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2-1 In favor of NSUNSR. GG Zexion.
Debate: Orochimaru [NSUNSR] vs Deidara [Zexion]
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Ok, I'll make this short and simple.
1. I'm judging nothing but what was said by both Zexion and NSUNSR.
2. If either one of the two contestants has a problem with my judgement, please take it up with beansandcornbread2 or the other users who are running this tournament.
3. What I wrote above the lines is merely a convenience for me in order to help myself fully understand the points brought up by both users. My real judgement is placed below the lines in each spoiler titled "Zexion's/NSUNSR's first/second/third post". This is a post by post notation.
1. I'm judging nothing but what was said by both Zexion and NSUNSR.
2. If either one of the two contestants has a problem with my judgement, please take it up with beansandcornbread2 or the other users who are running this tournament.
3. What I wrote above the lines is merely a convenience for me in order to help myself fully understand the points brought up by both users. My real judgement is placed below the lines in each spoiler titled "Zexion's/NSUNSR's first/second/third post". This is a post by post notation.
Zexion's first post
NSUNSR's first post
Zexion's second post
NSUNSR's second post
Zexion's third post
NSUNSR's third post
Zex started off his post and strategy by having Deidara create a clone in order to set up mines underneath the battlefield. Made a good point about Orochimaru setting off multiple mines at a time by using slithering snake mode. Made a point about Oro's IC tendency.
Zex claimed that Deidara's C1 birds are agile enough to swing around Orochimaru's Rashoumon. Made a point to emphasize their versatility and speed (and the fact that Deidara can make them faster by injecting more chakra into these bombs). Claimed that Deidara's C1 bombs are strong enough to blow off limbs. He also said that these birds can lead Oro into the mines and/or make him burn through his reserves quickly by using his chakra taxing snake replacement technique in order to heal from his injuries.
Zex claimed that Deidara can create his C2 Dragon instantly and that his bombs can move on their own. He also kind of has a weird strategy going by suggesting that Deidara would remotely control his C2 Dragon from another one of his faster airborne clay sculptures in order to bypass the C2 Dragon's primary weakness. He also made good points regarding Deidara's ability to box in Sasuke, who is faster than Orochimaru with his land mines and clay bombs. He also said that Oro doesn't have the benefit of being able to instantly activate a curse mark form like Hebi Sasuke, which is a faster defense than Orochimaru's defenses.
Finally, Zex finished off his first post by claiming that Zetsu Oro isn't immune from C4 and that its range is too vast for him to escape before inhaling the nano bombs.
Zex claimed that Deidara's C1 birds are agile enough to swing around Orochimaru's Rashoumon. Made a point to emphasize their versatility and speed (and the fact that Deidara can make them faster by injecting more chakra into these bombs). Claimed that Deidara's C1 bombs are strong enough to blow off limbs. He also said that these birds can lead Oro into the mines and/or make him burn through his reserves quickly by using his chakra taxing snake replacement technique in order to heal from his injuries.
Zex claimed that Deidara can create his C2 Dragon instantly and that his bombs can move on their own. He also kind of has a weird strategy going by suggesting that Deidara would remotely control his C2 Dragon from another one of his faster airborne clay sculptures in order to bypass the C2 Dragon's primary weakness. He also made good points regarding Deidara's ability to box in Sasuke, who is faster than Orochimaru with his land mines and clay bombs. He also said that Oro doesn't have the benefit of being able to instantly activate a curse mark form like Hebi Sasuke, which is a faster defense than Orochimaru's defenses.
Finally, Zex finished off his first post by claiming that Zetsu Oro isn't immune from C4 and that its range is too vast for him to escape before inhaling the nano bombs.
NSUNSR's first post
Ok... I'll call you NS to make this shorter. NS started off his post by establishing intel advantage, which should be in Orochimaru's favor. If this turns out to be true, then Orochimaru won't have anything to be surprised by.
He made good points about Oro's heat sensing and claimed that he is now also a chakra sensor via White Zetsu.
