Debate - Kimimaro (Akasuna) Vs Tsunade (Adobo)

[Adobo]

Kimimaro will be represented by the legendary Akasuna; while Tsunade will be represented by yours truly.

• Location: Rock Lee Vs Kimimaro
• Intel: Manga
• Restrictions: None
• Conditions: Kimimaro is healthy.
• Starting Distance: 20 meters

Judges: (TheAncientCenturion) - (Faded) - (beansandcornbread)

Akasuna may make the first move.​

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

I'll judge if need be. Got my money on Kimmy though.

 

[Joker]

I call judge

 

[battlestatio]

Interesting matchup, I got my money on Tsunade but most of the time, Kimimaro fans seem to have better arguments.

 

[Akasuna]

I could have sworn we were debating Sasuke vs. Sasuke.

OT: I'll have my opener out today or tomorrow; there's a very slim chance of it being up today, however.

 

[Adobo]

I'll judge if need be. Got my money on Kimmy though.

I call judge

Appreciate it. Need one more!

I could have sworn we were debating Sasuke vs. Sasuke.

OT: I'll have my opener out today or tomorrow; there's a very slim chance of it being up today, however.

Yeah, that Sasuke shit ain't even funny. No worries though, take your time.

 

[Rιver]

You'll lose my respect if you lose this one, Akasuna. Dun't luz m8.​

 

[Beans2]

I can judge. Seems like an even matchup.

 

[Akasuna]

I.

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Allow me to preface my argument by establishing that Kimmimaro's ability of self-healing is truly extraordinary.

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As both my opponent and I know, medics - or in a less concentrated term, those with the ability to perform medical ninjutsu and the like - are taken in high regard on the battlefield given their ability to assist themselves and their allies; as such, their first priority is generally evasion so as to predict the specific skillset that they entail. Even moreso, there are very few accomplished medics that are capable of taking care of themselves both offensively and defensively in a makeshift one v. one on the front lines. In fact, I can list only a handful of fighters that are equal in offensive prowess to defensive, and vice versa.

One of those fighters is a single Kaguya Kimmimaro, who I believe to be quite possibly the third best healer in the manga, bar Kabuto and Hashirama.

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"Impossible," you scoff with an air of disbelief, "Kimmimaro barely breaks the top five of healers." Allow me to explain my thought process behind the matter, by comparing Kimmimaro's healing processes to the processes of Kabuto and Tsunade herself.​

a. Yakushi Kabuto - In'yu Shometsu

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As Kabuto himself describes in the above scan, his specialized form of healing relies on him collecting chakra before the attack where he presumes the attack will land, and then using said chakra to begin regeneration immediately after; anticipation and recovery.

In the bottom right panel, however, he laments that said technique requires a very large amount of chakra, and as such it's not very effective for multiple uses.

I'd like to point out something important here, however, and something that is key to the usefulness of this technique; not once did Kabuto use a handseal in preparation for it.​

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What puts Kimmimaro above Kabuto in terms of healing? Chakra values.

Not only does Kimmimaro posses feats that speak of notable superiority to Kabuto's in terms of chakra levels and stamina (utterly obliterating hundreds of KN0 clones, defeating Lee, fighting and defending against Gaara, all while quite literally on his deathbed), as well as the ability of healing without handseals, the healing properties of his Shikotsumyaku take notably little chakra.​

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b. Senjuu Tsunade - Byakugo no Jutsu

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In her initial description of the Byakugo no Jutsu, Tsunade made a conscious effort to make clear the fact that it's a regeneration jutsu. She utilized chakra stored in the seal on her forehead, and when released said seal utilizes the chakra to exponentially increase the regeneration process. However, this power also comes with a very hefty price tag: the Hayflick Limit, which limits the amount of times the common cell can go through mitosis.
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As we've already seen, in addition to the long term damage this healing technique does, the Byakugo no Jutsu takes immediate effect on Tsunade's body upon it being released, leaving her open for attack immediately afterwards [

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].

Allow me to use this paragraph from Dr. Proof (and to him I give many thanks, for his analysis on the matter of Kimmimaro's healing assisted me) to end this section of my opener.​

Kimimaro is the only Self-Healer in which has shown the capability to regenerate instantaneously from an injury/causality.

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Kimimaro in the previously shown panel is seen removing his spine, this is a crucial sign in which shows he can regenerate instantaneously. To realize why this is, one must know what the spine's role is within the human body:

"The spinal cord is made up of millions of nerve cells that send projections up and down the cord and out into other parts of the body. The information that allows us to sit, run, go to the toilet and breathe travels along these projections, called nerves.

