Debunking Naruto Claims

[AnonymousShinobi]

Key:
Claim: This is the claim made by Naruto fans
Support: This is how Naruto fans usually back this claim up
Debunked: This is how I go about debunking said claim
SHOW: A picture/link used to debunk or support a claim

Now, lets begin...


Claim 1) Sasuke lost VOTE2: Honestly, I am not sure people are actually serious or are just trolling. But I am going to debunk this stupid claim regardless.
Support: The only support Naruto fans have for this claim is this picture:

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Debunked: This post can be debunked rather easily.

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What Naruto said here claims that neither Sasuke nor Naruto lost. Also, if Sasuke really did lose, would both Naruto and Sasuke be near dead at the end of the battle?

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It was a tie.


Claim 2) Naruto stalemated Sasuke's Amaterasu Chidori with a base rasengan: Okay. People who claim this (and claim 1) honest to god have the worst reading comprehension I have ever seen. Like honestly do you people just read/see what you want to see, and not what is actually being shown/written?
Support: Their only support is the fact that Naruto's Rasengan LOOKED like a base Rasengan
Debunked:

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If you would actually read, you will see that was not a base Rasengan. Not even close. That was a Kyuubi powered Rasengan. So much Kyuubi chakra was put into the Rasengan, that the Nine Tails fell asleep after it.


Claim 3) Sasuke used all of the Bijuus power to use Indra's arrow: Its a reasonable assumption
Support: It's just a Sasuke thing to do. Why would he not go all out and use all of the Bijuus Chakra?
Debunked: This cannot be true however. The Bijuus are made entirely of Chakra. If Sasuke where to use all of their Chakra, their entire essence would be diminished. But it wasn't. Now how much of the Chakra Sasuke used is purely speculation. Nobody can be right on that question.


Claim 4) If it wasn't for Indra's arrow, Sasuke would be dead: Also a reasonable assumption.
Support: Sasuke needed Indra's arrow to stalemate two of Naruto's most powerful attacks

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Debunked: It is this simple. Sasuke didn't need to clash. He is fast enough (Shushin/Amenotejikara) to have gotten his ass out of their if needed. With Sasuke's rinnegan eye, he could have also swapped switched Naruto his position (like how he did here:

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) and put Naruto in the crossfire of his own attack.

Claim 5) Sasuke fought a war exhausted Naruto: Honestly one of my favorite claims to debunk
Support: It looks like Naruto did more
Debunked: This claim is nothing but speculation. First off, Naruto showed no level of exhaustion before the fight between him and Sasuke began. Even reaching VOTE at the same time of Sasuke. Now who are you to say that Naruto did more? Naruto has a shit ton of Chakra. It is generally accepted that Naruto has a SHIT ton more chakra than Sasuke. How do you know that Sasuke wasn't at the same level of RELATIVE (key word) Chakra exhaustion (doubt they where even exhausted in the first place) as Naruto? Let me use an example if this is to hard to comprehend. Lets say, Naruto has a total of 100,000 "chakra points" and Sasuke has a total of 50,000 "chakra points." Lets say by the end of the war, when Naruto was about to fight Sasuke, his chakra point total was now only 50,000. Lets say sasukes was only 25,000 before the fight. It looks like Naruto did more in the war, because his chakra point total went down by 50,000, while Sasukes only went down by 25,000. However they both did equal amount of work, cause both their chakra point total went down by half. Sorry if this is to much math, and is hard to understand. Private message me, or just tell me now, and I will try to explain this in a different way.



Here are 5 claims commonly thrown around by certain Naruto fans in support of Naruto over Sasuke. I have debunked them. If their are other claims I have missed post them below. If you feel I didn't debunk a claim above, leave a comment on how.

Authors note: I am not bashing Naruto as a character. If anything I am targeting his fans. Naruto as a character has somewhat warmed on me to the point that I actually kind of like him. However, his fans are a whole different story. Often you see Naruto fans talking/targeting Sasuke, more than you see them actually talking about Naruto.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Isn't this all common sense?
Can't believe some NB members still can't comprehend the manga.

 

[Holy God]

Key:
Claim: This is the claim made by Naruto fans
Support: This is how Naruto fans usually back this claim up
Debunked: This is how I go about debunking said claim
SHOW: A picture/link used to debunk or support a claim

Now, lets begin...

Claim 2) Naruto stalemated Sasuke's Amaterasu Chidori with a base rasengan: Okay. People who claim this (and claim 1) honest to god have the worst reading comprehension I have ever seen. Like honestly do you people just read/see what you want to see, and not what is actually being shown/written?
Support: Their only support is the fact that Naruto's Rasengan LOOKED like a base Rasengan
Debunked:

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If you would actually read, you will see that was not a base Rasengan. Not even close. That was a Kyuubi powered Rasengan. So much Kyuubi chakra was put into the Rasengan, that the Nine Tails fell asleep after it.

I acknowledge that the Rasengan and Chidori are equal representatives, but you might be forgetting that even Sasuke's Chidori was powered by Kurama's chakra that was taken panels before.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

I acknowledge that the Rasengan and Chidori are equal representatives, but you might be forgetting that even Sasuke's Chidori was powered by Kurama's chakra that was taken panels before.

That chakra went to the Chidori he was going to land on Naruto before he got headbutted.

 

[Holy God]

That chakra went to the Chidori he was going to land on Naruto before he got headbutted.

We were shown previously that Sasuke did not have enough of his own chakra to create his own attack, as it disintegrated before completion. That means Kurama's chakra was distributed between both Chidori.