NS alluded to Oro's extensive ability to travel underground and hide himself from sensors. (GitS's note: all of these points sound familiar...
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Countered Zex's initial strategy by having Oro make a clone and using his fuuton to whip up a smokescreen in order to get the clone underground seamlessly. Also claimed that, with Oro's sensory abilities, it'd have an easier time of tracking Deidara's clone than vice versa since Oro's clone is hidden within the flora and fauna of the earth while using Mayfly. Finally, he had Oro's clone absorb the chakra out of Deidara's bombs.
NS showed that Oro won't necessarily need to rely on defensive summonings can can handle the C1 bombs on his own. Also pointed out Deidara's tendency to start out with his C1 bombs during his fights. Finally, he showed that Oro's skin was capable of withstanding KN1's bitchslap with little damage.
To cap off his first post, NS had Oro's clone come from the underground and restrain Deidara with snakes, leaving him open to get shanked by the Kusanagi sword. Emphasized the restricting strength of Oro's snake shadow hands.
He made good points about Oro's heat sensing and claimed that he is now also a chakra sensor via White Zetsu.
NS alluded to Oro's extensive ability to travel underground and hide himself from sensors. (GitS's note: all of these points sound familiar...
)Countered Zex's initial strategy by having Oro make a clone and using his fuuton to whip up a smokescreen in order to get the clone underground seamlessly. Also claimed that, with Oro's sensory abilities, it'd have an easier time of tracking Deidara's clone than vice versa since Oro's clone is hidden within the flora and fauna of the earth while using Mayfly. Finally, he had Oro's clone absorb the chakra out of Deidara's bombs.
NS showed that Oro won't necessarily need to rely on defensive summonings can can handle the C1 bombs on his own. Also pointed out Deidara's tendency to start out with his C1 bombs during his fights. Finally, he showed that Oro's skin was capable of withstanding KN1's bitchslap with little damage.
To cap off his first post, NS had Oro's clone come from the underground and restrain Deidara with snakes, leaving him open to get shanked by the Kusanagi sword. Emphasized the restricting strength of Oro's snake shadow hands.
Zexion's second post
Zex made a good point about Deidara knowing more about Oro than NS let on. Given that Sasuke was Oro's student and wears similar attire (that purple band), Deidara should know that both have similar abilities.
Zex claimed that White Zetsu isn't a very adept sensor, so tracking Deidara won't be so easy. Also claimed that Orochimaru's snakes can sense heat, but Oro himself does not have direct access to what the snakes are sensing.
Zex argued against Orochimaru having Hiding like a Mole, and showed that actually merging with the ground to use Mayfly takes some time.
Zex also said that the Zetsu clones are too weak for battle, so it won't be capable of defeating Deidara's clone so easily. He also claimed that Hiding like a Mole will allow Deidara's clone to anticipate an attack much easier given the databook description of the technique.
Zex pointed out that the land mines can be deployed quickly and that Oro's parasitic clone, which is rather weak for battle, could set off a mine trying to search for Deidara's clone.
Zex pointed out that Deidara's C1 has damaged something more durable than Orochimaru's skin and also pointed out that the C1 bombs can follow Orochimaru wherever he chooses to go.
Zex showed that Deidara was capable of reacting to and dodging something faster than Orochimaru's snake hands.
He also showed Deidara's proficiency at clone feints.
Zex claimed that White Zetsu isn't a very adept sensor, so tracking Deidara won't be so easy. Also claimed that Orochimaru's snakes can sense heat, but Oro himself does not have direct access to what the snakes are sensing.
Zex argued against Orochimaru having Hiding like a Mole, and showed that actually merging with the ground to use Mayfly takes some time.
Zex also said that the Zetsu clones are too weak for battle, so it won't be capable of defeating Deidara's clone so easily. He also claimed that Hiding like a Mole will allow Deidara's clone to anticipate an attack much easier given the databook description of the technique.
Zex pointed out that the land mines can be deployed quickly and that Oro's parasitic clone, which is rather weak for battle, could set off a mine trying to search for Deidara's clone.
