Sasori wouldn't get a chance to scratch him. your debate fails because of that simple fact. If this guy could use just a small few of gaara's jutsu, he would have ROFLstomped sasori with the added benefits of his magnetism.

Gaara uses his unique trait to manipulate grains of sand. Kazekage uses his unique trait to manipulate metal objects. Creating a magnetic field to move objects around how you please isn't the same as manipulating something freely. Lastly, I never said he can't form a shield? Just not a holy dome like some of you are trying to state. I even said sasori blocks C3 with iron sand. One of those giant IS rectangles are enough to absorb the force of the blast.

 

[Turson]

The two of you need to stop trying to find ways to help you extend gaara's abilities to other characters. Kishi knows that if he gave gaara's abilties to these guys that they'd be invincible. How would have sasori even beat this dude if he was able to do sand armor in the first place? Sasori wouldn't get a chance to scratch him. your debate fails because of that simple fact. If this guy could use just a small few of gaara's jutsu, he would have ROFLstomped sasori with the added benefits of his magnetism.

What Sand Armor? I only said that Sasori can manipulate IS into shield, which is obvious since he can give it any shape he wants.

 

[AGoodBoy]

What Sand Armor? I only said that Sasori can manipulate IS into shield, which is obvious since he can give it any shape he wants.

Honestly i just wanted to add that in to refute some other claims that he can do whatever he wants. I've seen people(elsewhere) saying sasori could put iron sand armor around kazekage.

 

[Draegod]

I thought you meant something else with IS shower, sorry.


Gaara's dad didn't match tech for tech. Did he use sand coffin? No.
Did he use sand arm? No.
He only used Gold dust tsunami and gold dust wave. Then, a flash back showed us gold dust eye. That isn't remotely close to 10% of gaara's arsenal.

They're not called jutsu but they are different. To do sand coffin, sand burrial, sand hail etc... he uses grains of sand to encased the enemy or otherwise. His techniques revolve around the semi fluidity of the sand.

Look at your own scan. Notice how jagged and sharp the object is. Gaara's never made an object like that. It's clear that the guy's jutsu are vastly different. He doesn't seem capable of manipulating IS in the same way as gaara. All his IS objects are very sharp and jagged like a bunch of poles, or spears, or cubes. He's not made any form of holo casing.
Your arrogance and overestimation of your knowledge only proves that you don't know what you're talking about.
IS manipulation isn't the same as gaara's manipulation. Manipulation through magnetism isn't the same as direct manipulation with chakra. The properties of IS(a metal), is different from that of sand.

So, if i were to get a magnet and use it to manipulate iron fillings, is that the same as picking up those iron fillings/a hand full of sand and doing whatever i want with it?



The two of you need to stop trying to find ways to help you extend gaara's abilities to other characters. Kishi knows that if he gave gaara's abilties to these guys that they'd be invincible. How would have sasori even beat this dude if he was able to do sand armor in the first place? Sasori wouldn't get a chance to scratch him. your debate fails because of that simple fact. If this guy could use just a small few of gaara's jutsu, he would have ROFLstomped sasori with the added benefits of his magnetism.

Gaara uses his unique trait to manipulate grains of sand. Kazekage uses his unique trait to manipulate metal objects. Creating a magnetic field to move objects around how you please isn't the same as manipulating something freely. Lastly, I never said he can't form a shield? Just not a holy dome like some of you are trying to state. I even said sasori blocks C3 with iron sand. One of those giant IS rectangles are enough to absorb the force of the blast.

I already proved you wrong plenty of times and your still coming at me?

