[VS] Deidara (Apex) vs Itachi (River)
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To start, I would like to say bad luck to Versta and get negged. Now that I have said this, I would like to address Deidara's ability to completely counter and outplay Itachi's arsenal with his overly powerful arsenal. When one thinks of Itachi, one thinks of Genjutsu and duplicity. What makes Deidara a good match-up is that he can completely counter Itachi's genjutsu and overcome Itachi's deceptive techniques. How you say? I'll tell you how Wursta!
Genjutsu
Itachi is by far the most skilled and versatile Genjutsu user in the manga. "He's put Deidara under Genjutsu in past so why can't he do it again?" you say? Deidara said he doesn't fall for the same trick twice [
Now that Genjutsu is covered, I would like to address Tsukiyomi. Since Tsukiyomi isn't actually counterable by any non-Uchiha elite, Deidara is obviously off the list. However, that doesn't mean he can't avoid it completely or prevent its effective usage. The databook puts it at "close range" meaning around 5 meters.
This means Deidara's C1 bird can more than easily overcome any attempt of Tsukiyomi by simply staying elevated in the sky. Moreover, Deidara's ability to use Nendo Bunshins without anyone noticing is going to be a pain for Itachi. Not only does Itachi have no intel on it prior to its first usage, but it can nullify the effectiveness of his MS. Itachi acts on certainty, not chance, but with Deidara's Nendo Bunshin it will always be based on chance. And yes, one failed Tsukiyomi or Amateratsu could mean a huge waste of chakra for Itachi; he can't afford it. Thus the likelihood of any Tsukiyomi being used is extremely low. He can't overcome the C1's range, he has no knowledge of Nendo Bunshin feints and he can't afford to waste so much chakra.
Explaining the Nendo Bunshin's power
You might be saying, "wtf is this guy on about, Nendo bunshins were useless for lyke, evur, foh apexy" But I will say, no young wursta, Nendo Bunshins are Deidara's most dangerous tool and make him extremely deceptive. There have been three instances of unbelievable Nendo Bunshin deceit in the manga. The first incident is against Nardo and Kakashi. Kakashi was already looking at Deidara and he has a Sharingan [
In the second incident, a Byakugan user was involved.. Yes, a Byakugan user [
The final incident happened against a CM2 Sasuke, who failed to notice Deidara switch with a Nendo Bunshin [
Now that you know how overpowered the Nendo Bunshins are, you probably are thinking to yourself, "omg why did I evur want to debate the 1 + only Apexy?" but I will tell you that had you not, you wouldn't have seen the light. Now that you have seen the light, you can live a happier, better life. I will expand on its usage later on.
Countering Amateratsu
Given the fact that I have already covered Deidara's proficiency in Nendo Bunshins, there's little needed to still speak of. To clear misconceptions however, I must clear some misconceptions about it. For one, Amateratsu is short ranged. When I say short ranged, I don't mean it can only travel a small distance however. What I mean is that its ability to spawn is 5 meters according to the databook. After that it must travel the distance. This is the reason why Hachibi was able to put up his tails, Raikage was able to dodge, etc. It's because after 5 meters it must travel rather than spawn.
This means if Deidara is 20 meters high in the sky it will have to travel around 15 meters. Its speed does not vary from entons speed. And yes, Enton is fast, but not quite the level people make it out to be. Gaara's sand was capable of stopping Enton from a 5-10 meter distance. Gaara's sand was outran by Deidara on foot [
Deidara's Underground Attacks
Given tha Itachi is faster than Base Hebi Sasuke, he will certainly be able to survive smaller variants. Moreover, any larger variants can be countered with Susano. "So apexy if Itachi can stop all attacks how can Deidara even win waddafak?" Kids, kids, Deidara has many ways to overcome Itachi's defence and speed. For one, Deidara's Nendo Bunshin can be used from the first second of the fight and stay on the ground, whilst Deidara goes airborne. This Nendo Bunshin would then be able to use Hiding like a Mole to set up mines underneath the ground. Inb4 he can see them so they are useless. I don't understand why people seem to assume Mines have no usage in a fight vs a Dojutsu user. Only because Sasuke had Raiton doesn't mean x Dojutsu user without Raiton can counter it. Itachi can be cornered into running in 1 direction which is certain to have mines.