Zex pointed out that Deidara's C1 has damaged something more durable than Orochimaru's skin and also pointed out that the C1 bombs can follow Orochimaru wherever he chooses to go.
Zex showed that Deidara was capable of reacting to and dodging something faster than Orochimaru's snake hands.
He also showed Deidara's proficiency at clone feints.
NSUNSR's second post
NS gave solid reasoning to counter Zex's claim of Deidara having extensive intel on whoever he chooses to kill but nevertheless Deidara will know that the two share similar abilities. Deidara also wasn't alive to know about Orochimaru merging with a Zetsu body, but it's questionable to say that Deidara would have zero intel on someone who was his former Akatsuki teammate.
NS conceded about White Zetsu being a chakra sensor.
NS gave more solid evidence for Oro being capable of using the Hidden Mole technique.
NS used a scan of Tobi outspeeding Mafly with Kamui, one of the fastest techniques in the manga, to prove Mayfly's speed even though Zexion only questioned how quickly Oro can merge with the ground, not how quickly he can move underground.
NS claimed that Deidara wouldn't be able to perceive Oro's clone using Mayfly given the properties of the technique.
NS showed that jinchuuriki do get stronger and faster when in their "V1/V2" forms.
NS claimed that the snake summoning tanked a C2 bomb.
NS claimed that the Zetsu clone could have been capable of using GSB to counter Zex's claim of the clones being too weak.
NS countered C2 and C3 by having Oro summon snakes to protect him.
NS claimed that Oro would be able to sense the nano bombs.
NS conceded about White Zetsu being a chakra sensor.
NS gave more solid evidence for Oro being capable of using the Hidden Mole technique.
NS used a scan of Tobi outspeeding Mafly with Kamui, one of the fastest techniques in the manga, to prove Mayfly's speed even though Zexion only questioned how quickly Oro can merge with the ground, not how quickly he can move underground.
NS claimed that Deidara wouldn't be able to perceive Oro's clone using Mayfly given the properties of the technique.
NS showed that jinchuuriki do get stronger and faster when in their "V1/V2" forms.
NS claimed that the snake summoning tanked a C2 bomb.
NS claimed that the Zetsu clone could have been capable of using GSB to counter Zex's claim of the clones being too weak.
NS countered C2 and C3 by having Oro summon snakes to protect him.
NS claimed that Oro would be able to sense the nano bombs.
Zexion's third post
Deidara would have basic intel.
Yep, I don't agree that Deidara would have zero intel on his teammate.
Being caught inside a genjutsu doesn't mean that whoever was caught isn't a sensor. Keep in mind that the example you're showing is Orochimaru on his literal deathbed.
Zex claimed that Oro may have seen Team 7 behind the bushes or may have felt Sai underground nearby. Also used a scan of Orochimaru not being able to sense Sasuke while sick and dying.
It might take some time for a Mayfly user to merge with the ground but regardless, NS countered this by buying the clone some time via Oro's fuuton.
Zex further proved that the clone is stated to be too weak for battle and showed NS that he forgot that the Zetsu clone absorbed some of Kisame's chakra beforehand.
Proved that NS was wrong about Deidara using C2 at the beginning.
I agree that the lower tiered boss snakes won't protect Oro from C2 and C3.
Yep, I don't agree that Deidara would have zero intel on his teammate.
Being caught inside a genjutsu doesn't mean that whoever was caught isn't a sensor. Keep in mind that the example you're showing is Orochimaru on his literal deathbed.
Zex claimed that Oro may have seen Team 7 behind the bushes or may have felt Sai underground nearby. Also used a scan of Orochimaru not being able to sense Sasuke while sick and dying.
It might take some time for a Mayfly user to merge with the ground but regardless, NS countered this by buying the clone some time via Oro's fuuton.
Zex further proved that the clone is stated to be too weak for battle and showed NS that he forgot that the Zetsu clone absorbed some of Kisame's chakra beforehand.
Proved that NS was wrong about Deidara using C2 at the beginning.
I agree that the lower tiered boss snakes won't protect Oro from C2 and C3.