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This article is about describing the shape of an object. For common shapes, see list of geometric shapes. For other uses, see Shape (disambiguation).
The shape (Old English: gesceap, created thing) of an object located in some space is a geometrical description of the part of that space occupied by the object, as determined by its external boundary – abstracting from location and orientation in space, size, and other properties such as colour, content, and material composition.
Mathematician and statistician David George Kendall writes:[1]
In this paper ‘shape’ is used in the vulgar sense, and means what one would normally expect it to mean. [...] We here define ‘shape’ informally as ‘all the geometrical information that remains when location, scale[2] and rotational effects are filtered out from an object.’
Simple shapes can be described by basic geometry objects such as a set of two or more points, a line, a curve, a plane, a plane figure (e.g. square or circle), or a solid figure (e.g. cube or sphere). Most shapes occurring in the physical world are complex. Some, such as plant structures and coastlines, may be so arbitrary as to defy traditional mathematical description – in which case they may be analyzed by differential geometry, or as fractals.

form (fôrm)
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1.
a. The shape and structure of an object.
b. The body or outward appearance of a person or an animal considered separately from the face or head; figure.



What does shape or form mean again????

Just because it doesnt look exactly like gaaras tech doesnt mean he cannot mimic them! Iron and and regular sand are not the same so ofc IT WILL NOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME IN APPEARANCE!

What dont you get??? He can make what ever he wants (with in reason) with his iron sand! Iron sand>>>>>>>>>>>bombs!


DEIDARA admitted his "boss" is stronger! They were teammates for years! What diedara/kishi says>>>>>>>>>>.Your opinion!

I literaaly countered deidaras best moves! And that isnt all sasori has is what you fail to realize! Sasori can counter deidara, but deidara can not counter sasori! Get it???

 

[Draegod]

Honestly i just wanted to add that in to refute some other claims that he can do whatever he wants. I've seen people(elsewhere) saying sasori could put iron sand armor around kazekage.

And who is to say he cannot put iron sand aromur over his body????????????????????

It isnt impossible nor is it hard! It is literaaly making the iron sand cover your entire body! It isnt a jutsu! It is simply the will of its user (magnet release kkg). Its just like gaara encasing his body with regular sand. It isnt hard nor impossible! Irion sand is this:

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Why cant he use that to mimic this???

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I know its OP as fuq! And since you do not like sasori will never accept this is a possiblity! 3rd kazekage is OP as fuq, get with it or get loss!

This is also a possibilty!

Spoiler

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Again it is simply making the iron sand do exactly what you want it to do!

 

[Zexion~]

So draegod would you like to debate or no?

 

[Draegod]

So draegod would you like to debate or no?

I dont debate per say, i simply say what i want to say. You either choose to respond or not. What is their to debate about? Sasori>deidara! Fact of manga!

Would you like to "debate" about another match up?

 

[AGoodBoy]

I already proved you wrong plenty of times and your still coming at me?

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This article is about describing the shape of an object. For common shapes, see list of geometric shapes. For other uses, see Shape (disambiguation).
The shape (Old English: gesceap, created thing) of an object located in some space is a geometrical description of the part of that space occupied by the object, as determined by its external boundary – abstracting from location and orientation in space, size, and other properties such as colour, content, and material composition.
Mathematician and statistician David George Kendall writes:[1]
In this paper ‘shape’ is used in the vulgar sense, and means what one would normally expect it to mean. [...] We here define ‘shape’ informally as ‘all the geometrical information that remains when location, scale[2] and rotational effects are filtered out from an object.’
Simple shapes can be described by basic geometry objects such as a set of two or more points, a line, a curve, a plane, a plane figure (e.g. square or circle), or a solid figure (e.g. cube or sphere). Most shapes occurring in the physical world are complex. Some, such as plant structures and coastlines, may be so arbitrary as to defy traditional mathematical description – in which case they may be analyzed by differential geometry, or as fractals.

form (fôrm)
n.
1.
a. The shape and structure of an object.
b. The body or outward appearance of a person or an animal considered separately from the face or head; figure.



What does shape or form mean again????

Just because it doesnt look exactly like gaaras tech doesnt mean he cannot mimic them! Iron and and regular sand are not the same so ofc IT WILL NOT BE EXACTLY THE SAME IN APPEARANCE!

