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[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

Here are sketches from “Uzumaki Naruto - Chakra Mode", by Tetsuya Nishio - Pierrot.

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[wanderingcactus]

chakra + sage

 

[Calpal]

What are we debating over?
i see the subject, but what are the conflicting opinions?

 

[Reboryushon]

The second one sure does look like RSM but without TSB.

 

[Styles]

What was the debate exactly?

 

[Reboryushon]

What was the debate exactly?

I think the OP is refering to whether Naruto lost RSM or not..

 

[Styles]

I think the OP is refering to whether Naruto lost RSM or not..

Did people really think he lost RSM? Only thing he lost was TSB from not using bijuu's chakra.

 

[Melanin]

Yes, we all knew this.

 

[Reboryushon]

Did people really think he lost RSM? Only thing he lost was TSB from not using bijuu's chakra.

Yup. Exactly!

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..and the list goes on. There must be like 30 threads on the subject since 2015.

 

[Styles]

Yup. Exactly!

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..and the list goes on. There must be like 30 threads on the subject since 2015.

That's so sad.

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

That isn’t six paths sage mode. It’s his kurama mode

 

[chaos control]

That isn’t six paths sage mode. It’s his kurama mode

There's some ambiguity with that wording though. If that text truly translates to "Uzumaki Naruto - Chakara Mode" and not "Uzumaki Naruto - Kurama Chakara Mode" then it is still left open as to what mode that is. I say this because even though RSM never had "chakara mode" in the name, it still is in fact a chakara mode (the cloaked version of it, not the base form version that kicked Madara's truth seeking ball). It is a chakara mode in the sense that it cloaks Naruto in a cloak of chakara, just like KCM and BM do.

Let it also be known that BM/BSM have also been referred to as chakara mode (Kurama chakara mode or Kurama link mode) as well, so it is not so far fetched for the same to happen with RSM.


Personally in my opinion, we will never get any real confirmation as to what happened to that form until one of the following things happens:

1. RSM is directly mentioned in the manga/anime and Naruto explains why he can't/hasn't used it.
2. Kishimoto/Kodachi do an interview and someone actually asks what happened to RSM and the writers actually outright explain it.


In my honest opinion, it would be stupid if they actually took it away from Naruto and it would be even more stupid to do so in the way that they did.

It is one thing to give a character a temporary powerup, but I believe that when a powerup is temporary, then the writers should either make that clear from the beginning or clearly show us the moment in which the character lost the power (or at least have the character say something about it). Don't just have them not use it and never mention it without giving us a proper exit for that power.

Here are two examples of good ways to send off a temporary powerup:

1. When Kakashi got DMS, it was stated from the beginning that this was temporary. Also, after Kaguya was sealed, we actually saw the chakara/eyes leave Kakashi's body and transfer back to Obito. Good job on this.

2. DBS just recently did it well with Goku's ultra instinct. They clearly had Vegeta ask "What happened to your ultra instinct?", and Goku clearly said "I can't go into it. During the tournament, I was pushed beyond my limits and just went into it on accident".

These are two good examples of how to send off a powerup.

Now here is a bad example:

1. Freaking RSM!!!

That is my two cents on it. Have a nice day.

 

[Nick01]

That is indeed RSM Naruto.

 

[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

There is no such thing as six paths chakra mode. There is only six paths senjutsu and six paths sage mode. There is however kurama mode aka kurama chakra mode. It’s not that deep. Naruto as hokage has been shown to use kurama several times already, and no other biju. Since this is his chakra mode, it’s his kurama chakra mode. It’s a variant, just like he used a variant during the last movie and the boruto movie. Its all the same mode, just variants. Also while in kurama mode/kurama chakra mode he can enter sage mode, this doesn’t change his mode. He is still in kurama mode but also in sage mode. This was stated in the last guide, the two can be used simultaneously.

If this was six paths sage mode, his appearance would surely be different OR they would’ve named the sketch accordingly.

 

[wanderingcactus]

writers actually outright explain it.

do you know if Kodachi is still working on the Boruto series or no? I doubt that Kishi will do anything substantial even though he is "supervising" I can see that he has been done with the series, he did try on the Gaiden but kind of said whatever halfway through. I feel like he is just gonna approve anything at this point. For example, Otsutsuki filler arc.

 

[wanderingcactus]

There is no such thing as six paths chakra mode

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[Hag0r0m0 0tsutsuki]

That’s tensigan’ chakra mode, no?

 

[FemmeFatale]

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That was Sakura sneezing. You see that haruno circle

 

[chaos control]

do you know if Kodachi is still working on the Boruto series or no? I doubt that Kishi will do anything substantial even though he is "supervising" I can see that he has been done with the series, he did try on the Gaiden but kind of said whatever halfway through. I feel like he is just gonna approve anything at this point. For example, Otsutsuki filler arc.

Yes Kodachi is still writing it.

 

[Joon]

The first picture is Kurama/Bijuu-Sage Mode and the second picture is Six Path Sage Mode.