NSUNSR's third post
NS finally got his point across to Zexion.
Sasuke managed to reverse Fushi Tensei and ended up absorbing Orochimaru, so I'm not sure if he solidly broke out of any genjutsu.
NS refuted Zex's assumptions of Oro seeing Team 7 or feeling Sai's ground movements.
Gave some more decent implications for Oro being capable of sensing.
Refuted Zex's claim of Oro only being capable of absorbing his own chakra from Kabuto's body.
Showed that Pain's reactions and speed feats wouldn't invalidate Orochimaru's against the same opponent.
I agree that C1 can be dodged given Oro's speed feats.
NS countered Zex's claim of the parasite clones being too weak by having the clone take some of Oro's chakra, who has impressive stamina feats.
I don't think that Deidara's clone will be capable of perceiving Mayfly in time either.
I also don't think Deidara will have access to the ground to create more clay either, but this give the implication of Deidara taking off in time, which goes against your particular strategy.
Sasuke managed to reverse Fushi Tensei and ended up absorbing Orochimaru, so I'm not sure if he solidly broke out of any genjutsu.
NS refuted Zex's assumptions of Oro seeing Team 7 or feeling Sai's ground movements.
Gave some more decent implications for Oro being capable of sensing.
Refuted Zex's claim of Oro only being capable of absorbing his own chakra from Kabuto's body.
Showed that Pain's reactions and speed feats wouldn't invalidate Orochimaru's against the same opponent.
I agree that C1 can be dodged given Oro's speed feats.
NS countered Zex's claim of the parasite clones being too weak by having the clone take some of Oro's chakra, who has impressive stamina feats.
I don't think that Deidara's clone will be capable of perceiving Mayfly in time either.
I also don't think Deidara will have access to the ground to create more clay either, but this give the implication of Deidara taking off in time, which goes against your particular strategy.
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Ok, I'll make this short and simple.
1. I'm judging nothing but what was said by both Zexion and NSUNSR.
2. If either one of the two contestants has a problem with my judgement, please take it up with beansandcornbread2 or the other users who are running this tournament.
3. What I wrote above the lines is merely a convenience for me in order to help myself fully understand the points brought up by both users. My real judgement is placed below the lines in each spoiler titled "Zexion's/NSUNSR's first/second/third post". This is a post by post notation.
Zexion's first post
Zex started off his post and strategy by having Deidara create a clone in order to set up mines underneath the battlefield. Made a good point about Orochimaru setting off multiple mines at a time by using slithering snake mode. Made a point about Oro's IC tendency.
Zex claimed that Deidara's C1 birds are agile enough to swing around Orochimaru's Rashoumon. Made a point to emphasize their versatility and speed (and the fact that Deidara can make them faster by injecting more chakra into these bombs). Claimed that Deidara's C1 bombs are strong enough to blow off limbs. He also said that these birds can lead Oro into the mines and/or make him burn through his reserves quickly by using his chakra taxing snake replacement technique in order to heal from his injuries.
Zex claimed that Deidara can create his C2 Dragon instantly and that his bombs can move on their own. He also kind of has a weird strategy going by suggesting that Deidara would remotely control his C2 Dragon from another one of his faster airborne clay sculptures in order to bypass the C2 Dragon's primary weakness. He also made good points regarding Deidara's ability to box in Sasuke, who is faster than Orochimaru with his land mines and clay bombs. He also said that Oro doesn't have the benefit of being able to instantly activate a curse mark form like Hebi Sasuke, which is a faster defense than Orochimaru's defenses.
Finally, Zex finished off his first post by claiming that Zetsu Oro isn't immune from C4 and that its range is too vast for him to escape before inhaling the nano bombs.
NSUNSR's first post
Ok... I'll call you NS to make this shorter. NS started off his post by establishing intel advantage, which should be in Orochimaru's favor. If this turns out to be true, then Orochimaru won't have anything to be surprised by.
He made good points about Oro's heat sensing and claimed that he is now also a chakra sensor via White Zetsu.