What dont you get??? He can make what ever he wants (with in reason) with his iron sand! Iron sand>>>>>>>>>>>bombs!


DEIDARA admitted his "boss" is stronger! They were teammates for years! What diedara/kishi says>>>>>>>>>>.Your opinion!

I literaaly countered deidaras best moves! And that isnt all sasori has is what you fail to realize! Sasori can counter deidara, but deidara can not counter sasori! Get it???

wtf are you talking about in your last 3 post? I'm not even arguing deidara wins. I've said he lost. I'm here refuting your made up shit.

It's not the fact that it didn't look like gaara's techs. It's that fact that it in no way was gaara's techs. Because i'm a skilled enough with playdough to create a cube, doesn't mean i can create a holy cube. In the first place, a holy object has the potential to collapse on itself and it takes much more concentration and skill to keep within that shape. Kazekage can't do water he pleases. He manipulated IS in clumps, not as grains. While gaara works with something akin to small pebbles, kazekage has to work with stones.
Tell me something. How did sasori beat 3rd kazekage if he was able to use IS tsunami, armor, dome, hail, hands, coffin, burial... etc. After all, they're all shapes right? He's able to make any shape right? So he should be able to do those things as they're just manipulation. Sand armor is just a thing layer, somewhat like a sheet of paper (sheet being a shape). iron clumps =/= grains of sand

 

[AGoodBoy]

And who is to say he cannot put iron sand aromur over his body????????????????????

It isnt impossible nor is it hard! It is literaaly making the iron sand cover your entire body! It isnt a jutsu! It is simply the will of its user (magnet release kkg). Its just like gaara encasing his body with regular sand. It isnt hard nor impossible! Irion sand is this:

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Why cant he use that to mimic this???

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I know its OP as fuq! And since you do not like sasori will never accept this is a possiblity! 3rd kazekage is OP as fuq, get with it or get loss!

I already said sasori wins. Stop throwing desperate attacks because you're a sasori fanboy.Kazekage isn't OP or he wouldn't be dead to puppets that are RIIDDLED with metal

 

[Zexion~]

I dont debate per say, i simply say what i want to say. You either choose to respond or not. What is their to debate about? Sasori>deidara! Fact of manga!

Would you like to "debate" about another match up?

umm sure . if your serious id love a debate..

 

[Turson]

Tell me something. How did sasori beat 3rd kazekage if he was able to use IS tsunami, armor, dome, hail, hands, coffin, burial... etc. After all, they're all shapes right? He's able to make any shape right?

Logically speaking, Sasori (at age of 15 on top of that) shouldnt have any chance against 3rd even without that stuff simply becuase IS makes any puppet useless. Thing is, we know nothing about that battle. In fact, we dont know if there was any battle, for all we know Sasori could just ambush him. So its no argument.

 

[Draegod]

wtf are you talking about in your last 3 post? I'm not even arguing deidara wins. I've said he lost. I'm here refuting your made up shit.

It's not the fact that it didn't look like gaara's techs. It's that fact that it in no way was gaara's techs. Because i'm a skilled enough with playdough to create a cube, doesn't mean i can create a holy cube. In the first place, a holy object has the potential to collapse on itself and it takes much more concentration and skill to keep within that shape. Kazekage can't do water he pleases. He manipulated IS in clumps, not as grains. While gaara works with something akin to small pebbles, kazekage has to work with stones.
Tell me something. How did sasori beat 3rd kazekage if he was able to use IS tsunami, armor, dome, hail, hands, coffin, burial... etc. After all, they're all shapes right? He's able to make any shape right? So he should be able to do those things as they're just manipulation. Sand armor is just a thing layer, somewhat like a sheet of paper (sheet being a shape). iron clumps =/= grains of sand

I already said sasori wins. Stop throwing desperate attacks because you're a sasori fanboy.Kazekage isn't OP or he wouldn't be dead to puppets that are RIIDDLED with metal

**sigh**

You have no idea what iron sand is do you???

