Debunking Naruto Claims

[Aznkidd]

Not knowing manga fact is ok.
But against Kishi words is worse than trash. Trash thread with self soloed.

 

[Ambivalence]

Claim 1) Sasuke lost VOTE2
Debunked: It was a tie.

No. Naruto and Sasuke tied physically, but Naruto won idealistically. Naruto won, in a way, while Sasuke didn't win anything, thus it's a win for Naruto. It's that simple.

So much Kyuubi chakra was put into the Rasengan, that the Nine Tails fell asleep after it.

This point was fine until you said this. Kurama was already extremely low on chakra, having some of his last absorbed by Sasuke just prior to him giving Naruto his last bit [

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], which was canonically able to tie an Enton Chidori. Base Chidori=base Rasengan, Enton made it Chidori the likely winner, and Kurama just gave enough chakra to balance that last bit of chakra Sasuke used for the Enton. Unless you're saying a mere Enton covering of Chidori requires Kurama to give ''so much chakra'', then this point makes no sense.

If Sasuke where to use all of their Chakra, their entire essence would be diminished. But it wasn't.

This is just fanfic, Bijus don't disappear if their chakra is completely drained. Gyuuki was perfectly fine while on almost zero chakra against Kisame, Kurama merely went to sleep after exhausting all his chakra. The Biju are the Shinobi when it comes to chakra exhaustion, exhausting all of their chakra drains all of their stamina and they are unfit to fight.

He is fast enough (Shushin/Amenotejikara) to have gotten his ass out of their if needed. With Sasuke's rinnegan eye, he could have also swapped switched Naruto his position (like how he did here:

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) and put Naruto in the crossfire of his own attack.

First of all, Sasuke had nothing to swap with that is a safe distance away from that blast, since he was high up in the air.

Second, switching himself with Naruto would have accomplished nothing, since they both took an equal amount of damage from the blast. It can also be argued that Naruto wasn't in Sasuke's necessary Amenotejikara range, [

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] or that Sasuke couldn't swap with something like as big and powerful as an Ashura Avatar, since he's only been shown to swap with small objects or people.

The last point is largely used as by straw man argument that have no better counter, so I'm not gonna touch upon it. As for this guy...:

That is not how base is considered for rasengan, but if you want to go that way, sasuke used kyuubi chakra to use chidori.

Lol, that's not how it works.

First of all, Sasuke's chakra post-Hagoromo power up >>> Kurama's chakra, and he used the later for both the forming of his own Chidori and adding some Enton.

Second, both Naruto and Sasuke had almost zero chakra before the clash. Sasuke absorbed Kurama's chakra and made a base Chidori with it, using the rest to empower it more by Enton. Naruto made a base Rasengan and then added, and I quote, ''all the chakra that Kurama had left'', which was the equivalent of the Enton addition by Sasuke. In even simpler terms, base Chidori and base Rasengan were both powered by Kurama's chakra, but half of one was used to make an the Enton element of the Chidori, while Naruto just added all the remaining Kurama chakra to his base Rasengan, making it stronger than a base Rasengan as a result and enabling it to tie Sasuke's Enton Chidori.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

Claim 1 is right:
Sasuke has lost the fight.even though naruto was holding back against him.

Claim 2 is correct:
Panel before base rasengan , sasuke stole kurama's chakra.and he made a chidori and amatarasu out of it.naruto just made a base rasengan.if hr made a bigger version then kishi would show it.

The reason kyuubi fell asleep was that naruto used soo much chakra of him against madara and kaguya.

In this manga, kishi always show that raengan is stronger than chidori so its obvious that amatarasu would be essential to stalemate it.

Claim 3 is also correct:
Sasuke used all bijuus chakra to make Indra arrow.if he wouldn't then sasuke would use their chakra again and he would make Indra arrow against kaguya without using bijuus.

Claim 4 is correct:

Without Indra arrow sasuke would still lost.

Claim 5 is also correct:
Naruto fought against kaguya before fighting sasuke.naruto was the only one who did 99% of the work against her.so its obvious that he was exhausted more than sasuke.

On top of that he fought against more shinobis than sasuke.

Now Shut your trap.

 

[Berserker]

No. Minato didn't go through what Kushina did prior to being impaled. He didn't:

Maintain the grunt work of the seal during childbirth
Have a Tailed beast torn out of him
Restrain a tailed beast


You seem to be under the impression that I think life force means you can survive bleeding out. I'm stating a strong life force allow you to sustain fatal damage longer than the average person.

Having your organs destroyed>>>>>>>>>Bleeding out.

Karin had her shit exploded through and didn't go into shock or die on the spot.

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That's life force.​

I am under the impression that you think life force means you can survive bleeding out longer because that's exactly what you said.

Which one has a stronger life force and would have bled out and died much later?

Oddly enough you must seem to think Naruto is on par with Kushina or Karin when it comes to life force which isn't the case. Red hair is what signifies the powerful life force of an Uzamaki. Naruto didn't inherit that trait but Kurama chakra is what leaked for him to achieve his great stamina in the 1st place. Sustaining a fatal injury and bleeding out is still entirely two different things.