NS alluded to Oro's extensive ability to travel underground and hide himself from sensors. (GitS's note: all of these points sound familiar...
Countered Zex's initial strategy by having Oro make a clone and using his fuuton to whip up a smokescreen in order to get the clone underground seamlessly. Also claimed that, with Oro's sensory abilities, it'd have an easier time of tracking Deidara's clone than vice versa since Oro's clone is hidden within the flora and fauna of the earth while using Mayfly. Finally, he had Oro's clone absorb the chakra out of Deidara's bombs.
NS showed that Oro won't necessarily need to rely on defensive summonings can can handle the C1 bombs on his own. Also pointed out Deidara's tendency to start out with his C1 bombs during his fights. Finally, he showed that Oro's skin was capable of withstanding KN1's bitchslap with little damage.
To cap off his first post, NS had Oro's clone come from the underground and restrain Deidara with snakes, leaving him open to get shanked by the Kusanagi sword. Emphasized the restricting strength of Oro's snake shadow hands.
Zexion's second post
Zex made a good point about Deidara knowing more about Oro than NS let on. Given that Sasuke was Oro's student and wears similar attire (that purple band), Deidara should know that both have similar abilities.
Zex claimed that White Zetsu isn't a very adept sensor, so tracking Deidara won't be so easy. Also claimed that Orochimaru's snakes can sense heat, but Oro himself does not have direct access to what the snakes are sensing.
Zex argued against Orochimaru having Hiding like a Mole, and showed that actually merging with the ground to use Mayfly takes some time.
Zex also said that the Zetsu clones are too weak for battle, so it won't be capable of defeating Deidara's clone so easily. He also claimed that Hiding like a Mole will allow Deidara's clone to anticipate an attack much easier given the databook description of the technique.
Zex pointed out that the land mines can be deployed quickly and that Oro's parasitic clone, which is rather weak for battle, could set off a mine trying to search for Deidara's clone.
Zex pointed out that Deidara's C1 has damaged something more durable than Orochimaru's skin and also pointed out that the C1 bombs can follow Orochimaru wherever he chooses to go.
Zex showed that Deidara was capable of reacting to and dodging something faster than Orochimaru's snake hands.
He also showed Deidara's proficiency at clone feints.
NSUNSR's second post
NS gave solid reasoning to counter Zex's claim of Deidara having extensive intel on whoever he chooses to kill but nevertheless Deidara will know that the two share similar abilities. Deidara also wasn't alive to know about Orochimaru merging with a Zetsu body, but it's questionable to say that Deidara would have zero intel on someone who was his former Akatsuki teammate.
NS conceded about White Zetsu being a chakra sensor.
NS gave more solid evidence for Oro being capable of using the Hidden Mole technique.
NS used a scan of Tobi outspeeding Mafly with Kamui, one of the fastest techniques in the manga, to prove Mayfly's speed even though Zexion only questioned how quickly Oro can merge with the ground, not how quickly he can move underground.
NS claimed that Deidara wouldn't be able to perceive Oro's clone using Mayfly given the properties of the technique.
NS showed that jinchuuriki do get stronger and faster when in their "V1/V2" forms.
NS claimed that the snake summoning tanked a C2 bomb.
NS claimed that the Zetsu clone could have been capable of using GSB to counter Zex's claim of the clones being too weak.
NS countered C2 and C3 by having Oro summon snakes to protect him.
NS claimed that Oro would be able to sense the nano bombs.
Zexion's third post
Deidara would have basic intel.
Yep, I don't agree that Deidara would have zero intel on his teammate.
Being caught inside a genjutsu doesn't mean that whoever was caught isn't a sensor. Keep in mind that the example you're showing is Orochimaru on his literal deathbed.
Zex claimed that Oro may have seen Team 7 behind the bushes or may have felt Sai underground nearby. Also used a scan of Orochimaru not being able to sense Sasuke while sick and dying.
It might take some time for a Mayfly user to merge with the ground but regardless, NS countered this by buying the clone some time via Oro's fuuton.