When the spinal cord is injured, the initial trauma causes cell damage and destruction, and triggers a cascade of events that spread around the injury site affecting a number of different types of cells... ...the flow of information between the brain and the spinal cord is blocked.

The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently. Patients may end up with severe movement and sensation disabilities. They will generally be paralyzed and without sensation from the level of the injury downwards."

Pay heavy attention to "The body cannot replace cells lost when the spinal cord is injured, and its function becomes impaired permanently.". This backs up the statement of which Kimimaro iterated "he can control the reformation of his destroyed cells".

To furthermore prove Kimimaro's regeneration was instant in the case of replacing his spine, if his spine wasn't replaced once it came out of placement when he pulled it out, he would have become crippled, and would have fallen from his standing stature; the body is able to stand erect due to the spinal cord.
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Why have I gone in depth as I have? Well, to prove that Kimmimaro's healing is the closest to instant in the entire manga. I've seen many a fallacious statement by those who believe that a single punch from Tsunade is enough to end Kimmimaro if it connects, which is entirely untrue when you combine what I just established with the fact that Kimmimaro is able to produce bone masks (

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) under his skin capable of casually tanking Gaara's mineral enhanced Sand Funerals, he is more than capable of not just tanking, but regenerating from, Tsunade's strikes, if they even manage to connect.

II.

Spoiler

And now, onto Kimmimaro's offensive capabilities and why they're more than enough to dispose of Tsunade.

As I previously stated in my opener, Kimmimaro is not only more than adept in healing and the defensive, he can easily take on many opponents in the offensive. Let us establish why Tsunade is subsequently taken down by him.​

I. Reflexes, Counters, Speed, and the Like

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Kimmimaro is undoubtedly not one to be taken lightly in the speed and reflexes department.

Uzumaki Naruto's KN0 clones were the first to be made a complete mockery of by him singlehandedly [

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]. "That's not much of a feat, seeing as Naruto's Taijutsu wasn't the best at that point," one may argue, and that statement does hold some validity. At least, it would have if Kimmimaro hadn't later proven himself versus much more skilled opponents.

Enter, Rock Lee: the being capable of blitzing past Gaara's sand defenses. The person that wasn't able to land a hit on Kimmimaro [

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]. Following Lee's blitz, Kimmimaro noted that Lee's style was

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. Rock Lee, the person who was able to challenge Gaara's ultimate defense and was one of Konoha's best Taijutsu specialists, was neither fast nor skillful enough to strike him in his base state. To think that Tsunade, a person with not even as many speed or reaction feats as P1 Lee would be able to is bordering plain idiocy.

Oh, and believe me, he was just getting started.

Shikotsumyaku's defensive properties are as fearful as its offensive. As previously noted, his bones are

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as well as incredibly sharp; striking one head on while both forces are being applied significant momentum would cause an incredible amount of damage to the attacker - and considering he was able to

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and Drunken Lee [

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] as well as

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, Tsunade is even less of a problem for him. Kimmimaro's style revolves around his opponent, between his ability to counter, his speed, and his outright offensive capabilities.​

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I await your counter.​

 

[Yolobito Swagchiha]

Lol, I could have sworn you were male, Akasuna.

Anyway; this debate looks interesting. I'll definitely be watching.

 

[Adobo]

I.

Spoiler

Allow me to preface my argument by establishing that Kimmimaro's ability of self-healing is truly extraordinary.

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As both my opponent and I know, medics - or in a less concentrated term, those with the ability to perform medical ninjutsu and the like - are taken in high regard on the battlefield given their ability to assist themselves and their allies; as such, their first priority is generally evasion so as to predict the specific skillset that they entail. Even moreso, there are very few accomplished medics that are capable of taking care of themselves both offensively and defensively in a makeshift one v. one on the front lines. In fact, I can list only a handful of fighters that are equal in offensive prowess to defensive, and vice versa.

One of those fighters is a single Kaguya Kimmimaro, who I believe to be quite possibly the third best healer in the manga, bar Kabuto and Hashirama.

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"Impossible," you scoff with an air of disbelief, "Kimmimaro barely breaks the top five of healers." Allow me to explain my thought process behind the matter, by comparing Kimmimaro's healing processes to the processes of Kabuto and Tsunade herself.​

a. Yakushi Kabuto - In'yu Shometsu

Spoiler

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---

As Kabuto himself describes in the above scan, his specialized form of healing relies on him collecting chakra before the attack where he presumes the attack will land, and then using said chakra to begin regeneration immediately after; anticipation and recovery.

In the bottom right panel, however, he laments that said technique requires a very large amount of chakra, and as such it's not very effective for multiple uses.

