[VS] Deidara vs. Jiraiya

[Shura]

Location: Sasuke vs. Deidara
Knowledge: Deidara knows Jiraiya uses Toad Summonings and Jiraiya knows Deidara is an Akatsuki member.
Restrictions: C0.
Distance: 30 Meters

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Who wins?

I'd say Deidara wins.

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[Curse Mark]

Most likely deidara takes this mid diff.

 

[Prince Charles]

Hard to say really, i think a big decider here is if jiraiya manages to enter Sage mode along side ma and pa and perform their frog song which is basically a one shot technique on anybody since it freezes the mind and body. But the frog song tech itself is flawed.

stated by Pa the frog song takes a considerable amount of time to take effect and it gives away their location if jiraiya and them plan on doing it from a secure location on deidara.[

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and when i say considerable time i actually quite a while as shown against the pains. Here is when the frog songs starts.[

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Through all this is when the frog song actually takes effect in sequence, i skip no pages.[

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All the scans i provided 1-10 show the frog tech first taking place to the moment where it finally takes effect, it simply takes too long. One could argue it longer because it was being used on more than one enemy which seems plausible but thats merely an assumption. Manga shows the frog simply taking too long.

All in all i favor deidara he can end this with a C4 imo

 

[Bogard]

Jiraya would win. If they start the fight underground, Jiraya will finish him with his advanced ninjutsu(katon, doton yomi numa, and so on). But if smh Deidara manages to take flight, it should be more interesting. But, IC-Deidara is always unprepared in battle(not having enough clay for example). He won't ressort on C4 anytime soon unless he judge it necessary or feels himself in danger, and maybe at the time where he would really need it, he won't have enough clay anymore. He would probably start with C1 or C2 as usual that could be dodged or countered by Jiraya's defensive moves(clones, kawarimi, his hair), and thus would have to stay at a certain range of his opponent for his attacks to be effective.

On the other side, Jiraya will start with toad summons as usual, and like latest chapter has proven, toads are capable to close an insane distance from far something much bigger than a mountain sized like Juubi, far from it, to over it in one jump. So with a Deidara fighting at that certain distance, closing the distance would be a easy game for him. After closing the distance with his superior summon, he could either crush Deidara, or target him with some combos with Gamabunta(suiton, katon-oil, and so on) or long range attacks. Even if Deidara were to use C4, it would be seen by Jiraya's barrier(if Jiraya were to use it). Because of this, i'd favor Jiraya

 

[Shura]

Hard to say really, i think a big decider here is if jiraiya manages to enter Sage mode along side ma and pa and perform their frog song which is basically a one shot technique on anybody since it freezes the mind and body. But the frog song tech itself is flawed.

stated by Pa the frog song takes a considerable amount of time to take effect and it gives away their location if jiraiya and them plan on doing it from a secure location on deidara.[

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and when i say considerable time i actually quite a while as shown against the pains. Here is when the frog songs starts.[

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All the scans i provided 1-10 show the frog tech first taking place to the moment where it finally takes effect, it simply takes too long. One could argue it longer because it was being used on more than one enemy which seems plausible but thats merely an assumption. Manga shows the frog simply taking too long.

All in all i favor deidara he can end this with a C4 imo

Yeah, I agree.

 

[Prince Charles]

Jiraya would win. If they start the fight underground, Jiraya will finish him with his advanced ninjutsu(katon, doton yomi numa, and so on). But if smh Deidara manages to take flight, it should be more interesting. But, IC-Deidara is always unprepared in battle(not having enough clay for example). He won't ressort on C4 anytime soon unless he judge it necessary or feels himself in danger, and maybe at the time where he would really need it, he won't have enough clay anymore. He would probably start with C1 or C2 as usual that could be dodged or countered by Jiraya's defensive moves(clones, kawarimi, his hair), and thus would have to stay at a certain range of his opponent for his attacks to be effective.

On the other side, Jiraya will start with toad summons as usual, and like latest chapter has proven, toads are capable to close an insane distance from far something much bigger than a mountain sized like Juubi, far from it, to over it in one jump. So with a Deidara fighting at that certain distance, closing the distance would be a easy game for him. After closing the distance with his superior summon, he could either crush Deidara, or target him with some combos with Gamabunta(suiton, katon-oil, and so on) or long range attacks. Even if Deidara were to use C4, it would be seen by Jiraya's barrier(if Jiraya were to use it). Because of this, i'd favor Jiraya

Funny how you say this---> But, IC-Deidara is always unprepared in battle(not having enough clay for example).

Smh Bogard.. This is a 1vs1 match both parties should already be prepared. Dont use that ridiculous statement to help aid jiraiya.

Funny how you keep saying he will run out of clay when clearly he was capable of using C4 against hebi sasuke where he used a considerable amount of clay before he used C4..:| he was even able to make another C4[

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Toad summons? Erm.. C3? [

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[pateuvasiliu]

Toad Flame Oil Bullet would kill Deidara and anything on a 200 meter radius.

Jiraiya won't need SM.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Deidara, mid diff at best. No explanation needed.

