[DEBATE] Omnificent(KSM Naruto) vs Kidgamer(EMS Sasuke w/jugo)

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I kind of saw more flaws in your argument than I did with Mercer's. The first thing that stuck out to me is dismissing entire sections of his argument because you agree with them. Agreeing with your opponent on points in their debate is pretty fatal in a debate
No issue with the verdict, just with the extremely sloppy judgement.


You judge a debate based on how the arguments are presented. This is you basically giving him points for areas of the fight that are indisputable and obvious wins for Naruto.

An opponent countering you is what is fatal, not agreeing with indisputable points. Him posting the obvious isn't him making a good argument. It's him posting the obvious. Moving on...


Just saying "It won't though" to your opponent's scenario happening doesn't look very good. I know you said he'd escape the second round, but you'd need to say how he does so, not just "Yeah he can avoid it."
Gamer had a lot of vague statements disguised as arguments, things like "He'll just avoid it" or "He'll just jump away" without really explaining how that would help; he was just hoping that'd be enough to carry the arguments, and it wasn't.
Then there's this. You say I didn't say how Susanoo escapes COFRS, but I did, below.

And then there's the ability to just evade. Susanoo's jumping power>Hashirama with rods in his back. So if Naruto doesn't throw it from up close, Susanoo can escape.
So that's another sloppy part of this judgement.

Another is using Black Zetsu's words; a hyperbole, no less, from a pathological, psychotic liar. You mentioned how your usage of him isn't about his credibility, acknowledging that his credibility can be legitimately questioned. In a debate, your sources should definitely not be questionable, especially by you yourself. Using him anyway despite knowing this has hurt you for the debate.
Then there's also this, which I perfectly explained in my post. BZ's credibility isn't relevant. The author is what is relevant. The author wouldn't have a character say that a weapon is invincible when it just got smashed. That has nothing to do with the accuracy of Zetsu's statement. So once again, another sloppy point in this judgement.

e "considering Naruto can't beat him before he does this" part, this is..incomplete, I suppose is the best way of putting it. You can't really say "Sasuke is gonna do and Naruto isn't gonna stop him," you should be able to explain or state how Naruto can't do anything about it. This part implies that Naruto is gonna just stand there while he does it, or that Sasuke becomes untouchable while doing so. You keep saying Amaterasu "handles" things, but as Mercer showed above, Amaterasu burns extremely slowly. Because of this, I'm hesitant to say that casting Amaterasu to a technique that's flying towards you is a good defense
Then there's this. My whole argument counters Naruto's main offensive arsenal. That is why he won't be able to set up Kirin. So I have no idea why you are saying I didn't elaborate. Then there's the fact that the bold goes against canon. Amaterasu has canonically consumed FRS in a matter of seconds. YD stated Amaterasu burns slow as a counter to him coating Susanoo with Enton, so it won't harm Naruto when he tries to grab it. He never made an attempt to try and counter Enton>FRS because it's a fact. He knows it, and I know it, so there is no reason why this is a bad part of my post.

And my attitude towards his posts, whether condescending or not is irrelevant. You're here to judge the points made and nothing else.

The first paragraph hurt you. Mercer essentially said that it wasn't V3 because Danzo's wind tech was able to slice into V3 and Kirin, being exponentially stronger, should be able to obliterate V3 and do more damage than what was done.
Yes. That isn't proof that V3 isn't what took Kirin.


You then said that Kirin needs to be exponentially stronger than wind to obliterate V3, which is exactly what Mercer said.
Using Danzo's Fuuton as evidence that V3 can't take Kirin w/o Itachi dying isn't proof because Kirin is much stronger, and V3 only had a hole in it from the much weaker attack, something I mentioned in that portion of my post.

You contradicted yourself here by going "Kirin needs to be way stronger to do what you're saying" then saying "Kirin is way stronger btw", unless I misunderstood what you were trying to say.
I didn't contradict myself. Kirin being much stronger than the Fuuton is why it can obliterate the whole V3. The Wind only putting a hole in the back of V3 while Kirin obliterated it is why saying the Susanoo can't take Kirin isn't legit. So regardless of whatever confusion there is. He doesn't get a point for this.