I'd like to point out something important here, however, and something that is key to the usefulness of this technique; not once did Kabuto use a handseal in preparation for it.​

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What puts Kimmimaro above Kabuto in terms of healing? Chakra values.

Not only does Kimmimaro posses feats that speak of notable superiority to Kabuto's in terms of chakra levels and stamina (utterly obliterating hundreds of KN0 clones, defeating Lee, fighting and defending against Gaara, all while quite literally on his deathbed), as well as the ability of healing without handseals, the healing properties of his Shikotsumyaku take notably little chakra.​

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b. Senjuu Tsunade - Byakugo no Jutsu

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In her initial description of the Byakugo no Jutsu, Tsunade made a conscious effort to make clear the fact that it's a regeneration jutsu. She utilized chakra stored in the seal on her forehead, and when released said seal utilizes the chakra to exponentially increase the regeneration process. However, this power also comes with a very hefty price tag: the Hayflick Limit, which limits the amount of times the common cell can go through mitosis.
​

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As we've already seen, in addition to the long term damage this healing technique does, the Byakugo no Jutsu takes immediate effect on Tsunade's body upon it being released, leaving her open for attack immediately afterwards [

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-

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].

Allow me to use this paragraph from Dr. Proof (and to him I give many thanks, for his analysis on the matter of Kimmimaro's healing assisted me) to end this section of my opener.​

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Why have I gone in depth as I have? Well, to prove that Kimmimaro's healing is the closest to instant in the entire manga. I've seen many a fallacious statement by those who believe that a single punch from Tsunade is enough to end Kimmimaro if it connects, which is entirely untrue when you combine what I just established with the fact that Kimmimaro is able to produce bone masks (

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) under his skin capable of casually tanking Gaara's mineral enhanced Sand Funerals, he is more than capable of not just tanking, but regenerating from, Tsunade's strikes, if they even manage to connect.

Excellent introduction. I only have two quarrel's with this; which I will address below.

What puts Kimmimaro above Kabuto in terms of healing? Chakra values.

Not only does Kimmimaro posses feats that speak of notable superiority to Kabuto's in terms of chakra levels and stamina (utterly obliterating hundreds of KN0 clones, defeating Lee, fighting and defending against Gaara, all while quite literally on his deathbed), as well as the ability of healing without handseals, the healing properties of his Shikotsumyaku take notably little chakra.​

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Do keep in mind Kabuto even with the aid of a soldier pill, (

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) which boosted his chakra levels significantly; wasn't able to fully heal from Naruto's rasengan. This was due to the amount of chakra required to heal such an amount of damage. Yes, it can be said that Kimimaro's passive ability to heal himself takes less amount of chakra then Kabuto's... However, the amount of damage he would be recieving if any of Tsunade's hits connect, would be substantially more then anything he has recovered from thus far in the manga.

I bring this up because this'll more then likely be a drawn out battle of attrition; in which case, I believe it's worth mentioning Tsunade's monstrous chakra reserves. Being able to first summon a bijuu sized summoning in Katsuyu, then proceeding to heal an entire village with her chakra alone [

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] isn't feat that can be replicated by many. Especially when it takes quite the amount of chakra to heal a single person, as I just established above.

In addition, in order to get a better look at Tsunades chakra capacity; I present to you her war-arc stamina feats.

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  [*]Tsunade enters the battlefield after surving the transfer technique which was supposed to split her in pieces and activates the Creation Rebirth and heals herself [
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  [*]She immediately proceeds to heal both Gaara and Onoki [
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  [*]Heals Mei [
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  [*]Activates Byakugou and begins her assault on Madara with CES [
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  [*]Gets impailed through her entire abdomin [
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  ], heals, then immediately gets blasted by Yasaka Magatmas from point blank range [
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  [*]Then having to actively fight 5 of Madaras Mokuton Bunshins, which were using Susano'o, for up to 10 off panel chapters [
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  ] while getting impailed by two more Susano'o swords through the absomin, and healing. This is extreme fatigue.
  
  

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  You'd think she'd be done by now right? Not quite.
  
  

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  [*]She then enhanced Onoki's Jinton (who admits he didn't have much chakra left) to such an extreme level, it took out all of the Susano'o clones in a single swoop. [
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  [*]And to top that all off, Tsunade purposely took a direct hit from Madaras Katon [
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In terms of stamina, Kimimaro isn't even close to being in Tsunades league. Clearly. And doesn't stand a single chance in hell in outlasting her; even if his method of healing requires less amount of chakra. This is a fight between two medics, who do not possess a sure-shot way to quickly end their opponent and completely bypass their respective healing capabilities. Therefore, stamina will play a major factor in deciding who comes out on top. And unfortunately, for Kimimaro, he is facing a chakra beast.

