Counters to GSB
I feel the need to address this, since you seem to think that GSB is nigh invincible and its nothing but wrong
--8-tails whirlwind is the perfect counter for GSB here and with Killer Bee having full intel here, he would immediately resort to thiis technique due to him knowing of GSB absorption abilities,
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, not only that but the
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, and the attack not possessing any chakra oriented ninjutsu properties clearly means that GSB is never absorbing this,
and inb4, ''GSB tanks it'' no, thats wrong again,
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and magnitude are comparable to
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, and took down kisame completely,
with that being said, 8-tails whirlwind does exactly the same as what hirudora did to GSB and takes down kisame
--GSB barely has any absorbing feats at all, despite of kisames statement, which yu are pretty much relying on throughout this debate, which is apparrent due to ur lack of scans,
Firstly,
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(if you notice the bottom right panel), as absorbing something as large as TBB (in terms of chakra) is not only time consuming but also leaves kisame as a sitting duck, as
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that will explode,
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, therefore bee can do the same here,
since GSB clearly wont be able to absorb the TBBs before they explode,
since not only do TBB travel extremely fast, but as shown the barrages of TBB would result in a collision of TBB thus resulting in a larger aftermath which eradicate GSB along with kisame,
--GSB is also not absorbing the
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, as Bee doesnt havee to aim right towards GSB, he can aim at a further location, andd Kisame would still be affected due their vast AOE, moreover the TBB explosions are not chakra oriented, they are simply the aftermath/shock of the explosion that are caused due to the TBB landing in contact with an object,
--So in summary bee has several ways to counter the GSB, they are as follows:
1. He can use the 8-tails whirlwind which is the first method bee would use, and would be able to get rid of GSB
it is also the best method, which you really have stated no methods for
2. He can use the barrages of TBB that would not only explode before GSB absorbs them, but would also kill kisame along with them
3. He doesnt have to aim the TBB right at GSB, as Killer Bee can aim them at a further location and Kisame is bound to be severely hurt by them, due to their vast AOE,
4. GSB still has a rate of absorption as shown, and with GSB taking a long time to absorb something as big as only one TBB, it is not absorbing the barrages of TBB since the TBB would not only travel faster than GSB's absorption rate but would also result in a larger explosion that would kill kisame
Difference between Preata and GSB.
Preta works slightly different than GSB. Preta path absorbs chakra yes but it doesn't increase it's absorbing size and radius the more chakra it absorbs also it can easily be overwhelm if taken by multiple huge chakra based attacks.
I say this because the larger the target the longer it takes to absorb. Take a look here Preta and Samehada absorbing the same thing.(I know GSB doesn't involve Samehada but there absorbing properties are pretty similar). (
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@Bold - you have just stated that Preta and Samehada have similar absorption abilities, yet you are trying to explain GSB here, when both the jutsus are completely different, and GSB barely has any feats of absorption
you admitting to the fact that GSB and Samehada share similar absorption abilities simply means that GSB is not absorbing more than 6 tails worth of V1 chakra shroud,
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, as Kisame himself stated that
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TBB by ur way of understanding would be well out of GSB's limits,
not to mention that GSB also has an absorption rate, which is clearly slower than the distance that the TBB would travel and
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furthermore preta and Samehada are not the same, preta shits on samehada in terms of absorption and versatility
preta is a
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which is why the preta along with the caster are pretty much unfazed by the jutsus effect,
samehada on the other hand is a physical being, which is why it was
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as the flames were still there but simply repelled away from bee and naruto
however
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, and the flames were not apparrent at all,
not to mention that
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as opposed to samehada that not only failed to absorb the entire chakra but their impact
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with that being said,
Pretas feats of absorption and versatility is on a much higher level than samehada
Both arsorb Bee's chakra but the difference is Preta took a longer time while Kisame absorbing techs just took it all at once even though it didn't absorb the full chakra unlike Preta path.
Now imagine if Samehada was like GSB it would not only have took it all at once but instantly since it doesn't take time absorbing chakra it would have got huge thus increase it's size and absorbing power. This is not a pure specalation either Samehada got bigger and grew a mouth for better absorbing ability. Also Samehada first time getting so large because it's opponent have an huge chakra pool.(
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).With all this being stated it means that
GSB would absorb the Bijuudama's while there in there smaller form almost instantly and increasing it's size with size comes more absorbtion ability as i've explained above.
This post is pure speculation and misinterpretation of the manga,
1.
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, whereas
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so ur calculation of rate of absorption is nothing but wrong and inaccurate, since the amount of chakra absorbed is clearly different
2. Samehada is not GSB, you state that GSB=/=Samehada when it comes to samehadas limits of V1 6-tails, but then you are claiming that ''GSB is like samehada'' but can absorb a TBB, Lol this is nothing but pure speculation since you have no scans regarding GSB at all, let alone absorbing something as large as TBB,
all you are relying on is a mere statement by kisame, which is clearly not backed up by any feats,
3. GSB clearly has an absorption rate as i have stated above, as nothing in kisames arsenal can absorb something as large as TBB instantly that pure BS, not to mention that you claiming that GSB is like Samehada makes ur post even funnier,
Also Bijuudama's exploding is non-likly but lets say it does. There explosion is nothing but chakra confirmed when Juubito TSB's took no damage from 4 Juubidama's.(
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). Ill show even more evidence that Tailed beast balls are nothing but raw chakra in the explosion. Juubito's TSB tanked that Juubidama but yet some of them shatted when they were hit by a Susanoo arrow in an uncharged Bijuudama.(
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). Unless you think that that attack magnitude> A Juubidama's. So basically even if they go off there still nothing but GSB steroids.