Minato and Sasuke are both not Uzumakis but have sustained themselves from fatal injuries.

 

[Aznkidd]

Claim 1 is right:
Sasuke has lost the fight.even though naruto was holding back against him.

Claim 2 is correct:
Panel before base rasengan , sasuke stole kurama's chakra.and he made a chidori and amatarasu out of it.naruto just made a base rasengan.if hr made a bigger version then kishi would show it.

The reason kyuubi fell asleep was that naruto used soo much chakra of him against madara and kaguya.

In this manga, kishi always show that raengan is stronger than chidori so its obvious that amatarasu would be essential to stalemate it.

Claim 3 is also correct:
Sasuke used all bijuus chakra to make Indra arrow.if he wouldn't then sasuke would use their chakra again and he would make Indra arrow against kaguya without using bijuus.

Claim 4 is correct:

Without Indra arrow sasuke would still lost.

Claim 5 is also correct:
Naruto fought against kaguya before fighting sasuke.naruto was the only one who did 99% of the work against her.so its obvious that he was exhausted more than sasuke.

On top of that he fought against more shinobis than sasuke.

Now Shut your trap.

This thread is still inside IT, need some comment like this to disrupt the pathetic flow of this delusion debunking...

 

[To Whatever]

I am under the impression that you think life force means you can survive bleeding out longer because that's exactly what you said.

Oddly enough you must seem to think Naruto is on par with Kushina or Karin when it comes to life force which isn't the case. Red hair is what signifies the powerful life force of an Uzamaki. Naruto didn't inherit that trait but Kurama chakra is what leaked for him to achieve his great stamina in the 1st place. Sustaining a fatal injury and bleeding out is still entirely two different things.

Minato and Sasuke are both not Uzumakis but have sustained themselves from fatal injuries.

Yes. I do believe that.

I don't think he's on par with full blooded Uzumaki. Naruto was K'O'ed the moment Kurama was removed.

Did you really just say Naruto didn't inherit a strong life force? And that Kurama is why his reserves are so high?

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I'd bring up Kakashi's quote about his reserves but I don't even feel the need to do so. You think red hair means a strong life force...



Sustaining a fatal injury and bleeding out aren't entirely different. If I cut off your arm, that's a fatal injury as you can die from blood loss. If I rupture your heart, that's a fatal injury due to internal bleeding and your body shutting down.​

 

[V h o]

For the record, Naruto was low on chakra since the war, according to kurama.

 

[Aznkidd]

I am under the impression that you think life force means you can survive bleeding out longer because that's exactly what you said.

Oddly enough you must seem to think Naruto is on par with Kushina or Karin when it comes to life force which isn't the case. Red hair is what signifies the powerful life force of an Uzamaki. Naruto didn't inherit that trait but Kurama chakra is what leaked for him to achieve his great stamina in the 1st place. Sustaining a fatal injury and bleeding out is still entirely two different things.

Minato and Sasuke are both not Uzumakis but have sustained themselves from fatal injuries.

you must be on high. Chakra flow from violent nine tails is poisoned by hatred, next please...

 

[Berserker]

Yes. I do believe that.

I don't think he's on par with full blooded Uzumaki. Naruto was K'O'ed the moment Kurama was removed.

Did you really just say Naruto didn't inherit a strong life force? And that Kurama is why his reserves are so high?

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Sustaining a fatal injury and bleeding out aren't entirely different. If I cut off your arm, that's a fatal injury as you can die from blood loss. If I rupture your heart, that's a fatal injury due to internal bleeding and your body shutting down.​

The seal was made so that Kuramas chakra can leak into Narutos reserves. That's how Minato set his seal up eight trigrams I believe. We saw that Naruto would have died instantly if it wasn't for Sakura so why post a scan of zetsu saying rubbish. Even Hago said Naruto didn't inherit jack from his parents.


they are completely different things. You can die from the shock of an attack but dieing from blood loss is something that happens to anyone. Sasukes whole chest was blown out but he lived for a short time because he didn't lose blood loss. Most people would die instantly from shock.

you must be on high. Chakra flow from violent nine tails is poisoned by hatred, next please...

It gradually leaks over time. That's why Kurama was getting closer and closer to taking over Naruto. Please read the manga.

 

[Aznkidd]

The seal was made so that Kuramas chakra can leak into Narutos reserves. That's how Minato set his seal up eight trigrams I believe. We saw that Naruto would have died instantly if it wasn't for Sakura so why post a scan of zetsu saying rubbish. Even Hago said Naruto didn't inherit jack from his parents.


they are completely different things. You can die from the shock of an attack but dieing from blood loss is something that happens to anyone. Sasukes whole chest was blown out but he lived for a short time because he didn't lose blood loss. Most people would die instantly from shock.