As we've already seen, in addition to the long term damage this healing technique does, the Byakugo no Jutsu takes immediate effect on Tsunade's body upon it being released, leaving her open for attack immediately afterwards [

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].

This only occurs when she is depleted of chakra.

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II.

Spoiler

And now, onto Kimmimaro's offensive capabilities and why they're more than enough to dispose of Tsunade.

As I previously stated in my opener, Kimmimaro is not only more than adept in healing and the defensive, he can easily take on many opponents in the offensive. Let us establish why Tsunade is subsequently taken down by him.​

I. Reflexes, Counters, Speed, and the Like

Spoiler

Kimmimaro is undoubtedly not one to be taken lightly in the speed and reflexes department.

Uzumaki Naruto's KN0 clones were the first to be made a complete mockery of by him singlehandedly [

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-

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-

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]. "That's not much of a feat, seeing as Naruto's Taijutsu wasn't the best at that point," one may argue, and that statement does hold some validity. At least, it would have if Kimmimaro hadn't later proven himself versus much more skilled opponents.

Enter, Rock Lee: the being capable of blitzing past Gaara's sand defenses. The person that wasn't able to land a hit on Kimmimaro [

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-

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]. Following Lee's blitz, Kimmimaro noted that Lee's style was

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. Rock Lee, the person who was able to challenge Gaara's ultimate defense and was one of Konoha's best Taijutsu specialists, was neither fast nor skillful enough to strike him in his base state. To think that Tsunade, a person with not even as many speed or reaction feats as P1 Lee would be able to is bordering plain idiocy.

Oh, and believe me, he was just getting started.

Shikotsumyaku's defensive properties are as fearful as its offensive. As previously noted, his bones are

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as well as incredibly sharp; striking one head on while both forces are being applied significant momentum would cause an incredible amount of damage to the attacker - and considering he was able to

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and Drunken Lee [

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-

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] as well as

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, Tsunade is even less of a problem for him. Kimmimaro's style revolves around his opponent, between his ability to counter, his speed, and his outright offensive capabilities.​

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I await your counter.

Despite the fact that Tsunade can't possibly be much slower then a Rock Lee that was still recovering from major surgery; Tsunade is more skilled then Lee's part one self in the taijutsu department. I mean, this should be fairly obvious, even the Databook supports this. Admittedly, Kimimaro's CQC prowess will pose a bit of a problem for Tsunade... but any thought of him avoiding every single punch and kick Tsunade throws at him for the whole duration of the fight is pure ridiculousness. Regardless of that, Tsunade is equipped with methods to force connection with Kimimaro.

1. Smashing the ground.
   
   The most generic and overrused tactic, yes, but it's a useful one nonetheless. By doing this, Kimimaro, who appears to dance around his opponents in CQC (requiring precise footwork) can easily lose his step or balance and slip just a little bit, allowing Tsunade to hulk smash him.
   
   
2. Grappling on Kimimaro.
   
   In the imminent event that Kimimaro stabs Tsunade; she can very easily seize this opportunity and grapple on whatever bone that she was impailed with, restricting any movement for Kimimaro, and haymaker punch him that way. Better yet, Tsunade can utilize Ranshinshō. A single touch will send electrical signals throughout Kimimaro's nervous system and deranging any body control. This followed up with a series of punches/kicks will surely end Kimimaro.
   
   
3. Katsuyu
   
   If Tsunade really feels the need to, she can always summon Katsuyu for reinforcement. The role this sluggish mollusk will play is overwhelming by numbers. By splitting several times into smaller Katsuyus of
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   size (Note* Katsuyu at this size is still able to produce enough acid to kill Orochimaru, stated himself) they can deploy themselves around Kimimaro; pinning him in a circle. Next course of action would be simultaneously spitting acid at Kimimaro from all directions. This'll give Kimi no other option but to jump up in the air to avoid it... allowing Tsunade to then make her mid-air assault, given the fact that Kimimaro can no longer dodge wants he goes airborne. Tsunade proceeds to batista bomb Kimimaro or alternatively utilized Ranshinshō. Kimimaro isn't surviving a series of Tsunades punches followed by a pool of acid.
   

This will conclude my first post.