 

[Bogard]

Funny how you say this---> But, IC-Deidara is always unprepared in battle(not having enough clay for example).

Smh Bogard.. This is a 1vs1 match both parties should already be prepared. Dont use that ridiculous statement to help aid jiraiya.

Funny how you keep saying he will run out of clay when clearly he was capable of using C4 against hebi sasuke where he used a considerable amount of clay before he used C4..:| he was even able to make another C4[

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I always use in-character tactics when i debate because it's how they were portrayed in the manga. You can't start to give Shikamaru's intelligence to Hidan, you can't give Sasuke's spamming fighting style to Itachi or Kakashi and so on. If i were, then someone like Kakashi would be invincible in battledome except if he were to fight high teleporters like Obito or Minato maybe, since he could easily one-shot people off-the bat, but no, it's not like that. Every character has a side of personality that Kishi gave them in the manga that should be taken into consideration in a fight. The reason one or another lose or win can be because of said character.

For example, Deidara was much more powerful than Sasuke powerwise, but Sasuke was smarter, when Deidara lacked knowledge on Sharingan and also started to rush things without thinking which were the main reason behind his defeat. So the laughable thing here is you not taking Deidara's character into account in this fight

Toad summons? Erm.. C3? [

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You mean he would use the attack that need most of his clay only to kill try to kill one toad(not even sure he would die since even his strongest jutsu(C0) didn't kill Manda instantly). If he does that, he would be out of clay immediately

 

[Prince Charles]

Toad Flame Oil Bullet would kill Deidara and anything on a 200 meter radius.

Jiraiya won't need SM.

Pfft.. hide like a mole technique can evade it.

 

[Prince Charles]

I always use in-character tactics when i debate because it's how they were portrayed in the manga. You can't start to give Shikamaru's intelligence to Hidan, you can't give Sasuke's spamming fighting style to Itachi or Kakashi and so on. If i were, then someone like Kakashi would be invincible in battledome except if he were to fight high teleporters like Obito or Minato maybe, since he could easily one-shot people off-the bat, but no, it's not like that. Every character has a side of personality that Kishi gave them in the manga that should be taken into consideration in a fight. The reason one or another lose or win can be because of said character.

For example, Deidara was much more powerful than Sasuke powerwise, but Sasuke was smarter, when Deidara lacked knowledge on Sharingan and also started to rush things without thinking which were the main reason behind his defeat. So the laughable thing here is you not taking Deidara's character into account in this fight

You mean he would use the attack that need most of his clay only to kill try to kill one toad(not even sure he would die since even his strongest jutsu(C0) didn't kill Manda instantly). If he does that, he would be out of clay immediately

Your examples regarding those other characters are bull. This is a legit 1vs1 fight both parties should be prepared but never the less ill let you presume you hidan is unprepared to help aid jiraiya.

For example, Deidara was much more powerful than Sasuke powerwise, but Sasuke was smarter, when Deidara lacked knowledge on Sharingan and also started to rush things without thinking which were the main reason behind his defeat. So the laughable thing here is you not taking Deidara's character into account in this fight

he was not underestimating the sharigan or rushing into anything. Do you want me to pull the scan where sasuke saids he was analyzing and studying diedaras bombs and how they work from the beginning? or how deidaras earth release was weakened thanks to sasukes raiton? You dont even put into the consideration that the sasukes sharigan was also a counter to some of deidaras techniques which jiraiya does not have.

smh saying deidara was rushing into things...

You mean he would use the attack that need most of his clay only to kill try to kill one toad(not even sure he would die since even his strongest jutsu(C0) didn't kill Manda instantly). If he does that, he would be out of clay immediately

Kill one toad? or how about multiple toads? does it matter? manda still died due to the result of C0[

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Manage disagrees since it clearly shows deidara still using clay even after using C3 or C2

 

[Fodder#4]

For me, it all depends on how quickly Deidara can make it off the ground. The longer he remains on the ground the better chance Jiraiya has of dealing a credible blow towards his person.

And, even if he is in the air. . He will be needing to get pretty high. Other wise he could fall victim to a Gamabunta and Jiraiya combo katon.

But, assuming he can get in the air and somehow evade this combo jutsu; Deidara wins. Even if Jiraiya gets sage mode. He just can't catch Deidara when he's that high up.

 

[Bogard]

Your examples regarding those other characters are bull. This is a legit 1vs1 fight both parties should be prepared but never the less ill let you presume you hidan is unprepared to help aid jiraiya.

What's the point? No one said it wasn't a 1vs1. I said Deidara has a fighting style that should be taken into consideration. You'll never see me saying that Minato will start a fight by summoning Gamabunta, Pa or Ma or others for example, never since it's in his character to do so. It has nothing to do with the contenders here. It's called logic following up to the manga

he was not underestimating the sharigan or rushing into anything. Do you want me to pull the scan where sasuke saids he was analyzing and studying diedaras bombs and how they work from the beginning? or how deidaras earth release was weakened thanks to sasukes raiton? You dont even put into the consideration that the sasukes sharigan was also a counter to some of deidaras techniques which jiraiya does not have.