It gradually leaks over time. That's why Kurama was getting closer and closer to taking over Naruto. Please read the manga.

You are the one that need to reread the manga and your own comment.
Chakra that hit Sakura is hard to heal than normal and Naruto body heavily injured after 4 tails transformed and more ofc but it is better for you to read the manga again before useless talk.
Minato wanted Naruto to get along with the chakra over long period so if one day it break out will reduce the dmg.

 

[To Whatever]

The seal was made so that Kuramas chakra can leak into Narutos reserves. That's how Minato set his seal up eight trigrams I believe. We saw that Naruto would have died instantly if it wasn't for Sakura so why post a scan of zetsu saying rubbish. Even Hago said Naruto didn't inherit jack from his parents.


they are completely different things. You can die from the shock of an attack but dieing from blood loss is something that happens to anyone. Sasukes whole chest was blown out but he lived for a short time because he didn't lose blood loss. Most people would die instantly from shock.

1. Hagoromo said "Whole Potential". He isn't as smart as his dad nor does he posses a body or chakra as strong as his mother. (Naruto's kind of dumb at times and was KO'd the moment Kurama left him)

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He got a little bit of both from his parents.

2.Minato set the seal in order for Naruto to tap into Kurama's reserves (like how the J-Man taught him) and eventually use the seal key to fight Kurama. His reserves didn't even start merging until the seal loosened in the land of waves arc. Keep in mind that beforehand he already achieved this feat with his own reserves:

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2A. You can tell when he's using Kyuubi chakra as his clones will take influence and the amount of clones increases:

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3. If you die from shock, it's a fatal injury. Blood loss via dismemberment, fatal injury.

4. Sasuke's chest wasn't blown out. It tore through his chest and part of his neck to the point where you could see his ribcage and muscle. If his shit was blown out he would have died instantly.

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I mean I can show you a picture of someone with their chest blown out if you want me to.













The fact that you're disregarding Zetsu's words as, "rubbish" means you're disregarding manga facts.

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[Amaterasu]

Exhausted Naruto is one of the most retarded claim evah

 

[BenjerminGaye]

No. Minato didn't go through what Kushina did prior to being impaled. He didn't:

Maintain the grunt work of the seal during childbirth
Have a Tailed beast torn out of him
Restrain a tailed beast


You seem to be under the impression that I think life force means you can survive bleeding out. I'm stating a strong life force allow you to sustain fatal damage longer than the average person.

Having your organs destroyed>>>>>>>>>Bleeding out.

Karin had her shit exploded through and didn't go into shock or die on the spot.

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That's life force.​

Oh kill em

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Exhausted Naruto is one of the most retarded claim evah

Saying Sasuke tied with naruto despite he himself admitting defeat is one of the most retarded claims evah

 

[Amaterasu]

Saying Sasuke tied with naruto despite he himself admitting defeat is one of the most retarded claims evah

It has nothing to do with what I said...

And Sasuke and Naruto tied physically.

 

[Aznkidd]

Exhausted Naruto is one of the most retarded claim evah

That word suit you well.

 

[Desanto]

Wilds is honestly soloing this thread. He's making solid statements.
and posting #Mangaphax

 

[King Of Pop]

Sasuke couldn't swap with something like as big and powerful as an Ashura Avatar, since he's only been shown to swap with small objects or people.

the only part i disagree with. concerning the sze, if he can teleport his bijju soosano then there is no reason for him not to be able to do the same to narutos avatar whos size is comparable to his Normal ps let alone his bijju ps which gained a sligth size increase. as for power, same thing applies. already he warped kaguya who is more powerful than that avatar.

 

[Narutohokage324]

the only part i disagree with. concerning the sze, if he can teleport his bijju soosano then there is no reason for him not to be able to do the same to narutos avatar whos size is comparable to his Normal ps let alone his bijju ps which gained a sligth size increase. as for power, same thing applies. already he warped kaguya who is more powerful than that avatar.

He teleported his Bijuu Susano'o, but with nothing. Meaning he can teleport himself, but there is no evidence that he could switch objects with himself that are larger in size.

 

[SatanicGod]

That is not how base is considered for rasengan, but if you want to go that way, sasuke used kyuubi chakra to use chidori.



He fell asleep because they had been fighting the war for so long. He was already low on chakra to begin with.

Nobody falls asleep because of a tiny rasengan.



This also wrong, the bijuus run out of chakra all the time but they don't die.

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It has a limited range, cannot be used to escape long range attacks.



Again limited range, and would achieve nothing, they would just have positions reversed and still be a little distance away from the center.

You are coming up so many alternative way in which fight would have gone, yet you seem to forget that Naruto had no intention of even fighting.

He did not make any sort of plan or strategy to try and kill him like he did with the in the previous war arc fights. He only kept neutralizing sasuke's attacks. If even after taking in massive temporary chakra from 9 bijuus sasuke failed to kill Naruto then its already clear who is the superior one.

Key word in your scan: Almost "He's taken almost all of my chakras too!"