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NOTE : the main topic of this thread-theory is about the concepts of Reality and Illusion, and i backed it up with Tobi's mystery as an exemple and evidence
“...people live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true... that is how they define reality. But what does it mean to be correct or true? Merely vague concepts... their reality may all be an illusion.”
― Kishimoto Masashi - Uchiha Itachi - chapter 385
this wise Quote is what made Naruto Manga worth reading...this Quote is what Tobi's Mystery is about...this Quote IS THE MANGA ITSELF !!!
What is Naruto Manga for me??
like i said it befor : Naruto Manga = The Uchiha Stone !....what it needs is deciphring and not just reading!!...and to decipher it readers must Have Rinnegan or at least sharingan..
-In our case , we Naruto readers,the Sharingan is obtained through deep understanding and analyzing of this manga,otherwise our truths might end being A MERE ILLUSION...
-yes kishimoto filled his manga with lies...or better said the notion of "Living Lies"...as described by Kisame Hochigake...
-However these lies aren't trolling as we think...but they are for the sake of teaching us how to be able to see through Reality's Illussion..thus the more we read the Manga and understand it,the more truth we will find out!!...
-So beware of Kishimoto's illusion..and never call something "truth" untill you get full understanding of it...
-didn't Kishimoto already fool us and turned some Manga truths into a mere illusions??........YES HE DID !!!....
-i'll give 2 best exemples of how kishi turned some Manga facts into a mere Illusion :
-1)The Truth behind Rin's Death :
A)-we all thought kakashi in chapter 606 was the one who killed Rin ...
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B)-but then in chapter 629 it was revealed that kakashi wasn't the one who planed to kill Rin but it was the Mist ANBUs who set the plan of Rin's Death..
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C)-but once again... kishi will never ceases to fool us becuz in chapters 675 he reveals again that the plan of Rin's death wasn't the Mist ANBU's...but it was all Madara's plan from the begining !!....
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2-) The Truth of Itachi Uchiha :
-We all thought Itachi,in part 1, was a bad guy who joined Akatsuki for his evil goals...But then in part 2 kishi turns this Reality into a mere illusion..and reveals the truth that itachi was a good guy who had to join Akatsuki to
protect the Leaf Village and his lil bro..
-lesson to be learned is that itachi CREATED A GENJUTSU TO HIDE HIS TRUTH...and begged hiruzen not to reveal it to anyone...not even Sasuke was able to see his brother's Illusion
-The Masters of Illusion
-kishimoto brought the concept of Illusion within his Manga and created an amazing Rivalry between the concepts of "Reality" VS " Illusion"...in the same way he created a Rivalry between "Senju" and "Uchiha" clans....BUT!!!!... just like how kishimoto filled his manga with illusion, he also left us the means that enable us to see through his Illusion...and like that Kishimoto manifested himself in 2 main characters in Naruto Manga :
1)-the one who creats illusion = UCHIHA MADARA (Tobi)
2)-the one who help us to see through that illusion = ITACHI UCHIHA !!!
NOTE :the reall Genjutsu i mean here is'nt the genjutsu thechnique created by sharingan like tsukoyomi...noo!!...but its the Genjutsu created from Reality itself to fool others....THE TRUE UCHIHA IS THE ONE WHO FOOLS OTHERS AND CREAT "LIVING LIES" WITHOUT USING HIS SHARINGAN !!..
-Madara and itachi
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-many of us view them like enemies..but if we look at the other side of their story we will find out a different thing :
-Both Ninjas respect each others
-Both Ninjas saw through each others Illusions...
But the Question is : what illusion did Madara creat??..and what Madara's illusion did itachi see through???
-and thats how the truth of Tobidara was born in the Manga !!..but first lets go back to itachi's Quote :
“...people live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true... that is how they define reality. But what does it mean to be correct or true? Merely vague concepts... their reality may all be an illusion.”
― Kishimoto Masashi - Uchiha Itachi - chapter 385
on what occasion did itachi say his famous Quote ??..
-He said it when he told Sasuke the Truth of the masked man TO BE UCHIHA MADARA!!...
-Sasuke wanted to know who that 3rd uchiha who helped itachi wipe out the Uchiha clan....
-and here are the full details about itachi's answer to Sasuke and his famouse Quote :
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-Notes:
1-as you read , itachi was being clear and straight when he said that the masked Man was Madara..so there's no Metaphor meant..
2-itachi not only said Tobi was Madara..BUT HE ALSO SEEMS TO SURE AND CONFIDENT OF WHAT HE SAYS !!..
3-itachi is not dummb stupidd when he said that the Masked man was Madara....he must have good reason to say so...
BUT NOW COMES THE MINDFVCKING PROBLEM : in chapter 599 Tobi was revealed to be obito , wich logically means that obito fooled itachi Uchiha....BUT STILL IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE that itachi gets tricked by his own wise quote...
-HOWEVER IF YOU ACTIVATE YOUR RINNEGAN (analyze manga and read it from the begining) you will HAVE A NEW TRUTH and find out that itachi was no fool !!...wich means that even though tobi was revealed to be obito...Kishimoto will someday reveal the true and final identity of Tobi to be Uchiha Madara .."AS WE STARRTED IT ,SHALL WE FINSIH IT" !!...wich also means that the Obito part of tobi's mystery WILL TURN INTO A MERE ILLUSION AND GETS REPLACED BY A NEW TRUTH CALLED "TOBI IS MADARA" or what i call "Tobidara" !!!...
-Lets say Sasuke is "us" the readers..and itachi is kishimoto :
Sasuke (us) : who was that third uchiha who helped you wipe out the uchiha clan??