This doesnt prove anything, and again its wrong, especially since TSB =/= Samehada and GSB
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, therefore his TSB negated the TBB not the explosion, meaning that yu havnt proven anything at all ,
and i dont see why you are bringing up juubito here, its completely irrelevant and its obvious that juubito >>>>>>>>>>>>>> kisame
Pretty good summary but i shitted on most of the points you made in my opener not to mention my GSB and Preta opener for this as well.
@Bold - honeslty thats all u needed to say, ur points are purely based on speculation and are mostly wrong,
to a point where i had to make an opener specifically based on how killer bee counters GSB, wins the match, and why the "no-limits-fallacy'' is used to a ridiculous extent,
Yea your right he did notice it but it was late notice and he still managed to duck it.
Late notice or not, killer bee still landed lethal blows on him despite his chakra getting absorbed, despite him having no intel at all, despite him being nerfed to not using the hachibi, and despite him being limited due to the company of sabu and the racoon
Actually they didn't make contact Sabu confirms that Kisame blade can absorb chakra before any contact is made.(
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). Countered the rest of this post above.
No,
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, meaning that the sword prevented kisame from getting pierced,
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samehadas charka absorption rate is extremely limited to the distance, and is not absorbing chakra of an entity more than 5 metres away
Actually long range would benefit Kisame. Tbb barrages are useless because Kisame can travel underground via Subterranean Voyage A technique that transforms the earth surrounding the user into a fluid, allowing them to close in on the enemy with high speed by swimming underground. Since being under the ground is a blind spot, the target has no warning; allowing the user to launch a surprise attack. By using this technique in conjunction with a weapon, it also gains great effect as an "assault ninjutsu". Hachibi's speed is poor since it can't even walk so landing a direct blow on Kisame is not happening. When Kisame gets out of Hachibi's line of sight via Subterranean Voyage he does GCW to give him the natural advantage.
Thats good and all,
but these attacks are still meaningless against hachibi,
the fact that kisame still has to appear out of underground in-order to attack allows hachibi to fire off the TBB and finish him right there,
Hachibi also doesnt need to be able to walk, since its
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, as kisame is sufferring a much worst fate here, not to mention that one blow would then allow the hachibi to fire off the TBB and finish kisame off,
GCW is utmost non factor since not only can hachibi swim perfectly under water, but it is also just a suiton, and still doesnt prevent kisame from TBB once he comes out of underground meaning that at a long range distance he is done for, especially when the hachibi can form these barrrages quite fast
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seeing how it didnt want to cut base bees chakra,
full hachibis chakra would make it turn against kisame rather quickly
Hachibi tanking it's own Bijuudama means nothing to Kisame because most of his attacks are cutting force which is Hachibi's weakness. Cutting/Pierceing force>Blunt/Trauma force. Gai EE which is very devastating could pierce Juubi Jin Madara's body but Sasuke regular blade did.(
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). Which is more proof that cutting force>Blunt. Yes i believe Kisame can do what the 5tails did because unlike blunt force cutting force doesn't have to have a strong output for a good input.
Then prove to me if you think that samehadas cutting blows are as strong as the 5-tails horns,
i am well aware that cutting force =/= explosive damage,
however the TBB was in referrence to hachibis BODY durability, which you still consider weak
he can simply reform his tentacles whenver he needs to and his tails, span more than enough distance to hit kisame at least once, as the latter is clearly not renowned for his speed,
and the hachibi managed to cover his body from amaterasu through his tentacles,
Just because the chains restrain there chakra does not mean there tougher than the average Kunai. Actually Kisame can go underground and hit him with a surprise GSB to the back. Hirudora is pure blunt force that's why. 8tails whirlwind is not getting rid of GSB it would probably tumble it over and throw it around but i doubt that would stop the attack since it took a giant Hirodora straight through it mouth.
The chains completely bind the bijuus chakra and leave them immobilised,
which was mainly how
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a kunai is no where near as strong, you should read the manga proprely if you think that kunais are as strong as the mazos chains
8-tails whirlwind is just as strong as hirudora, i have shown u several scans as to why thats the case, and the whirlwind is also similar to hirudora in terms of effect,
GSB wont tumble or throw over,, the jutsu is succumbed and kisame is dying thats all thats happening
moreover GSB didnt take hirudora, the latter completely triumphed over it, thus causing kisame to get taken out
Morning Peacock is fire and when fire meets water they completely match each other out that's why i said the 1000k feeding sharks combo-ed by GSB would do the trick.
Lol no, When water meets fire, the fire gets extinguished, its simple
a suiton would always emerge victorious when stacked against it, unless a katon is S-class, and a suiton is D-rank,
Actually they do tbb's are small if there uncharge especially if there in ball form.(
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). The size these things are GSB would suck them dry before they even had time to explode. Actually it's not a no limit fallacy because GSB gets bigger the more chakra it absorbs unlike Preta which takes a considerable amount of time to absorb things that has no where near the chakra of a tbb. I already explained this trying to stop GSB is like trying to drown a fire in gasoline expecting it to put it out.What stomps Kisame from making clones and using multiple GSB's? His water clones may only carry 10% of his chakra but that's still alot since His chakra is compared to Kurama/Naruto.(
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Actually it doesnt matter if TBB's are small, GSB is not absorbing them instantly and thats that, meaning that the other 4 or so TBB would collide with each other before GSB is finished with even absorbing one, and the collision would result in kisame dying its as simple as that,
and yes it is a no-limits fallacy, since not only does GSB lacks the feats to be able to absorb something as large as TBB but its also logically impossible, not to mention that killer bee doesnt have to aim them riight towards GSB and can aim them slightly away as kisame woould still get affected by their large AOE,
moreover claiming that GSB absorbs something as large as chakra dense as TBB instantly is also severely wrong, and the fact that GSB barely has any feats makes this very tough for kisame to win