Zex further proved that the clone is stated to be too weak for battle and showed NS that he forgot that the Zetsu clone absorbed some of Kisame's chakra beforehand.
Proved that NS was wrong about Deidara using C2 at the beginning.
I agree that the lower tiered boss snakes won't protect Oro from C2 and C3.
NSUNSR's third post
NS finally got his point across to Zexion.
Sasuke managed to reverse Fushi Tensei and ended up absorbing Orochimaru, so I'm not sure if he solidly broke out of any genjutsu.
NS refuted Zex's assumptions of Oro seeing Team 7 or feeling Sai's ground movements.
Gave some more decent implications for Oro being capable of sensing.
Refuted Zex's claim of Oro only being capable of absorbing his own chakra from Kabuto's body.
Showed that Pain's reactions and speed feats wouldn't invalidate Orochimaru's against the same opponent.
I agree that C1 can be dodged given Oro's speed feats.
NS countered Zex's claim of the parasite clones being too weak by having the clone take some of Oro's chakra, who has impressive stamina feats.
I don't think that Deidara's clone will be capable of perceiving Mayfly in time either.
I also don't think Deidara will have access to the ground to create more clay either, but this give the implication of Deidara taking off in time, which goes against your particular strategy.
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Beans2 asked me to judge this debate, so I'm going ahead and do that. I'll try to keep this as short as possible since I'm the tiebreaker, and it's fruitless to make a lengthy judgment considering the post per post analysis of the other 2 judges.
If contestants have a problem with my judgement, please take it to the members who are hosting this tournament.
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Zexion started his opener by showing how Deidara can perform the same strategy he used against Sasuke, by utilising one of his Clay bunshin. NUNSR effectively countered it by showing 2 different methods Orochimaru can use to travel underground just like Deidara, and deal with the Clay bunshin. Zexion made good to show that C1 bombs posses some degree of maneuverability which can be increased. Furthermore, Zexion stated the C2 dragon coupled with landmines would pressure Orochimaru since someone faster, Sasuke was pressured by such tactics. I liked the point about C4 where Zexion showed Orochimaru isn’t simply a plant like Zetsu, but still has respiration attributes of a snake. In his counter, NUNSR showed some excellent reaction feats of Orochimaru as proof that his reaction and speed are more than enough to dodge C1. Then there was the secondary layer of skin durability feat, which was a nice point. NUNSR strategy revolved around Orochimaru having his Zetsu clone, perform a sneak attack from underground, while the real Orochimaru finishes him off.
On the other hand, Zexion stated Deidara would possess important intel on Orochimaru’s abilities, but his points didn’t convince me much about the degree of info Deidara possesses. Zexion stated that Orochimaru himself isn’t an adept sensor and can’t use heat sensing without summoning his snakes, which he also stated can’t communicate telepathically with their master. This was countered by NUNSR by showing some sensing feats of Orochimaru, although he did misinterpret some scans. NUNSR also countered Zexion’s claim that Mayfly isn’t just a retreat technique. Zexion also showed some good reaction feats of Deidara during his fight against Gaara. He also reinforced his C4 strategy which was convincing enough. NUNSR stated KN3-4 is fast which I completely agree. NUNSR made a half good point about how Mayfly could be utilised to escape C2-C3, but didn’t show any convincing speed feats to how the technique could be applied against speedy projectiles. Another point that goes to NUNSR was the ability of Zetsu clones to be effective on battle considering Orochimaru’s chakra reserves. Also, NUNSR did good to show the passive absorption ability Orochimaru possesses, though absorbing the chakra by contact, from landmines is a paradox in itself.The counter to C4 was weak and one of NUNSR’s poorest points. It didn’t convince me at all, that the towering snakes would help Orochimaru avoid the “gas” range, when they would get affected in the first place making the strategy altogether ineffective.