Didn't you see the part where i said Sasuke was smarter? You are only describing that part however. Deidara clearly lacked knowledge on Sharingan, reason why he created his ultimate move(C4) trying to kill Itachi not knowing Sharingan could see chakra. Deidara was young after all. Even when he met Neji, he was wondering what was the difference between Sharingan and Byakugan. He is a character who lacked a lot of experience during battle. It's for that reason Sasori even thought he could die easily

You mean he would use the attack that need most of his clay only to kill try to kill one toad(not even sure he would die since even his strongest jutsu(C0) didn't kill Manda instantly). If he does that, he would be out of clay immediately

Kill one toad? or how about multiple toads? does it matter? manda still died due to the result of C0[

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Manage disagrees since it clearly shows deidara still using clay even after using C3 or C2

C0 is far superior to C3 and Manda still survive until some point, so it's not even sure C3 will kill one of the toads. Why multiple toads when Jiraya will/will only need to summon one? Also mangapage where we see Deidara using clay after C3 please? Even if he used, it was probably one of his last portion of clay. He said it himself C3 takes the most of his clay. So it's a move Deidara would be careful in using in battle

 

[Prince Charles]

What's the point? No one said it wasn't a 1vs1. I said Deidara has a fighting style that should be taken into consideration. You'll never see me saying that Minato will start a fight by summoning Gamabunta, Pa or Ma or others for example, never since it's in his character to do so. It has nothing to do with the contenders here. It's called logic following up to the manga

Didn't you see the part where i said Sasuke was smarter? You are only describing that part however. Deidara clearly lacked knowledge on Sharingan, reason why he created his ultimate move(C4) trying to kill Itachi not knowing Sharingan could see chakra. Deidara was young after all. Even when he met Neji, he was wondering what was the difference between Sharingan and Byakugan. He is a character who lacked a lot of experience during battle. It's for that reason Sasori even thought he could die easily

Why multiple toads when Jiraya will/will only need to summon one? Also mangapage where we see Deidara using clay after C3 please? Even if he used, it was probably one of his last portion of clay. He said it himself C3 takes the most of his clay. So it's a move Deidara would be careful in using in battle

What's the point? No one said it wasn't a 1vs1. I said Deidara has a fighting style that should be taken into consideration. You'll never see me saying that Minato will start a fight by summoning Gamabunta, Pa or Ma or others for example, never since it's in his character to do so. It has nothing to do with the contenders here. It's called logic following up to the manga

Im simply referring to equal ground play here both parties should be prepared. You say deidara has a habit of being unprepared, you probably based that assumption off of the gaara confronation between them, that was the only fight that Im aware of where deidara has come unprepared unless you can provide more scans? i dont see how you can base your conclusion off of one encounter involving deidara.

Didn't you see the part where i said Sasuke was smarter? You are only describing that part however. Deidara clearly lacked knowledge on Sharingan, reason why he created his ultimate move(C4) trying to kill Itachi not knowing Sharingan could see chakra. Deidara was young after all. Even when he met Neji, he was wondering what was the difference between Sharingan and Byakugan. He is a character who lacked a lot of experience during battle. It's for that reason Sasori even thought he could die easily

I do admit in some areas he was lacking basic info on the sharigan but not every shinobi is knowledgeable in certain areas. I dont think you should be underrating his battle experience when he has shown analyzing skills against gaara.[

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Why multiple toads when Jiraya will/will only need to summon one? Also mangapage where we see Deidara using clay after C3 please? Even if he used, it was probably one of his last portion of clay. He said it himself C3 takes the most of his clay. So it's a move Deidara would be careful in using in battle

I was actually referring to the usage of C3 and C2 separate..

 

[Curse Mark]

The stuff Bogard is saying only matters if the intent the creator of the match listed is IC or in character.

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

C4 should be able to do the job

 

[illidanson]

C4...

When you think about it C4 is just pretty damn messed up! Not as bad as Koto of cause, but really? It's a 1 shot kill and the only counter for it is Raiton! And unless you have Sharingan or Byakugan you won't even be able to see it! It's just so ridicolously strong...

I don't mind since i'm a Deidara fan though XD

 

[Shura]

C4...

When you think about it C4 is just pretty damn messed up! Not as bad as Koto of cause, but really? It's a 1 shot kill and the only counter for it is Raiton! And unless you have Sharingan or Byakugan you won't even be able to see it! It's just so ridicolously strong...

I don't mind since i'm a Deidara fan though XD

I agree and I don't mind as well.

 

[Zexion~]

Jiraiya is overrated alot .. People act like Frog song is the shit when really its not. Its Definitely not affecting deidara when he is in the air .. When high above the ground can you hear someone yelling at you from below? .. no you cant ..

OP: Deidara wins

 

[Shura]

Jiraiya is overrated alot .. People act like Frog song is the shit when really its not. Its Definitely not affecting deidara when he is in the air .. When high above the ground can you hear someone yelling at you from below? .. no you cant ..

OP: Deidara wins

Not to mention that he won't be able to hear it over his 'art'.