[Discussion] Debunking the zero division

[ahmo]

so, the so called zero division got rekt by these quincy elite guards? if there were to be fodderised the way they did, why did kubo bother putting them out in the first place?
They were supposed to be the last line of defense, they fumbled real bad, now the gotei is cleaning up their asses. I've never been more disappointed, they were supposedly stronger, smatter than regular captains. just what does kubo mean by this?

 

[realobito1]

so, the so called zero division got rekt by these quincy elite guards? if there were to be fodderised the way they did, why did kubo bother putting them out in the first place?
They were supposed to be the last line of defense, they fumbled real bad, now the gotei is cleaning up their asses. I've never been more disappointed, they were supposedly stronger, smatter than regular captains. just what does kubo mean by this?

I agree, I like the mayuri but the fact that he and his vice captain beat a guy who supposedly a group of people more powerful than the entire seretei combined makes no sense!

 

[Gerkak]

I agree

 

[chopstickchakra]

Maybe(Hopefully) they're not really dead yet. I agree I liked Ichibi and the sword maker guy. I wish they'd have at least taken out 2-3 each.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

so, the so called zero division got rekt by these quincy elite guards? if there were to be fodderised the way they did, why did kubo bother putting them out in the first place?
They were supposed to be the last line of defense, they fumbled real bad, now the gotei is cleaning up their asses. I've never been more disappointed, they were supposedly stronger, smatter than regular captains. just what does kubo mean by this?

I agree, I like the mayuri but the fact that he and his vice captain beat a guy who supposedly a group of people more powerful than the entire seretei combined makes no sense!

Well first off none of the zero division had any idea on how pernida ability worked second they all got a huge powered up vollstanding from Bach which they are not getting now...did you see how quick the zanpacto created guy in base form delt with then before there power up? Yea that's a feat none of the current gotei 13 has a chance at doing probably accept for kyoraku but he would have to be in his Bankai form what ever that may be.

Also ichibei did not fight any of them if he did I believe they would have beat them...an who knows if any of the other had a chance to use Bankai.

 

[realobito1]

Well first off none of the zero division had any idea on how pernida ability worked second they all got a huge powered up vollstanding from Bach which they are not getting now...did you see how quick the zanpacto created guy in base form delt with then before there power up? Yea that's a feat none of the current gotei 13 has a chance at doing probably accept for kyoraku but he would have to be in his Bankai form what ever that may be.

Also ichibei did not fight any of them if he did I believe they would have beat them...an who knows if any of the other had a chance to use Bankai.

But what was the point. If they don't show up again and have a fight(and at this point that does not seem the case) then why introduce them or even make them exist. We got all of these really powerful characters who did nothing but we got to see renji fight again. Im just saying even if jubach defeated them by himself it would have spoke to his power but these random characters we have just been introduced to who will all be no doubt be defeated by supposedly weaker characters is just stupid.

 

[Tarkatower]

The RG, like many characters in the series, were eventually shitted on by Kubo and their potential/hype wasted. I hope they'll be present for the final battle, but as of now I doubt they'd be relevant during the fights against the Elite Sternritters.

They did what they could. One RG killed all of the Elites in two chapters, but those Elites were revived and received a major power-up using already-deceased Sternritters. Ichibei was rekting Yhwach until he went godmode and Ichibei couldn't do anything more.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

But what was the point. If they don't show up again and have a fight(and at this point that does not seem the case) then why introduce them or even make them exist. We got all of these really powerful characters who did nothing but we got to see renji fight again. Im just saying even if jubach defeated them by himself it would have spoke to his power but these random characters we have just been introduced to who will all be no doubt be defeated by supposedly weaker characters is just stupid.

They did do something they heald renji an rikia an trained them an if it won't for them indigo would not have the power he has now..an they fought even though it won't for long but they still fought....an the shinigami are stronger in their own way,myuri was well prepared to fight the quincy hell he's well prepared to fight anybody an kyoraku zanpacto is Just hard to deal with its tricky...an you might As well say the zero division was beaten by Bach cuz if he won't there the zero division would have won by a land slide.....zero division were just caught off guard by that super vollstsnding the quincy were given, of course they won't gone win that fight that's for our original characters to do.

An who knows some of them may return.