NUNSR made Zexion concede on their disagreement about the level of intel Deidara possesses. Zexion showed a scan of Orochimaru failing to notice Sasuke and scans where Uchiha brothers easily caught him inside genjutsu (albeit Orochimaru broke Sasuke’s). Even though Orochimaru is indeed a sensor showed by his other feats, this made NUNSR repeat most of his exact previous points instead of forming a new solid counter-argument. I think this was a minus for both of you. Zexion repeated his point about magnetic vibrations from his first post, which would allow Deidara Bunshin to sense any incoming Zetsu clone. Zexion stated Pein isn’t a speedster which is completely false considering his speed feats: 1)evaded FRS 2) outran KN6 , the latter point was brought up by NUNSR, which convinced me that C1 would be dodged based on Orochimaru’s KN4 feat. KN6 is also relatively fast which NUNSR previously stated. NUNSR tried to use a scan of Part 1 Gaara’s sand armour to prove that Orochimaru's secondary layer of skin is stronger than sand armour. While by feats, the secondary layer of skin is more durable you didn’t do good to use a Part 1 feat , considering Gaara’s personal growth as a ninja which should make his sand armour in P2 stronger.
Points that I didn’t expand on, I purpusefully tried not to spend much time with them because they were thoroughly brought up by the two previous judges.
On the other hand, Zexion stated Deidara would possess important intel on Orochimaru’s abilities, but his points didn’t convince me much about the degree of info Deidara possesses. Zexion stated that Orochimaru himself isn’t an adept sensor and can’t use heat sensing without summoning his snakes, which he also stated can’t communicate telepathically with their master. This was countered by NUNSR by showing some sensing feats of Orochimaru, although he did misinterpret some scans. NUNSR also countered Zexion’s claim that Mayfly isn’t just a retreat technique. Zexion also showed some good reaction feats of Deidara during his fight against Gaara. He also reinforced his C4 strategy which was convincing enough. NUNSR stated KN3-4 is fast which I completely agree. NUNSR made a half good point about how Mayfly could be utilised to escape C2-C3, but didn’t show any convincing speed feats to how the technique could be applied against speedy projectiles. Another point that goes to NUNSR was the ability of Zetsu clones to be effective on battle considering Orochimaru’s chakra reserves. Also, NUNSR did good to show the passive absorption ability Orochimaru possesses, though absorbing the chakra by contact, from landmines is a paradox in itself.The counter to C4 was weak and one of NUNSR’s poorest points. It didn’t convince me at all, that the towering snakes would help Orochimaru avoid the “gas” range, when they would get affected in the first place making the strategy altogether ineffective.
NUNSR made Zexion concede on their disagreement about the level of intel Deidara possesses. Zexion showed a scan of Orochimaru failing to notice Sasuke and scans where Uchiha brothers easily caught him inside genjutsu (albeit Orochimaru broke Sasuke’s). Even though Orochimaru is indeed a sensor showed by his other feats, this made NUNSR repeat most of his exact previous points instead of forming a new solid counter-argument. I think this was a minus for both of you. Zexion repeated his point about magnetic vibrations from his first post, which would allow Deidara Bunshin to sense any incoming Zetsu clone. Zexion stated Pein isn’t a speedster which is completely false considering his speed feats: 1)evaded FRS 2) outran KN6 , the latter point was brought up by NUNSR, which convinced me that C1 would be dodged based on Orochimaru’s KN4 feat. KN6 is also relatively fast which NUNSR previously stated. NUNSR tried to use a scan of Part 1 Gaara’s sand armour to prove that Orochimaru's secondary layer of skin is stronger than sand armour. While by feats, the secondary layer of skin is more durable you didn’t do good to use a Part 1 feat , considering Gaara’s personal growth as a ninja which should make his sand armour in P2 stronger.
Points that I didn’t expand on, I purpusefully tried not to spend much time with them because they were thoroughly brought up by the two previous judges.
Personally, I think Zexion is the winner. His C4 argument to how Deidara finishes was solid, which NUNSR failed to counter properly. I feel like both debaters took turns at besting each other in most counters, even though they both misinterpreted points and scans from each other. But ultimately, Zexion's argument how Deidara finishes Orochimaru was more convincing to me personally, than NUNSR's finishing argument.
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ofc zexion would win nuns lost to tre mercer
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That spite.