 

[Wabisuke]

Kim Possible

 

[Tsunade123]

He would still lose.... You know she was suppouse to take all 5 pains down right stated in a interview plus kimmaro was beaten by children.... Did you not see how many hits she got on madara basically it was her and ohnokio the only ones fighting. The only reason oro is even alive after his fight is because he had extra skin so one hit kimmaro would be dead even Kishi stated it's hard putting tsunade in fights because she's so strong which is why he didn't allow her to fight all the pains plus she could easily take out the one that absorbs power (damn that would have been an awesome battle) but yea kimmaro would have taken a serious l

 

[Akasuna]

Do keep in mind Kabuto even with the aid of a soldier pill, (

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) which boosted his chakra levels significantly; wasn't able to fully heal from Naruto's rasengan. This was due to the amount of chakra required to heal such an amount of damage. Yes, it can be said that Kimimaro's passive ability to heal himself takes less amount of chakra then Kabuto's... However, the amount of damage he would be recieving if any of Tsunade's hits connect, would be substantially more then anything he has recovered from thus far in the manga.

Rasengan deals internal damage as well, as one can see from the damage that it did to the

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. It's a completely different kind of attack from Tsunade's form of combat, focused around blunt trauma; quite literally like comparing Jyuuken to Gouken.

Just a few months prior, Gaara's un-enhanced Sand Funerals were

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. Said attack, with even increased damage due to the fact that the sand was enhanced by minerals, didn't even manage to dent Kimmimaro's layer of compressed bone he formed instantly under his skin [

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Allow me to use a percentage. Let's say that, for instance, a punch from Tsunade connects. That punch is, from follow-through, at 100% power. It connects with a

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, bringing it down by 30% power before it even reaches Kimmimaro's body. From there it hits his skin, reinforced by bone masks solid as steel, bringing the power down by another 40-50%. And that's not even considering if he has CM2 active and as such its incredible durability [

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], which would near nullify the power of the punch unless it hits completely head on with Byakugo active. Which isn't going to happen.​

In terms of stamina, Kimimaro isn't even close to being in Tsunades league. Clearly. And doesn't stand a single chance in hell in outlasting her; even if his method of healing requires less amount of chakra. This is a fight between two medics, who do not possess a sure-shot way to quickly end their opponent and completely bypass their respective healing capabilities. Therefore, stamina will play a major factor in deciding who comes out on top. And unfortunately, for Kimimaro, he is facing a chakra beast.

I am not in any form or fashion trying to slight Tsunade's admittedly very impressive stamina feats. I would like to point out, however, that it takes a significant amount of chakra for her to recover from major injuries, such as when she was impaled by Orochimaru's Kusanagi. I'd also like to point out the fact that while even normal humans can survive bisection, nothing can survive an attack that completely pulverizes the brain. Kimmimaro has more than enough firepower to pierce the brain.

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Despite the fact that Tsunade can't possibly be much slower then a Rock Lee that was still recovering from major surgery; Tsunade is more skilled then Lee's part one self in the taijutsu department. I mean, this should be fairly obvious, even the Databook supports this. Admittedly, Kimimaro's CQC prowess will pose a bit of a problem for Tsunade... but any thought of him avoiding every single punch and kick Tsunade throws at him for the whole duration of the fight is pure ridiculousness. Regardless of that, Tsunade is equipped with methods to force connection with Kimimaro.

Underlined is another flaw that I've seen many Tsunade fans state. Tsunade is not more skilled than Lee, who learned directly under the best Taijutsu master in all of Konoha, considered to be a master at the age of thirteen. Is Tsunade stronger than Lee, indeed, but more skilled? That is a definite and complete no. And seeing how Kimmimaro was absolutely manhandling Lee to the point where he didn't even get hit until Lee entered his drunken state, I think it safe to say that he will be capable of doing the same to Tsunade.

Utter worst case scenario, however, the first part of my introduction was to display how even if Kimmimaro doesn't evade each and every one of Tsunade's strikes, he is more than capable of tanking multiple strikes from her.​

The most generic and overrused tactic, yes, but it's a useful one nonetheless. By doing this, Kimimaro, who appears to dance around his opponents in CQC (requiring precise footwork) can easily lose his step or balance and slip just a little bit, allowing Tsunade to hulk smash him.

She's not throwing off Kimmimaro's footwork to the point where he is caught completely off guard, when he's shown the ability to regain his bearing from an opponent with the geographical advantage incredibly quickly [

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], and even from

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. While her gaze is down, it will leave her open for a blow to the head from his fingertip bones, which were capable of penetrating relatively deep into Gaara's automatic defense.​

In the imminent event that Kimimaro stabs Tsunade; she can very easily seize this opportunity and grapple on whatever bone that she was impailed with, restricting any movement for Kimimaro, and haymaker punch him that way. Better yet, Tsunade can utilize Ranshinshō. A single touch will send electrical signals throughout Kimimaro's nervous system and deranging any body control. This followed up with a series of punches/kicks will surely end Kimimaro.

