I erased the first two parts cause I agree with them. I'll be doing that for everything that I agree with from here on out.
Countering V4 Susanoo.
V4 Susanoo buffed via CM will be extremely hard to bust due to the fact that Itachi survived Kirin which is nearly mountain level with a regular v4 Susanoo. But due to the fact that it's not mobile it won't be as hard it might seem especially with Naruto's speed. Naruto simply makes his 10 KSM clones.(
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). All of the clones proceed to spread around his v4 Susanoo. Susanoo arrows are dodged with little efforts Enton Magatama's doesn't even have speed feats suggesting they could even take out SM Naruto so there completely irrelevant. All clones proceed to use a FRS coming from multiple direction Sasuke won't be able to hit them all. While Sasuke Susanoo is getting bombarded by multiple FRS. Naruto sends his chakra arm under ground simply to what 4tails Naruto did here.(
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). Once underground his chakra hand will have a TBB in it shown here.(
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). Due to him being bombarded by FRS there is no way Sasuke will see this happening nor will he be able to dodge once surprised which means gg Sasuke.
Considering I wasn't planning on using any Susanoo that didn't have legs for this argument, I erased the first 3 paragraphs and I'm not going to address all of it.
1. Itachi didn't use Armored (V4) to survive Kirin. His Armored Susanoo is
always equipped with
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just how Sasuke's Complete Susanoo (V3) is always formed with a bow . V3
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formed with it, but it can use it.
2. Black Zetsu hyped Yata Mirror up to be invincible. The validity of said hype isn't my point though. Kishi wouldn't have had a character say "Item X is invincible", if item X was destroyed literally 3 panels ago. Makes no logical sense.
So it had to have been V3. So it will take multiple FRS or Chou Oodama FRS to bust Sasuke's Armored Legged Susanoo, considering it'll be formed with more chakra, thus larger than Itachi's Susanoo, meaning it will also require more power to completely destroy.
3. Naruto can't send a chakra arm into the ground with a BD attached, that'd cause the BD to collide with the ground, thus blowing up.
4. Even if I assumed that Naruto's clones could all use FRS at the same exact time. They are linear once thrown. All he needs to do is swing the Enton Blade in a 360 degree circle, or he just needs to use Amaterasu and spin his head in a
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FRS was easily dodged by Pain, and the 3rd Raikage, two people who have reactions inferior to Sasuke's after the Juubito fight, considering he matched BSM Naruto's reaction speed, as your first panel shows.
Countering Standing Susanoo
This will be the hardest Susanoo to counter because it is the only Susanoo that can actually move and due to the fact that it nearly hit Juubito which means it's very fast but it's most likely not more durable than a v4 Susanoo which means Naruto can most likely bust it open. Trying to over power this Susanoo isn't happening via strength versatility and Sasuke covering it in Enton. Naruto quickly goes on the attack once on the attack Sasuke will most likely engage Naruto in cqc with this Susanoo but once he gets close Naruto uses Combination Transformation on one of his clones and turns them into Kurama like he did Gamabunta as shown here.(
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). Once turned into full Kurama it uses it's huge tails to smack his Susanoo into the ground. While his standing Susanoo is on the the ground Kurama(KM Clones) hold it down long enough for Naruto and his other 12 KSM clones to make CFRS to blow it to pieces.
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I'm just going to help you out a bit and tell you that this Susanoo obviously isn't the one included in this debate considering that he had Naruto's chakra powering him up back then. Though it doesn't change anything, since an Armored Susanoo with a full body and Jugo's Senjutsu is more than enough to overwhelm this Naruto, who is nowhere near as fast as Juubito is. If this were the Susanoo he used against Juubito it'd be quick low diff stomp.
1. I agree that it's not more durable pound for pound, but considering it'd be
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than the
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/V4, with more chakra pumped into it, it'll take more energy to get past it. Just how it's harder to punch through two pieces of cardboard put on top of each other than it is to punch through only one.
And note that I'm not saying it'll be the same size as Madara's, it'll just be larger than his regular ones. [
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] If he wants to bust it open, it'd take, at least, more than 2 FRS or a Chou Oodama, but none of those are landing.