This is iron sand:

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This is regular sand:

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as you can see iron sand is lumps or clumps like you think it is (fact of life). Lets take it a bit further!

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Does that look like clumps or linear shapes to you??? Or does that look similar to:

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As you can see; both in its base form (loose) doesnt have a definite shape! This thus gives them the option to form what ever they please! (fact of manga and life!).


But let me take it a bit futher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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3rd kaze has magnet abilities correct?

Notice how this magnet is completely covered by iron sand! Why is that????..... Ill wait.... 1+1=2 correct?.... Im sure you added things up by now.....


Iron sand has NO DEFINITE SHAPE!!!! SO it can be molded to what ever since it is basically tiny particals/grains of iron!

Magnet=3rd kazekage!

Irion sand=iron sand

magnet (kaze) uses ability to make irion sand (iron sand) cover itself (magnet(kaze)).


Get it???????????????


Lets go even futher!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Ironsand
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Iron sand from Phoenix, Arizona, attracted to a magnet.
Ironsand is a type of sand with heavy concentrations of iron. It is typically dark grey or blackish in colour.
It comprises mainly magnetite, Fe3O4, and also contains small amounts of titanium, manganese, vanadium, silica, manganese, calcium and vanadium.[1]
Ironsand has a tendency to heat up in direct sunlight, causing temperatures high enough to cause minor burns. As such it forms a hazard in New Zealand at popular west-coast surf beaches like Piha.[2]"

A magnet (from Greek μαγνήτις λίθος magnḗtis líthos, "Magnesian stone") is a material or object that produces a magnetic field. This magnetic field is invisible but is responsible for the most notable property of a magnet: a force that pulls on other ferromagnetic materials, such as iron, and attracts or repels other magnets.
A permanent magnet is an object made from a material that is magnetized and creates its own persistent magnetic field. An everyday example is a refrigerator magnet used to hold notes on a refrigerator door. Materials that can be magnetized, which are also the ones that are strongly attracted to a magnet, are called ferromagnetic (or ferrimagnetic). These include iron, nickel, cobalt, some alloys of rare earth metals, and some naturally occurring minerals such as lodestone. Although ferromagnetic (and ferrimagnetic) materials are the only ones attracted to a magnet strongly enough to be commonly considered magnetic, all other substances respond weakly to a magnetic field, by one of several other types of magnetism.
Ferromagnetic materials can be divided into magnetically "soft" materials like annealed iron, which can be magnetized but do not tend to stay magnetized, and magnetically "hard" materials, which do. Permanent magnets are made from "hard" ferromagnetic materials such as alnico and ferrite that are subjected to special processing in a powerful magnetic field during manufacture, to align their internal microcrystalline structure, making them very hard to demagnetize. To demagnetize a saturated magnet, a certain magnetic field must be applied, and this threshold depends on coercivity of the respective material. "Hard" materials have high coercivity, whereas "soft" materials have low coercivity.
An electromagnet is made from a coil of wire that acts as a magnet when an electric current passes through it but stops being a magnet when the current stops. Often, the coil is wrapped around a core of "soft" ferromagnetic material such as steel, which greatly enhances the magnetic field produced by the coil.
The overall strength of a magnet is measured by its magnetic moment or, alternatively, the total magnetic flux it produces. The local strength of magnetism in a material is measured by its magnetization.

"iron sand is a type of sand" is the definition correct???


WHat dont you get???

The 3rd is simply OP AS FUQ! ANd sasori with it is Amazingly OP! GEt over it!!!

 

[Draegod]

umm sure . if your serious id love a debate..

lol naw im not serious, but you could make me serious if you want to. I dont like to debate on a dime, i simply see something i disagree with and prove my points!

 

[Zexion~]

lol naw im not serious, but you could make me serious if you want to. I dont like to debate on a dime, i simply see something i disagree with and prove my points!

Alright haha thats cool