[DEBATE] Gold and Silver Brothers vs. EMS Madara (EjBlack vs. Dimitri Rascalov)

[muffinsnatcher]

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[Beans2]

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[Bronze]

No that was ropes aura[1 and 2(clarification)]. KinGin calls on the soul by command[3] "Write em up, Rope".

Which now my rebuttal goes right back to my premise: "Since Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra, this is as much as touching the character's body." The body and spirit is what molding the chakra. Sussanoo is leeching his life. The rope should be able to recognize that.

First of all, Susanoo is not the user's body nor it has a spirit. If its the user's body, that would mean Susanoo taking a hit would happen to the user. That was never shown, never implied. Susanoo is an entity that defends the user. Second of all, it has no spirit as it's merely Chakra form. In other words, rope is not going to do anything when it touches Susanoo. It's not also like Madara will need Susanoo if they engage him to touch him via rope. Darui was able to cut off Kinkaku's arm effortlessly. With them coming at him using combat, they will have their limbs removed. How?

• Gunbai was slicing Shinju's roots: [
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• Kama can slice them with its edge.
• Sword can do the job: [
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They have no possible way of physically touching Madara.​

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I'm pretty sure I didn't otherwise I wouldn't state Gold using Kurama's chakra to further support more firearm, since they need it. Susanoo should be strong enough to smash away its arms, I agree, but he still should be able to get close, and land Rope.

My premise was supported with Bashomon's elements. Meaning he isn't attempting to charge fire the Bomb when he will be releasing and element first. So Yasaka Magatama will be targeting an element.

I addressed your rope argument above.

Anytime they try to charge with TBB, Yasaka Magatama will do what I explained it will.​

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The Raiton size is about the width of Susanoo's chest, A lightening strike should be able to push away the level Susanoo in these condition, as much as Mei's water dragon. As for legged version, it should at least be able to knock it down. As for your example for tanking lightening, I feel like you just circled a random piece of Susanoo.

I fail to understand your reasoning and why an air pressure isn't able to push away a projectile produce but hard chakra.

Doton has down its mission if you agree that Madara will need to recover if Doton comes down at it like an avalanche.

Bashomon was given the feats of using this Suiton[1]. It is much superior to what Kabuto was able to produce.

The Raiton produced from Juubi was this size: [

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An air pressure from Juubi didn't do the job. Why should I believe the brothers will? You also realize that when Onoki lifted Madara with his Doton to be stroke with Naruto's Odama Rasengan, nothing cracked or pushed Madara's ribcage Susanoo?

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. It wont do much. And with Susanoo's legs, it moves incredibly fast.

Madara's Susanoo has far greater durability and endurance from Sasuke's.​

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The brother are very tight together, if the Bushin is being a hassle then Gold will just help his brother, since the Rope will work on a Clone too[1].

And how are they going to do that while being pressured by the real Madara or Bunshin?​

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The priorities of Sussanoo's cutting ability is much different then Lightening priorities. Sussanoo focuses it cutting ability through its hard dense chakra. Link [4] shows Naruto able to hold on to it, the same cannot be said if its lightening.

The ability to control the direction of its weapon was shown coincidentally when Madara had access to Limbo. So I am going with its feat being Rinnegan.

No, it's not. Sasuke was able to cut off the Shinju's arm. Itachi was able to cut off the 8 Branch. Its cutting ability is the same Raiton. Since Madara was going to pierce through Hachibi's body, it wont have trouble piercing through V2 cloaks. They're vastly inferior in every way than BM.

I have absolutely no idea how you came to the conclusion that Limbo Hengokou was being used there. There was no panel of Madara glancing his eye to call upon Limbo. You have no evidence of this baseless assumption.​

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That feat is only going full BM which the brothers dont have. Edit: I read your scan wrong, this was before BM. I dont see how this scan proves anything either as he was able to use BM right after that scene.