2. First of all, as shown by Naruto and Bunta's use of the jutsu, it takes two people and merges them into one transformed being. Second of all, becoming a
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(No, they never turned into Kurama, not in the Manga) doesn't mean that said fox will have physical power anywhere close to that of Full Kurama's, hell, even Half Kurama's. The Fox tries to slap Susanoo, Sasuke either evades or he cuts it apart with his
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Which should have much more power behind it when used by a full bodied Armored Susanoo. So that renders the part where the clones hold it down useless, though it's not like there is any proof that the clones are powerful enough to hold down a full bodied Armored Susanoo. If Naruto stops to prep COFRS, while it's charging Sasuke ignites it with Amaterasu, thus catching Naruto on fire.
Though I noticed you mentioned Ma and Pa above, not taking into account that it takes a while to summon them as Jiraiya has shown us, and your hands have to be clapped together.
Countering Summonins,Kirin and Genjutsu
Genjutsu is completely irrelevant as he can use Kurama or clones to snap him out of it. Kirin isn't much either do to it's long prep time so before Kirin is even ready Naruto can disguise himself a rock or use his clones to scatter around the BF making hitting all of them with one strike impossibly. Aoda gets stunned via Frog Kata(Which is not sound genjutsu) Once Stunned Gamabunta and Gamahiro dice it's body into pierces. If Sasuke tries to one shot them via Amaterasu he gets rushed by clones and taken out.
-Agreed with Genjutsu.
-Long prep time isn't so long when you have the stamina to spam Susanoo and Amaterasu. Within minutes of Amaterasu igniting the area and Sasuke firing his Katon into the sky, the thunderclouds were formed. Sasuke can prep Kirin in a matter of minutes due to having all the tools and having the stamina to use them in rapid succession, and considering Naruto can't beat him before he does this, this is a sure kill strategy.
-Agreed with summons, though the jutsu to stun people is called Frog Call. Then there's the fact it takes time to summon Ma and Pa.
Anyway, Sasuke beats Naruto.
-FRS was dodged by Pain and the Raikage. As shown above Sasuke w/ his EMS's full precognitive abilities, he equals BSM Naruto in reaction speed. So you can forget about him not being able to evade it. If Naruto fires FRS at him, Sasuke swats it with his Enton Blade, thus turning it to flame. If Naruto fires multiple FRS, Sasuke jumps in the air, and they fly right past each other, or they even collide. Or Sasuke uses a 360 degree Amaterasu and turns them all to pure flame. If Naruto tries to prep COFRS, Amaterasu handles it. If he somehow fires it...Amaterasu still handles it. Worst case scenario for Naruto, he ends up providing the necessary fuel for Kirin, and then it's GG.
-Naruto gets beaten by Susanoo in CQC. Even though it was a superior Susanoo,
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, who is tiers above KCSM Naruto in movement speed. Sasuke should be able to replicate the same thing against Naruto considering:
A. Sasuke was already matching this Naruto in reaction speed as shown above.
B. Sasuke's normal movement speed was already on par with KCM Naruto's
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not including Shunshin of course. The Juubito panels show that the striking speed, of his Avatar surpass his own. Same goes for this Susanoo.
C. Sasuke's Susanoo has Senjutsu buffing it. Increasing it's movement and striking speed, the power of it's attacks, and it's durability.
D. KCSM Naruto's top speed is Shunshin, which can be used in small bursts, but can't be used to move at that speed continuously. That gives Sasuke more than enough opportunities to tag him. The more Naruto spreads his chakra out among clones, the easier it becomes to deal with him, assuming he spreads them out among too many that is.
I've also seen you use this rock strategy, but this is a clear battlefield, with little obstruction and no large rocks on the ground. It's just desert with some pillars. Taking both factors into account, how will Naruto:
1. Disguise himself and clones without Sasuke noticing?
2. Disguise himself at all? There are no rocks to blend in with. If he turns into a bunch of rocks in a field with no rocks, he'll look suspect as hell.
But yeah, Sasuke wins.