The "expansion" part didn't really work out, since that's what happened with the Yoton: Rasenshuriken as well: The disc expanded. While the expansion was much bigger, Mercer's expansion point was legit, or perhaps more accurate, your rebuttal wasn't. The scenario of Kagutsuchi lighting the wind on fire slightly makes up for it.
Then there's this. There was no rebuttal towards the validity of the expansion. The one and only rebuttal was the Enton.

I mean...if you are going to judge, do it right. The above is probably the clearest example of you not reading my post correctly, and then penalizing me for it as if I did something wrong. Lol
 
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Riker you think this is attitude :|


Please read my debate with PC or FT Lol attitude is what makes debates intense and entertaining if both participants can handle it without getting salty let it be.
 

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Yes. That isn't proof that V3 isn't what took Kirin.


Using Danzo's Fuuton as evidence that V3 can't take Kirin w/o Itachi dying isn't proof because Kirin is much stronger, and V3 only had a hole in it from the much weaker attack, something I mentioned in that portion of my post.


I didn't contradict myself. Kirin being much stronger than the Fuuton is why it can obliterate the whole V3. The Wind only putting a hole in the back of V3 while Kirin obliterated it is why saying the Susanoo can't take Kirin isn't legit. So regardless of whatever confusion there is. He doesn't get a point for this.
Technically, KidGamer, it is, because if Danzo's wind tech was able to slice into V3. Than Kirin, being exponentially stronger, should not only obliterate V3, but destroy far more then what was destroyed. I doubt V3 could dampen the impact, which means it should have been a stronger Susano variant that withstood Kirin, but what do I know lol?

Except Itachi didn't die, his body was left mostly unharmed, though his health deteriorated from activating Susano (unless I misread your point).
It was a huge gaping hole larger than a human, not a small hole. It broke through a fair bit of Sasuke's V3.
The wind was directed only at the back, though you are indeed correct, you shouldn't have been deducted a point for that.

You were clearly the winner of the thread.


This was a pretty good thread to read, good job mate, and good job YD.
 

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Technically, KidGamer, it is, because if Danzo's wind tech was able to slice into V3. Than Kirin, being exponentially stronger, should not only obliterate V3, but destroy far more then what was destroyed. I doubt V3 could dampen the impact, which means it should have been a stronger Susano variant that withstood Kirin, but what do I know lol?

Except Itachi didn't die, his body was left mostly unharmed, though his health deteriorated from activating Susano (unless I misread your point).
It was a huge gaping hole larger than a human, not a small hole. It broke through a fair bit of Sasuke's V3.
The wind was directed only at the back, though you are indeed correct, you shouldn't have been deducted a point for that.

You were clearly the winner of the thread.


This was a pretty good thread to read, good job mate, and good job YD.
Nah dude it was , ,

The main reason why the back of Sasky's Susanoo was blown open was because his susanoo couldn't shield itself,

so because Kirin came from above it just busted the whole thing instead of making a hole. Itachi was left untouched though & just reformed susanoo after.
 

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Technically, KidGamer, it is, because if Danzo's wind tech was able to slice into V3. Than Kirin, being exponentially stronger, should not only obliterate V3, but destroy far more then what was destroyed. I doubt V3 could dampen the impact, which means it should have been a stronger Susano variant that withstood Kirin, but what do I know lol?

Except Itachi didn't die, his body was left mostly unharmed, though his health deteriorated from activating Susano (unless I misread your point).
It was a huge gaping hole larger than a human, not a small hole. It broke through a fair bit of Sasuke's V3.
The wind was directed only at the back, though you are indeed correct, you shouldn't have been deducted a point for that.

You were clearly the winner of the thread.


This was a pretty good thread to read, good job mate, and good job YD.
All that means is that Kirin isn't that much stronger than Danzo's enhanced Fuuton.

Yup, you did. I never said he did. I said he didn't die.

That wasn't even 30% of it. A hole larger than a human means nothing when Susanoo is much larger than a human itself.

Lmao, thanks.
 

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:lol Don't even remind me about this terrible ass judgement. It's like this man chose not to read when he typed up that garbage.

"points off cuz u were mean and you agreed on points irrelevant to the actual outcome of the match"

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:lol Don't even remind me about this terrible ass judgement. It's like this man chose not to read when he typed up that garbage.

"points off cuz u were mean and you agreed on points irrelevant to the actual outcome of the match"

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Tied game LMAO.
 
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