 

[LuckyMan]

The only Captain whooping a Star Knight is Shunsui. Shunsuis hype exceeds Zero Division hype. Since I've been reading bleach, its been said several times throughout the series that Shunshui and Jushiro are the strongest captains. Their power exceeds their peers (current captains) and their predecessors (Yamamoto, former captains). Kubo wrote this.

I'm not surprised Shunshui is this strong considering all his hype and lets not forget the fact he killed Stark, the #1Espada, with a few abilities of his shikai while all other captains needed bankai and vizard help for the lesser Espada. Now we see he has even more op shikai powers (especially that one where he teleports) and its clear he was toying with Stark.

Finally, he haven't even seen his Bankai yet and all of its abilities...

Zero Division is overrated. Not because they lost to the Star Knights, but because you can be promoted into the group like a couple of them were from Gotei 13. Just because they get promoted doesn't mean they're stronger than the dude they were already under (Yamamoto at the time) while they were captains. You don't need to be OP to be Royal Guard, the requirement is to do something beneficial for the world and the Soul King acknowledges it.

 

[-Akuma-]

The only Captain whooping a Star Knight is Shunsui. Shunsuis hype exceeds Zero Division hype. Since I've been reading bleach, its been said several times throughout the series that Shunshui and Jushiro are the strongest captains. Their power exceeds their peers (current captains) and their predecessors (Yamamoto, former captains). Kubo wrote this.

I'm not surprised Shunshui is this strong considering all his hype and lets not forget the fact he killed Stark, the #1Espada, with a few abilities of his shikai while all other captains needed bankai and vizard help for the lesser Espada. Now we see he has even more op shikai powers (especially that one where he teleports) and its clear he was toying with Stark.

Finally, he haven't even seen his Bankai yet and all of its abilities...

Zero Division is overrated. Not because they lost to the Star Knights, but because you can be promoted into the group like a couple of them were from Gotei 13. Just because they get promoted doesn't mean they're stronger than the dude they were already under (Yamamoto at the time) while they were captains. You don't need to be OP to be Royal Guard, the requirement is to do something beneficial for the world and the Soul King acknowledges it.

the royal guard as a collective was said to be stronger than the entire Gotei 13, it's obvious that each of them would be stronger than the average captain.

 

[kotoamatsukami]

The only Captain whooping a Star Knight is Shunsui. Shunsuis hype exceeds Zero Division hype. Since I've been reading bleach, its been said several times throughout the series that Shunshui and Jushiro are the strongest captains. Their power exceeds their peers (current captains) and their predecessors (Yamamoto, former captains). Kubo wrote this.

I'm not surprised Shunshui is this strong considering all his hype and lets not forget the fact he killed Stark, the #1Espada, with a few abilities of his shikai while all other captains needed bankai and vizard help for the lesser Espada. Now we see he has even more op shikai powers (especially that one where he teleports) and its clear he was toying with Stark.

Finally, he haven't even seen his Bankai yet and all of its abilities...

Zero Division is overrated. Not because they lost to the Star Knights, but because you can be promoted into the group like a couple of them were from Gotei 13. Just because they get promoted doesn't mean they're stronger than the dude they were already under (Yamamoto at the time) while they were captains. You don't need to be OP to be Royal Guard, the requirement is to do something beneficial for the world and the Soul King acknowledges it.

Kyoraku an ukitake fighting together is probably stronger than yama but separately they stand no chance...an I doubt they are stronger than zaraki separately.

He beat a already hurt stark who won't useing full power..I can't see kyoraku beating any zero division member in a one one battle.

 

[Tarkatower]

We'll see by end of the arc. If any of the RG release their Zanpakuto or demonstrate more feats, we'll compare it to Bankai Shunsui's feats. If the RG do not and Shunsui's Bankai seems to be more impressive, then we can settle on Shunsui being RG tier or something

 

[SnakeSkinBlade]

so, the so called zero division got rekt by these quincy elite guards? if there were to be fodderised the way they did, why did kubo bother putting them out in the first place?
They were supposed to be the last line of defense, they fumbled real bad, now the gotei is cleaning up their asses. I've never been more disappointed, they were supposedly stronger, smatter than regular captains. just what does kubo mean by this?