-itachi (kishi) : Uchiha Madara , he is the founder of Konoha ..
-Sasuke (us) : STOP SCREWING AROUND !!!..
then itachi (kishi) reassures and confirms to sasuke (us) that the masked man is indeed Madara no matter what !..
itachi : Madara lives still , its up to you to weither believe me or not!!..
-but then Sasuke (us) are still in denial (due to the obito reveal)..and say : "IvE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR BULL$HITT !!
-and then itachi "kishimoto" answers us with this amazing quote :
“...people live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true... that is how they define reality. But what does it mean to be correct or true? Merely vague concepts... their reality may all be an illusion.”
-not only that but also itachi "kishi" will back it up with a good exemple so he says :
" to say that Madara is dead is the trapping of your own perspective, in the same way you fooled yourself into believing i was a caring older brother"...
-through itachi kishi is telling sasuke (us)...thinking that Madara isn't Tobi could turn into a wrong judgment in the same way we were wrong when we thought itachi was a villain guy...
NOTE :itachi had to conceal his truth from sasuke..thats why he said "..in the same way you fooled yourself into believing i was a caring brother"..
-Basically what itachi is saying is that "truth" is a relative concept...forexemple..i got my own truth that tobi is Madara...and you got your own truth that tobi is obito...thats becuz my understanding and analyzing of manga is different then your's.....some fact that we understimate might turn out to be the ultimate truth...if you underestimate the fact that Tobi is Madara then you might be fooled in the end...
-that is why itachi is the light that help us find the truth ...
-Deciphring itachi's Quote :
“...people live their lives bound by what they accept as correct and true... that is how they define reality. But what does it mean to be correct or true? Merely vague concepts... their reality may all be an illusion.."
WHAT IS REALITY??
scientists define it as ""the state of things as they actually exist"..but if we have different interpretations and undersanding about the outside world..OUR REALITIES WILL DIFFER AND CHANGE AS WELL ....that is why a genious man called "Albert einstein" said :" Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one " .....this Quote 90% ressembles itachi's quote "...and their Reality may all be a Mirage ot illusion.."..so you can consider itachi the Einstein of this manga !!!
Humain perception
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-The human brain is split into two distinct halves JUST LIKE YIN AND YANG!!!..: the right brain and the left brain. They have completely separate roles .... However, in order to function, the two halves of the human brain must communicate....
let me remind you of a manga panel plz
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ok sorry to spoil the ending of this thread..cuz this logic can possibly be applied on the concept of "Truth" as wel...so yeah...maybe ,there's a chance that we find out the truth..for exemple if every member of NB cooperate and post his own truth or opinion about some subject...truth can be found..through correcting each other..
-HOWEVER ...Madara's philosophie makes the concept of "Truth" impossible to obtain....itachi somehow shares same philosophie of Madara....as long as we have different understanding of this world..our realities will always differ...so its like Madara got sick and tired of this...he was looking for a place where no lies but only ultimate truth exists...That is why Madara devised the dream world ( note what madara devised is the dreamworld but not the infinit tsukoyomi...becuz the Dreamworld includes the infinit tsukoyomi plan)...
-i believe that the concept of the "Dreamworld" is derived from what scientists today call "The Lucid Dream"..
-what is the Lucid Dream?..
i was googling it and i found something very intersting and ironically it was typical to Madara's dreamworld plan...
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Lucid Dreaming is the scientifically proven ability to become conscious while dreaming - to "wake up" and take active control of your dreams...that is what Madara and obito planned to do ...didn't obito once tell Naruto :" heyy Naruto dont worry you can become hokage inside the dreamworld"..means though the victimes of the Dreamworld are under effect of infinit tsukoyomi but they can somehow controll their own dreams....
to sum it up :
1- for Madara Reality is all a mirage and there's no such thing as truth but only living lies !!...
2- Reality might all be a Mirage..but there's a chance to find out the truth..
Kishimoto and the readers = itachi and Sasuke
kishimoto (itachi) starts the mystery of tobi with this : lets see how (Sasuke) radears can see through my Genjutsu
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why did itachi still think Sasuke was a kid??..its becuz sasuke was still a fooled guy who can't see through Reality's Deception....and unfortunately even though Sasuke got strong eyes..he still failed too see through the genjutsu itachi created when he pretended to be a bad guy...and again sasuke will be fooled for the 2nd time when he learns the truth that the true masked man wasn't obito but it was Madara....
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why the Obito reveal will turn out to be a mere illusion :
i know obito turned into ashes and that Madara is agoning however :
-first the truth of tobi weve seen was just flashbacks of Obito...or truth from obito's perspective...a memories of someone's who's brain got crushed by a boulder...But did we see the truth of the one who found obito i mean Madara??...noo we didn't!!....this is one reason why the mystery of tobi isn't over...i believe that old Madara found obito and sealed his other part (the 2nd madara) within obito's body...Madara was still alive inside obito controling him...and for some good reasons tobimadara didn't emerge during the final war arc..
2nd- did we see the rest of tobi's mystery explanations..like how Tobi controlled kurama and invaded konoha...and how he manipulated mizukage yagura..and slaughtred the uchiha clan??...NO WE DDIN'T!!..its becuz kishimoto skipped them purposely for the new tobidara reveal....Madara in his form Tobi was the one behind all evil incidents that happned in konoha...while rikudo madara was dead..
read well what madara says when he was agoning :
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he won't what??.....bet he wont give up !!....and if you think that the war is over...then you might be victim of kishimoto's illusion...CUZ THE FINAL WAR HAS JUST STARTED!!!...and the finall villain is Tobidara!!