Susano and Yata Mirror
Although I have already covered the underground attacks which can be used to overcome Susano and Yata Mirror, I would still like to add in that C4 can in fact bypass Susano. Susano is in fact permeable to gases given that the users can still breeze. Good thing is the C4 bombs travel with the air, meaning the can pass through just nicely [
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R Deidara outlasts by sending bombs into the water and making the water explode so that it reaches a high enough eleveation for him to drink.
TLR Itachi will be disadvantaged by the fact that he's in a lower altitude and thus breathes all the stinging steam which will burn his lungs while Deidara got the unpolluted fresh virgin air.
TLR if Itachi has to take a shit he'll be stuck with the smell down there while Deidara can take a shit and be unfazed by the smell at his altitude to the abundance of fresh air and gravity.
GG NO RE M8 NO H8 BUT GET REKT IN DIS DB8
Genjutsu
Itachi is by far the most skilled and versatile Genjutsu user in the manga. "He's put Deidara under Genjutsu in past so why can't he do it again?" you say? Deidara said he doesn't fall for the same trick twice [
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] and he clearly proved it to be the case. Sasuke thought he had Deidara under his control, but it was clear that Deidara had played him with his Nendo Bunshin. He said it's 'the same as Itachi' implying that he could do the same against Itachi and fool the deception master. There goes Sharingan Genjutsu for Itachi and any other weak version of Genjutsu. Deidara counters Genjutsu by constricting his eye to check for any illusions [
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]. That means Deidara's ability to counter Genjutsu is not limited to Sharingan Genjutsu but any Genjutsu that affects your eyes directly. Hence, Genjutsu is off the list completely.Now that Genjutsu is covered, I would like to address Tsukiyomi. Since Tsukiyomi isn't actually counterable by any non-Uchiha elite, Deidara is obviously off the list. However, that doesn't mean he can't avoid it completely or prevent its effective usage. The databook puts it at "close range" meaning around 5 meters.
This means Deidara's C1 bird can more than easily overcome any attempt of Tsukiyomi by simply staying elevated in the sky. Moreover, Deidara's ability to use Nendo Bunshins without anyone noticing is going to be a pain for Itachi. Not only does Itachi have no intel on it prior to its first usage, but it can nullify the effectiveness of his MS. Itachi acts on certainty, not chance, but with Deidara's Nendo Bunshin it will always be based on chance. And yes, one failed Tsukiyomi or Amateratsu could mean a huge waste of chakra for Itachi; he can't afford it. Thus the likelihood of any Tsukiyomi being used is extremely low. He can't overcome the C1's range, he has no knowledge of Nendo Bunshin feints and he can't afford to waste so much chakra.
Explaining the Nendo Bunshin's power
You might be saying, "wtf is this guy on about, Nendo bunshins were useless for lyke, evur, foh apexy" But I will say, no young wursta, Nendo Bunshins are Deidara's most dangerous tool and make him extremely deceptive. There have been three instances of unbelievable Nendo Bunshin deceit in the manga. The first incident is against Nardo and Kakashi. Kakashi was already looking at Deidara and he has a Sharingan [
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]. Next Naruto ends up punching the real Deidara and then creates shadow clones while looking at him [
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], they also hold him [
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]. Kakashi was watching the whole time as you can see here [
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]. Yet, somehow, Deidara was capable of switching with a Nendo Bunshin during that time [
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]. Inb4 it was a Nendo Bunshin from the start, Deidara states that he was punched by Naruto in the beginning and that it was a heavy punch [
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].In the second incident, a Byakugan user was involved.. Yes, a Byakugan user [
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]. He was in fact fighting with them as you can see here [
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], where he says he doesn't believe he can escape. Yet in the time he and team Gai land, he had already substituted with a Nendo bunshin despite there being a Sharingan and Byakugan user present [
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]. Not to mention, the Byakugan user and the Sharingan user failed to notice Deidara's Nendo bunshin move underground [
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]. So once again, undetectable due to the absurd speed in which it operates.The final incident happened against a CM2 Sasuke, who failed to notice Deidara switch with a Nendo Bunshin [
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]. He clearly had Sasuke [
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], and if it wasn't for his Raiton capabilities, Sasuke would've lost the match due to deceitful Nendo Bunshins. Now that you know how overpowered the Nendo Bunshins are, you probably are thinking to yourself, "omg why did I evur want to debate the 1 + only Apexy?" but I will tell you that had you not, you wouldn't have seen the light. Now that you have seen the light, you can live a happier, better life. I will expand on its usage later on.