Grappling with an opponent that is capable of extending their bones at will is

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, and will most likely be more profitable for Kimmimaro than for Tsunade.

I don't see her being capable of striking the back of Kimmimaro's neck with preciseness (and before you claim that it's not necessary for her to strike the back of his neck, don't you think it odd that Tsunade specifically went for one of the body's most important nervous systems when she could have struck anywhere on Kabuto's body) when, as I just stated, he can forcefully extend his bones and impale her more.​

If Tsunade really feels the need to, she can always summon Katsuyu for reinforcement. The role this sluggish mollusk will play is overwhelming by numbers. By splitting several times into smaller Katsuyus of this size (Note* Katsuyu at this size is still able to produce enough acid to kill Orochimaru, stated himself) they can deploy themselves around Kimimaro; pinning him in a circle. Next course of action would be simultaneously spitting acid at Kimimaro from all directions. This'll give Kimi no other option but to jump up in the air to avoid it... allowing Tsunade to then make her mid-air assault, given the fact that Kimimaro can no longer dodge wants he goes airborne. Tsunade proceeds to batista bomb Kimimaro or alternatively utilized Ranshinshō. Kimimaro isn't surviving a series of Tsunades punches followed by a pool of acid.

I don't see Kimmimaro allowing himself to be surrounded, but even still in the worst case scenario his obvious counter to Katsuyu is

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. If not that, considering your proposed strategy, he impales Tsunade while they're both in the air. Simple as that.

I suppose I too shall post a shortened list of ways Kimmimaro can dispose of Tsunade effectively.

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  [*=1]1. Keeping her occupied in CQC. Orochimaru himself stated that Kimmimaro's bones, when used offensively, were
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  . Even if that may be partly hype,
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  . Unfortunately for her, Kimmimaro will be continously forcing her into a
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  , and I daresay she doesn't have the speed nor reactions to continuously block his assault. By some point he's going to impale her brain or
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  , and from there it's game over.
  [*=1]2. Tessenka no Mae. If Kimmimaro desires, he can launch straight into this attack, to which Tsunade has no suitable defense that rivals that of Gaara's Ultimately Hard Defense of Shukaku. If this attack lands anywhere near her neck area, it will undoubtedly be the complete and utter end for her, no matter if she has Byakugo active or not.
  [*=1]3. Simply crushing her in CM2. Tsunade truly has absolutely no counter to Kimmimaro's CM2. Not only does it give him strength to pretty near rival hers [
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  ] to completely tank her strikes, it gives him another weapon capable of obliterating her skull in his tail and fists, the former of which capable of knocking Lee a sizeable distance away even through Gaara's sand defense, and the latter of which capable of not only smashing easily through Gaara's ultimate defense enhanced by minerals, but also cracking away at his sand armor. And that's not even mentioning the
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[Akasuna]

Oh, and I've noticed we require another judge. If anybody would like to volunteer that would be great.

 

[~Sky~]

I'm game for judging.

 

[RedRobin]

Oh, and I've noticed we require another judge. If anybody would like to volunteer that would be great.

I'll do it. JK lol. Nice debate so far.

 

[Joker]

You need another judge? For what?

 

[Curse Mark]

I'll judge. I'd turn the hell up in this debate

 

[Adobo]

My apologies... Got caught up with real life issues.

Rasengan deals internal damage as well, as one can see from the damage that it did to the

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. It's a completely different kind of attack from Tsunade's form of combat, focused around blunt trauma; quite literally like comparing Jyuuken to Gouken.

Just a few months prior, Gaara's un-enhanced Sand Funerals were

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. Said attack, with even increased damage due to the fact that the sand was enhanced by minerals, didn't even manage to dent Kimmimaro's layer of compressed bone he formed instantly under his skin [

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Allow me to use a percentage. Let's say that, for instance, a punch from Tsunade connects. That punch is, from follow-through, at 100% power. It connects with a

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, bringing it down by 30% power before it even reaches Kimmimaro's body. From there it hits his skin, reinforced by bone masks solid as steel, bringing the power down by another 40-50%. And that's not even considering if he has CM2 active and as such its incredible durability [

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], which would near nullify the power of the punch unless it hits completely head on with Byakugo active. Which isn't going to happen.​

Regardless of the type of damage rasengan causes; My point was, Tsunade's punch is more lethal then pre-time skip Naruto's rasengan. If a pull powered punch would of landed on Kabuto rather then a rasengan, Kabuto would of been finished. Point blank.