Exactly! I mean, the almighty Zero Division, said to overpower the entirety of the Gotei 13 including Yamamoto, just seems to be mind boggling that these henchmen beat some of the most powerful characters in Bleach history. I get it, they were given a boost of power by sacrificing all the other Sternritters, but come on. Valkyrie has not even shown his abilities yet.

Then again, Mayuri won because of plot shield so, interpret that anyway you want to.

 

[Phoenix110]

I agree with the title

 

[LuckyMan]

Kyoraku an ukitake fighting together is probably stronger than yama but separately they stand no chance...an I doubt they are stronger than zaraki separately.

He beat a already hurt stark who won't useing full power..I can't see kyoraku beating any zero division member in a one one battle.

Shunsui already went toe to toe with Shikai Yamamoto (which by the way can kill literally every other Captain besides Ukitake, Unohana, and Shunsui) so its not farfetched to assume Bankai Shunshui can fight Bankai Yama and have a chance at victory.

Did you really just bring up Zaraki? I'm positive Shunsui would beat Zaraki with only Shikai. His reiatsu is even bigger than Lille's which would lead to his demise even quicker, just like with Lille.

the royal guard as a collective was said to be stronger than the entire Gotei 13, it's obvious that each of them would be stronger than the average captain.

Exactly. You used the perfect word. "Average". It's clear to us readers and Kubo has made it very clear that Yamamoto, Unohana, Shunsui, and Jushiro aren't average captains. They're the 4 oldest and strongest by far.

Shunsui beat the most powerful Espada with his Shikai, to be exact, only half of his Shikais real ability. Other captains needed the full power of their Bankai plus the help from the Vizards (which are virtually Captain level) to beat the lower Esapda. That illustrates a massive gap between Shunsui and the current captains under him.

Average captains would be people like Rose, Sui-Feng, Komamaru, Mayuri, Love, Rojuro, etc.

 

[Naruto Boss]

i totally agree

 

[kotoamatsukami]

Shunsui already went toe to toe with Shikai Yamamoto (which by the way can kill literally every other Captain besides Ukitake, Unohana, and Shunsui) so its not farfetched to assume Bankai Shunshui can fight Bankai Yama and have a chance at victory.

Did you really just bring up Zaraki? I'm positive Shunsui would beat Zaraki with only Shikai. His reiatsu is even bigger than Lille's which would lead to his demise even quicker, just like with Lille.



Exactly. You used the perfect word. "Average". It's clear to us readers and Kubo has made it very clear that Yamamoto, Unohana, Shunsui, and Jushiro aren't average captains. They're the 4 oldest and strongest by far.

Shunsui beat the most powerful Espada with his Shikai, to be exact, only half of his Shikais real ability. Other captains needed the full power of their Bankai plus the help from the Vizards (which are virtually Captain level) to beat the lower Esapda. That illustrates a massive gap between Shunsui and the current captains under him.

Average captains would be people like Rose, Sui-Feng, Komamaru, Mayuri, Love, Rojuro, etc.

No don't just say he went toe to toe with yama as if ukitake won't there helping him,if ukitake not there then kyoraku is done for...kyoraku has no chance at victory faceing bankai yama alone.

Did you just say kyoraku spiritual pressure was greater than zaraki's is that some joke? If that were the case shinji would have never said If they kill zaraki were done for they did not label zaraki a war potential for nothing...an you left out zaraki in the names of which shikai yama can't clearly defeat seeing as current zaraki beat unohana like she was just a child.

Again you leave out zaraki he's way stronger than unohana an is not just some average captain..an no everyone in the zero division is older than kyoraku an ukitake an mostlikely stronger aswell.

Remember kyoraku beat a stark that was no longer fighting at full power that's why he won with shikai.

 

[Tobi98]

Kyoraku an ukitake fighting together is probably stronger than yama but separately they stand no chance...an I doubt they are stronger than zaraki separately.

He beat a already hurt stark who won't useing full power..I can't see kyoraku beating any zero division member in a one one battle.

> Zaraki
> stronger than Shunsui

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[kotoamatsukami]

> Zaraki
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Why you think zaraki has yet to fight at full power that's cuz kubo is saving him for a real match even kyoraku knows Darwin is stronger than him.