The example was with Bee, needing Chakra directly from his Bijuu. It shows there was limits to how much Chakra he can use. The brothers only have portion of Kurama's Chakra, which is even worse.​

 

[Gein]

First of all, Susanoo is not the user's body nor it has a spirit. If its the user's body, that would mean Susanoo taking a hit would happen to the user. That was never shown, never implied. Susanoo is an entity that defends the user. Second of all, it has no spirit as it's merely Chakra form. In other words, rope is not going to do anything when it touches Susanoo. It's not also like Madara will need Susanoo if they engage him to touch him via rope. Darui was able to cut off Kinkaku's arm effortlessly. With them coming at him using combat, they will have their limbs removed. How?

• Gunbai was slicing Shinju's roots: [
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• Kama can slice them with its edge.
• Sword can do the job: [
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  ].

They have no possible way of physically touching Madara.​

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I addressed your rope argument above.

Anytime they try to charge with TBB, Yasaka Magatama will do what I explained it will.​

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The Raiton produced from Juubi was this size: [

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]. None of the brother's Raiton will be on that level. Mei's Jutsu has a sword from the mouth, so it's designed to pierce; meaning it has massive force. Not to mention Madara was the air, so it's easy to push him away.

An air pressure from Juubi didn't do the job. Why should I believe the brothers will? You also realize that when Onoki lifted Madara with his Doton to be stroke with Naruto's Odama Rasengan, nothing cracked or pushed Madara's ribcage Susanoo?

Doton will simply be crushed with

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. It wont do much. And with Susanoo's legs, it moves incredibly fast.

Madara's Susanoo has far greater durability and endurance from Sasuke's.​

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And how are they going to do that while being pressured by the real Madara or Bunshin?[./indent]​

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No, it's not. Sasuke was able to cut off the Shinju's arm. Itachi was able to cut off the 8 Branch. Its cutting ability is the same Raiton. Since Madara was going to pierce through Hachibi's body, it wont have trouble piercing through V2 cloaks. They're vastly inferior in every way than BM.

I have absolutely no idea how you came to the conclusion that Limbo Hengokou was being used there. There was no panel of Madara glancing his eye to call upon Limbo. You have no evidence of this baseless assumption.​

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The example was with Bee, needing Chakra directly from his Bijuu. It shows there was limits to how much Chakra he can use. The brothers only have portion of Kurama's Chakra, which is even worse.​

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/Dimitri Rascalov​

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

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/Dimitri Rascalov

Crawl out of his asshole you fodder.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

First of all, Susanoo is not the user's body nor it has a spirit. If its the user's body, that would mean Susanoo taking a hit would happen to the user. That was never shown, never implied. Susanoo is an entity that defends the user. Second of all, it has no spirit as it's merely Chakra form. In other words, rope is not going to do anything when it touches Susanoo. It's not also like Madara will need Susanoo if they engage him to touch him via rope.

I explained that in order for chakra to mold, it needs the caster's spirit and physical energy. Thats what forms chakra. I explained touching chakra is as much as touching the person physically (more for Susanoo's case). Susanoo is alot different then other jutsu, because this jutsu doesn't leave the body (it can actually, but read the rest of my sentence). It stays connected with the users chakra and drains the users life. It doesn't have to mean Susanoo taking a hit would happen to the user since chakra being mold is being substituted, not the user. Susanoo users start out with its Inton aura as it foundation[

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Darui was able to cut off Kinkaku's arm effortlessly. With them coming at him using combat, they will have their limbs removed. How?

Thats because they thought Darui gave up, when he had his team hostage[

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]. He wasn't caution to attack him properly.

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• Kama can slice them with its edge.
• Sword can do the job: [
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They have no possible way of physically touching Madara.[/indent][/FONT]

If Madara was successful of doing this, assuming my characters aren't using any of Kurama's protection version, Kinkaku canonically even kicks his own limb to still land the ropes attack[

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Anyway, Kurama repels these attacks[

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Anytime they try to charge with TBB, Yasaka Magatama will do what I explained it will.[/indent][/FONT]

Still using my element premise to block it so he won't. I like to add that YM CAN ALSO get repel by Kurama cloak tails too, since it happened canon.

The Raiton produced from Juubi was this size: [

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Mei's Jutsu has a sword from the mouth, so it's designed to pierce; meaning it has massive force. Not to mention Madara was the air, so it's easy to push him away.​

Evidence that it hit Madara directly? That jutsu energy output didn't focus on no characters.

