[Debate] Naruto's way is more idealistic and Obito/Madara's way is more realistic

[mikeeozua]

Naruto's way of peace is the morally correct and justified way of obtaining peace, but the problem is that peace is not guaranteed. Sure after the war has ended, Naruto would have ended hatred and saved the shinobi world, but I honestly doubt that after this the shinobi nations will cooperate with each other for ever and be comrades. No matter what, there will always be someone who still bears grudges towards other nations for previous wars and once again conflict will arise.

When a human knows too many human rights, they become arrogant, using it to their advantage and seeking conflict with other humans, which eventually leads to war. Obito and Madara's way is definitely not justified from what measures they have gone to go through with it, but in all honesty it is the only way to erase the hatred. It's like a 'dream world' as They can control humanity's actions stopping conflict for ever.

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Which way of peace do you agree with more: Naruto/Younger Son's way through love and understanding or Obito/Madara/Elder Son's way through power?

 

[Expulso]

Naruto's way FTW!!!

 

[Fecal Matter]

Obito's way FTW!!!

 

[GwemBaba]

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Your best don't stand a chance.

 

[Narutohokage7]

Narutos, I think the peace he is going for sounds 1000 times better than being zombies in an illusion. Sure there would be the odd conflict or two but that would be the tiny normal thing, not everyone in the Naruto world are gonna be ninjas or civillians who want peace so Naruto can just go bijuu dama them f**kers in the face and thats that.


Madara and Obitos way would make *** and stuff part of their dirty imaginations in a way.

 

[The Necromancer]

Narutos, I think the peace he is going for sounds 1000 times better than being zombies in an illusion. Sure there would be the odd conflict or two but that would be the tiny normal thing, not everyone in the Naruto world are gonna be ninjas or civillians who want peace so Naruto can just go bijuu dama them f**kers in the face and thats that.


Madara and Obitos way would make *** and stuff part of their dirty imaginations in a way.

What you just said is contradictory though. If all it required was being stronger than those who would revolt, then the elder son and uchiha lines would be right all along. The point is that with love NO ONE will fight. Not even the odd conflict or two.

 

[6DIVINExJUDGEMENT8]

Obito/Madara's way is the only answer, but in real life...there will never be such a thing as peace.










unless we put an end to all religion everywhere :snick:

 

[Narutohokage7]

What you just said is contradictory though. If all it required was being stronger than those who would revolt, then the elder son and uchiha lines would be right all along. The point is that with love NO ONE will fight. Not even the odd conflict or two.

I know lol I was kidding, Narutos way of dealing with it would be talking them down, you know thats his style.

 

[JUICEMON GENESIS]

I think narto's way s implausible and Madara's way is inhumane. However, I don't believe TRUE peace can ever really exist.

 

[Honest]

I like Obitos way as it is the only one that we can be sure, would bring peace :y

 

[freaks99]

fight or die for freedom(naruto way) or become a slave without fight(obito way)? i prefer naruto

 

[paratise]

Obito's way is f**ked up; a human should be aware of his or her existance; the aim of war is taking over other side; Obito's way of peace defines corrupting he other people's minds and making them suffer and lose infinetely.

 

[FearxDeath]

I think it speaks alot to real life when you think about it. There are 2 ways to live life.

Naruto's Way - Everyone gets a chance and even on occasion a second chance, you can make a mistake everynow and then and still be ok, but most importantly you are free to do as you want to do and nobody is going to stop you. The only problem is that people dont always chose to do the right thing and they often chose wrong which gives them an advantage over others, and since everyone wants this advantage they rationalize ways to make it ok to leave a comrade behind to die or kill someone before they kill you, fire a guy knowing he wont have enough money to pay rent or kick someone onto the streets who has missed 2 months rent when you know there going through hard times. The freedom the Naruto's ideals brings is also a freedom to chose evil, and with evil being the more advantageous choice naruto's way becomes hard to maintain and often falls into chaos much like we see in the series. Until everyone begins to believe that doing the right thing is its own reward then it will never change.

Madara's Way - is an escape from Naruto's way, he doesnt think anyone would choice the less advantageous path, the right path, simply for the sake of doing so. He believes when push comes to shove and your about to die or lose your job then a person is going to do what needs to be done. If firing 10 people is what stands between you and your new ferrari or bigger house then they shouldnt have trusted so much to you in the first place, why are you responsible for taking care of them. And so he removes the evil from the mix by removing the freedom the chose evil, and in doing so removes the freedom to chose good. But what difference does it make if everyone is happy? It may be a false sense of righteousness/enforced good, but is the illusion any worst than the reality of evil?


I think this is a concept they kishimoto should exploit a little more, but he probably feels that by doing so he would be making Madara less of a villian and more of a missunderstood bad guy. And so Naruto's fight becomes less of a fight between good and evil and more of a fight amoung differing ideals, which lacks a big a luster in comparison. Perhaps with the flashbacks we are currently seeing in the manga it will open a path to us understanding Madara's motives a bit more. Alot like how everyone hates kabuto but you dont blame the guy because he had a tough life, or how everyone hated gaara or atleast saw him as evil up until you realized he was sort of forced to be that way... not sure how to end this... well bye.