Countering Amateratsu
Given the fact that I have already covered Deidara's proficiency in Nendo Bunshins, there's little needed to still speak of. To clear misconceptions however, I must clear some misconceptions about it. For one, Amateratsu is short ranged. When I say short ranged, I don't mean it can only travel a small distance however. What I mean is that its ability to spawn is 5 meters according to the databook. After that it must travel the distance. This is the reason why Hachibi was able to put up his tails, Raikage was able to dodge, etc. It's because after 5 meters it must travel rather than spawn.
This means if Deidara is 20 meters high in the sky it will have to travel around 15 meters. Its speed does not vary from entons speed. And yes, Enton is fast, but not quite the level people make it out to be. Gaara's sand was capable of stopping Enton from a 5-10 meter distance. Gaara's sand was outran by Deidara on foot [
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] and outsped by Deidara in his C1 bird [
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]. So if anything, Deidara can more than easily notice the Amateratsu coming at him and instantaneously substitute with a Nendo Bunshin. Once the Nendo Bunshin is on fire he can maintain himself and drop to Itachi who will either finish him off or leave him be. Fact is however, Deidara can unleash a variety of attacks at this point. he can subtly drop spiders which will attack Itachi secretly [
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] and prevent any Susano defence from working as it will be from within, or initiate C4 using the Nendo Bunshins explosion as a smoke screen. The fact that Deidara has intel on Amateratsu also means he can begin his Nendo Bunshin substitution the second he sees Itachi's eyes bleed. Deidara's Underground Attacks
Given tha Itachi is faster than Base Hebi Sasuke, he will certainly be able to survive smaller variants. Moreover, any larger variants can be countered with Susano. "So apexy if Itachi can stop all attacks how can Deidara even win waddafak?" Kids, kids, Deidara has many ways to overcome Itachi's defence and speed. For one, Deidara's Nendo Bunshin can be used from the first second of the fight and stay on the ground, whilst Deidara goes airborne. This Nendo Bunshin would then be able to use Hiding like a Mole to set up mines underneath the ground. Inb4 he can see them so they are useless. I don't understand why people seem to assume Mines have no usage in a fight vs a Dojutsu user. Only because Sasuke had Raiton doesn't mean x Dojutsu user without Raiton can counter it. Itachi can be cornered into running in 1 direction which is certain to have mines.
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, he'd slow himself down and be caught in the blast radius. Even Sasuke was caught by mines and was only capable of countering it due to the fact he had CM2's flight. Itachi has no flight, so he has no counter. So in this situation, it'd be using Itachi's speed against himself. Deidara would literally be forcing Itachi into mines by making him run away from a C1 explosion. Moreover, given the location, Deidara can drop jellyfish bombs into the water while Itachi is blinded by an explosion. Thus when Itachi tries to leave a minefield location he'll be entering into an even more dangerous zone which has explosions that can swim to him and explode. Inb4 Itachi can dodge attacks from above, the side and below. The longer the fight draws out, the more control of the area Deidara will have. Eventually the location will be infested with Jellyfish which can swim in the water and then explode (note explosions in the water are stronger than outside),
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and crawl beneath ground to you, and and mines. Although Susano might protect him from normal attacks from up, Itachi's Susano will have no effect against all these underground attacks.Susano and Yata Mirror
Although I have already covered the underground attacks which can be used to overcome Susano and Yata Mirror, I would still like to add in that C4 can in fact bypass Susano. Susano is in fact permeable to gases given that the users can still breeze. Good thing is the C4 bombs travel with the air, meaning the can pass through just nicely [
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R Deidara outlasts by sending bombs into the water and making the water explode so that it reaches a high enough eleveation for him to drink. TL
R Itachi will be disadvantaged by the fact that he's in a lower altitude and thus breathes all the stinging steam which will burn his lungs while Deidara got the unpolluted fresh virgin air.TL
R if Itachi has to take a shit he'll be stuck with the smell down there while Deidara can take a shit and be unfazed by the smell at his altitude to the abundance of fresh air and gravity.GG NO RE M8 NO H8 BUT GET REKT IN DIS DB8
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Both Tsukuyomi, and Finger Genjutsu have a limited range. If an optic link isn't established for Tsukuyomi, Tsukuyomi doesn't come into play. While Finger Genjutsu is short-mid I believe.
Go on with your debate sorry for interrupting FodderPex.
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Shut up FodderPex. That's why you're going to lose. Get smart with me again son.It is when the first section of my opener post was Genjutsu in bold and italic
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