Gaaras grasp of sand shouldn't be made an example of while discussing a hit from Tsunade. The former was laughed at, time and time again by susano'o's defenses, while the latter was at least dealing damage on it. And for the record, that "un-enhanced" sand was actually Gaaras gourd sand. The sand that is already infused with his chakra and thus his strongest, according to the discription of how his sand control works [

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This is a bit of no limit fallacy, don't ya' think? Just because it was able to reduce the impact of Rock Lee's kick doesn't mean it'll do the very same to every single attack. Surely not to a strike carrying a million times more force then Rock Lee's kick. Need I mention how effortlessly susano'o sliced through Kimimaro's bones that were inhanced by Kabuto's sage chakra? [

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]. Tsunade cleanly chopped through Madaras susano'o sword and

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no problem... A few of Kimimaro's thin ribcage bones aren't going to stop the force of her punch/kick to any significant or notable margin. The bone mask may be a formiddable defense, admittedly, but it isn't outlandish to state that Tsunade's super human chakra enhanced strength wouldn't put some hefty damage on it. Furthermore, just because Kimimaro's bone mask was stated to be as hard as steel, doesn't mean it is as durable. Steel would just bend if hit with enough pressure, while bone would completely shatter [

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]. I'll address CM2 further down in my post.

I am not in any form or fashion trying to slight Tsunade's admittedly very impressive stamina feats. I would like to point out, however, that it takes a significant amount of chakra for her to recover from major injuries, such as when she was impaled by Orochimaru's Kusanagi. I'd also like to point out the fact that while even normal humans can survive bisection, nothing can survive an attack that completely pulverizes the brain. Kimmimaro has more than enough firepower to pierce the brain.

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@ bold, yes, let's completely disregard her war-arc feats that I have provided in my previous post pertaining to this.
@ underline, and you don't possibly think Tsunade, someone with such extensive knowledge on the human anatomy isn't concious and weary of this? She's been through wars and lived past her 50's and quite obviously hasn't got head-shotted once... but this is just going to be some easy feat for Kimimaro, correct? In any case, damage confined to such a small area in her brain isn't going to finish her. It would have to be pulverized, not just pierced by a mere bone.

Underlined is another flaw that I've seen many Tsunade fans state. Tsunade is not more skilled than Lee, who learned directly under the best Taijutsu master in all of Konoha, considered to be a master at the age of thirteen. Is Tsunade stronger than Lee, indeed, but more skilled? That is a definite and complete no. And seeing how Kimmimaro was absolutely manhandling Lee to the point where he didn't even get hit until Lee entered his drunken state, I think it safe to say that he will be capable of doing the same to Tsunade.

Utter worst case scenario, however, the first part of my introduction was to display how even if Kimmimaro doesn't evade each and every one of Tsunade's strikes, he is more than capable of tanking multiple strikes from her.​

Databook scores don't support your assertion. Part one Rock Lee is more nimble and light-footed then Tsunade, which is incorporated in his taijutsu nicely... but when it comes to pure expertise, experience, and the ability to make the right decisions in CQC; he isn't on Tsunades level. Again, she has methods of forcing contact.

She's not throwing off Kimmimaro's footwork to the point where he is caught completely off guard, when he's shown the ability to regain his bearing from an opponent with the geographical advantage incredibly quickly [

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. While her gaze is down, it will leave her open for a blow to the head from his fingertip bones, which were capable of penetrating relatively deep into Gaara's automatic defense.​

The purpose is not to catch him off guard, but to throw him off a bit and slow down his movements like so [

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], even just slightly. In CQC, Kimimaro isn't going to be able to move and dance around Tsunade like he normally would when the ground under him is

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disturbed. That's impossible. He will eventually falter and stumble with a single bad step. Of course, this could work against Tsunade as well; but moreso Kimimaro who tends to move around more. Also, Kabuto and Orochimaro had to jump away to avoid the AoE of this attack... Kimimaro would have to do the same if he wishes to fire his fingertip bones accurately; in this case Tsunade is already upright. If Gaaras sand could defend him from point blank range of this attack, it'll be no problem for Tsunade to block or simple dodge it.

Grappling with an opponent that is capable of extending their bones at will is

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, and will most likely be more profitable for Kimmimaro than for Tsunade.

I don't see her being capable of striking the back of Kimmimaro's neck with preciseness (and before you claim that it's not necessary for her to strike the back of his neck, don't you think it odd that Tsunade specifically went for one of the body's most important nervous systems when she could have struck anywhere on Kabuto's body) when, as I just stated, he can forcefully extend his bones and impale her more.​

Really? Because getting stabbed by multiple bones means anything in front of Byakugou? This tactic is far more profitable for Tsunade because it renders Kimimaro's invasions skills useless and leaves him completely susceptible to getting hit by her CES punches or chakra scalpal from point blank range. Not to mention it isn't even rational to state that Kimimaro is capable of utilizing such a tactic while maintaining his bone mask; which envolopes the body with bone, stopping any other bones from emerging.... it's one or the other.