 

[BLAZE]

Okay :| just don't bother with them most of them are alts

 

[Berserker]

I agree with the thread but honestly it is getting repetitive now. We can fight Naruto vs Sasuke for the decade and no one will change their minds so why argue about it.

I acknowledge that the Rasengan and Chidori are equal representatives, but you might be forgetting that even Sasuke's Chidori was powered by Kurama's chakra that was taken panels before.

Kurama said the chakra he made for Naruto wasn't compatible with Sasuke so it loss alot of power.

 

[Dr Gilgamesh]

Isn't this all common sense?
Can't believe some NB members still can't comprehend the manga.

This.

OT: You can't argue with fanboys, so don't bother. Still a good thread tho.

 

[take it easy]

Why Saucetards still used Narutos words as proof that Sasuke didn't lost the battle ?

For Sasuke it was loss, accept it and move on.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

This.

OT: You can't argue with fanboys, so don't bother. Still a good thread tho.

Appreciate it

 

[Hiraishin Stage 3]

That was a Kyuubi powered Rasengan.

That is not how base is considered for rasengan, but if you want to go that way, sasuke used kyuubi chakra to use chidori.

So much Kyuubi chakra was put into the Rasengan, that the Nine Tails fell asleep after it.

He fell asleep because they had been fighting the war for so long. He was already low on chakra to begin with.

Nobody falls asleep because of a tiny rasengan.

If Sasuke where to use all of their Chakra, their entire essence would be diminished.

This also wrong, the bijuus run out of chakra all the time but they don't die.

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He is fast enough (Shushin/Amenotejikara) to have gotten his ass out of their if needed.

It has a limited range, cannot be used to escape long range attacks.

With Sasuke's rinnegan eye, he could have also swapped switched Naruto his position (like how he did here:

Again limited range, and would achieve nothing, they would just have positions reversed and still be a little distance away from the center.

You are coming up so many alternative way in which fight would have gone, yet you seem to forget that Naruto had no intention of even fighting.

He did not make any sort of plan or strategy to try and kill him like he did with the in the previous war arc fights. He only kept neutralizing sasuke's attacks. If even after taking in massive temporary chakra from 9 bijuus sasuke failed to kill Naruto then its already clear who is the superior one.

 

[rikudokage]

That chakra went to the Chidori he was going to land on Naruto before he got headbutted.

you have no proof of that and can't possibly prove that only the first chidori was power by the kurama chakra, especially when he was nearly out of chakra and chidori require a lot of chakra. it doesn't matter they both used kurama chakra for their last attack. it was never stated in the manga what naruto use to stalemate Indra's arrow was naruto strongest just. The manga only stated it was sashes strongest justu not vice versa. are you serious about claim 5, naruto have been fighting for days and even if naruto have unimaginable stamina he is still human.plus naruto exhausted way more charka throughout the kayuga fight. claim 3, he still used way more juubi chakra than naruto, especially since naruto was running low on the other bijui chakra.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Lol. Naruto says it's not up to sasuke who wins or loses. It's up to naruto. Naruto didn't even consider it a "fight" more like him beating sense into his friend(his own words) yet sasuke's M.O. from get go was the kill.

Sasuke fans= it's a tie.

Me:

 

[rikudokage]

I agree with the thread but honestly it is getting repetitive now. We can fight Naruto vs Sasuke for the decade and no one will change their minds so why argue about it.



Kurama said the chakra he made for Naruto wasn't compatible with Sasuke so it loss alot of power.

scan? are you really making things up now?

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Why Saucetards still used Narutos words as proof that Sasuke didn't lost battle ?

For Sasuke it was lost, accept it and move on.

Why oh why can't ppl understand this sime concept? Who cares how naruto felt about the fight? If I kick someone's ass in a fight and say dude, don't wry I wasn't serious u didn't rly lose that's not what's important, THAT DOESNT MATTER.

The viewers are the ones who determines who won, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE LOSER SAYS HE LOST ALSO. Wtf

 

[Berserker]

scan? are you really making things up now?

I have no reason to make anything up. It happened when Kurama was coaching Naruto.

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[Kaneki Kun]

you have no proof of that and can't possibly prove that only the first chidori was power by the kurama chakra, especially when he was nearly out of chakra and chidori require a lot of chakra. it doesn't matter they both used kurama chakra for their last attack. it was never stated in the manga what naruto use to stalemate Indra's arrow was naruto strongest just. The manga only stated it was sashes strongest justu not vice versa. are you serious about claim 5, naruto have been fighting for days and even if naruto have unimaginable stamina he is still human.plus naruto exhausted way more charka throughout the kayuga fight. claim 3, he still used way more juubi chakra than naruto, especially since naruto was running low on the other bijui chakra.

You're the reason why people have to make threads like this.

 

[AnonymousShinobi]

Why oh why can't ppl understand this sime concept? Who cares how naruto felt about the fight? If I kick someone's ass in a fight and say dude, don't wry I wasn't serious u didn't rly lose that's not what's important, THAT DOESNT MATTER.

The viewers are the ones who determines who won, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE LOSER SAYS HE LOST ALSO. Wtf

Then you realize your post was pointless cause both Naruto and Sasuke where lying on the ground in the same condition.

 

[SumnNarutoRelated]

Then you realize your post was pointless cause both Naruto and Sasuke where lying on the ground in the same condition.

A lost is a lost. No one said it was an easy win for Naruto. Especially when you're not tryna kill your opponent. It took Gai and Neji to take down Lee without killing him. Does that mean Lee tied with Gai and Neji?

 

[Kaneki Kun]

Read the edit clown.

Sasuke said he lost, whether physically or a battle of ideals he still lost.

He lost his ideal, they both lost/draw physically.
It isn't that hard to comprehend.