As for BPD, the manga specifically states that Tsunade is able to send electricity into the nervous system; and as you may or may not know, that resides throughout the entire body. Perhaps, the technique works best when aimed at the the top of the spinal cord---I'll give you that much---but there is absolutely nothing to suggest anywhere else wouldn't be suitable to utilize the technique for the very reason I just stated. Kimimaro isn't even close to being as intelligent as Kabuto, so even if Tsunade manages to block communication between Kimi's brain and body just slightly, it will undoubtedly provide openings for her to strike the neck and completely shut him down.

I don't see Kimmimaro allowing himself to be surrounded, but even still in the worst case scenario his obvious counter to Katsuyu is

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. If not that, considering your proposed strategy, he impales Tsunade while they're both in the air. Simple as that.​

There is absolutely nothing Kimimaro can do to stop Katsuyu from doing anything she desires. When the slug splits into the hundreds and disperses everywhere to only quickly rejoin [

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] in a formation around Kimmimaro, he is helpless. Sawarabi no Mae is an inadequate counter and will do nothing but deplete Kimimaro's chakra...

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Impale Tsunade in mid-air as if that makes a difference. In mid-air, Tsunade managed to break off a much larger susano'o sword that she was impaled through the abdomin with, force it out of her body, and swing it back at Rineggan Madara before he was even able to react... [

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]. This is another inadequate counter; Tsunade would have an even easier time replicating this against Kimimaro.



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  [*=1]1. Keeping her occupied in CQC. Orochimaru himself stated that Kimmimaro's bones, when used offensively, were
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  . Unfortunately for her, Kimmimaro will be continously forcing her into a
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  , and I daresay she doesn't have the speed nor reactions to continuously block his assault. By some point he's going to impale her brain or
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  , and from there it's game over.
  [*=1]2. Tessenka no Mae. If Kimmimaro desires, he can launch straight into this attack, to which Tsunade has no suitable defense that rivals that of Gaara's Ultimately Hard Defense of Shukaku. If this attack lands anywhere near her neck area, it will undoubtedly be the complete and utter end for her, no matter if she has Byakugo active or not.
  [*=1]3. Simply crushing her in CM2. Tsunade truly has absolutely no counter to Kimmimaro's CM2. Not only does it give him strength to pretty near rival hers [
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  ] to completely tank her strikes, it gives him another weapon capable of obliterating her skull in his tail and fists, the former of which capable of knocking Lee a sizeable distance away even through Gaara's sand defense, and the latter of which capable of not only smashing easily through Gaara's ultimate defense enhanced by minerals, but also cracking away at his sand armor. And that's not even mentioning the
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  combo - impaled by Sawarabi no Mae, decapitated by Tessenka no Mae.

1) This is disgraceful and careless of you. Kimimaro low diffs Tsunade, I suppose.

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are capable of making him back off and allow Tsunade to punch the ground or do whatever necessary, smh. I hope the judges don't hold it against me, but I do not wish to even waist my time with this one.

2) As mentioned in the beginning of my post, Tsunade understands her vulnerabilities and takes extreme procaution in order to not suffer life-risking injuries:

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She has already dealt with a similar tactic just fine. [

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3) First of all, it should be mentioned that Kimimaro loses some of his speed and nimbleness in this state:
-Couldn't even react to an exhausted and injured base Rock Lee-

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There will be no more dancing around in CQC. Granted, his durability appears to gain a major boost, so it compensates for his loss of speed. On to your strategy though, Sawarabi No Mai being utilized from the service, rather then from underground like in the fight with Gaara, is insanely easy to counter/avoid [

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]) to utilize her CES in her legs and leap above this attack and into safety. I don't believe I need to prove to you how high she is capable of jumping. Or alternatively, she can simply punch the ground to remove the bones out her general area. Her most safest play in this situation, however, would be to summon Katsuyu (If she hasn't already) and take shelter on top of her, standing probably like 40+ meters above the ground. Even in his CM2 state, Kimimaro still possesses absolutely no counter to Katsuyu; who can withstand literally everything he throws at her. With his loss of speed, avoiding Katsuyu's acid shot becomes all the more difficult; which should still deal some significant damage; especially in addition to Tsunade's strikes, if hit. Kimimaro either falls to a series of acid+CES hit combo or from chakra exhaustion.