Mei has a sword from the mouth, what? I dont know how to respond to this counter.

Madara only did a short hop, backing away from Tsunade's punch to do any further damage to Susanoo. This scan is clear that the Dragon picked him up[

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An air pressure from Juubi didn't do the job. Why should I believe the brothers will? You also realize that when Onoki lifted Madara with his Doton to be stroke with Naruto's Odama Rasengan, nothing cracked or pushed Madara's ribcage Susanoo?

What air pressure? Air current wasn't focus to pressurize and pick anyone up, not even the fodders. So your counters are misleading.

Another counter thats misleading, how can they push Madara when the the combo was meant to crush Madara inbetween?

Doton will simply be crushed with

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. It wont do much. And with Susanoo's legs, it moves incredibly fast.

Madara's Susanoo has far greater durability and endurance from Sasuke's.

I assume that scan was to prove, being able to cut and break down Doton. Thats useless since its millions of pieces coming at you like an avalanche.

He does but if they use Suiton to further smash him into a wall they can temporally have it remove[

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]. The concussive force would succeed better.

And how are they going to do that while being pressured by the real Madara or Bunshin?​

Whats pressuring them? Nothing stop the Gokages to come together to finish off the clones. Brothers superior chemistry, plus Kurama to aid their speed (for spacing) makes this easy. Any clone comes on contact with the rope effects the real Madara (according to that scan I post of Tobirama explaining the link between the users and clone).

Thats not all. If Madara were to come in contact, and his word soul is being puked out, it disrupts your chakra and you can't do anything but temporally evade much as possible.

This was confirmed 4 TIMES:

1. Samui couldn't defend herself[

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2. Atsui couldn't defend himself (and he has ninjutsu feats)[

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3. Darui couldn't do nothing, over just puking out the soul[

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4. And Ginkaku, the caster himself[

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No, it's not. Sasuke was able to cut off the Shinju's arm. Itachi was able to cut off the 8 Branch. Its cutting ability is the same Raiton. Since Madara was going to pierce through Hachibi's body, it wont have trouble piercing through V2 cloaks. They're vastly inferior in every way than BM.​

Sasuke, did that when? Using another Susanoo doesn't prove your right anyway. Again Itachi too, who isn't even using Sussano weapon but another tool.

V2 and cloaks already have the feats that debunks this claim. BM uses their Hide while V2/V1 was explained using the Buijuu's chakra in compress human form.

I have absolutely no idea how you came to the conclusion that Limbo Hengokou was being used there. There was no panel of Madara glancing his eye to call upon Limbo. You have no evidence of this baseless assumption.

I could say the same to what he did to Sasuke (or off screen to Tobirama), so having to say it =/= it happened. It clear that it was able to physically move once again. EMS has no feats to do such.

The example was with Bee, needing Chakra directly from his Bijuu. It shows there was limits to how much Chakra he can use. The brothers only have portion of Kurama's Chakra, which is even worse.​

Then your scan is completely off to prove your point, link me it again, with highlight edit.

The limit Kinkaku showed, made it looks like he can keep going for a long time anyway (the whole 529 chapter). The brothers sealing jutsus would not make this battle go out for Madara to outlast Kurama's chakra. Plus they are blessed with high reserves on top of that too.

 

[Gein]

Crawl out of his asshole you fodder.

Why so butthurt?

Crawl out of your own and experience life

 

[Bronze]

I explained that in order for chakra to mold, it needs the caster's spirit and physical energy. Thats what forms chakra. I explained touching chakra is as much as touching the person physically (more for Susanoo's case). Susanoo is alot different then other jutsu, because this jutsu doesn't leave the body (it can actually, but read the rest of my sentence). It stays connected with the users chakra and drains the users life. It doesn't have to mean Susanoo taking a hit would happen to the user since chakra being mold is being substituted, not the user. Susanoo users start out with its Inton aura as it foundation[1]. As long as the foundation is connected, my premise stays.

You're taking the Chakra mold completely out of context. The caster's energy is formed becomes a deity that protects the caster from harms way. And you're also wrong at the ''doesn't leave the user's body''. [

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] Gaara dragged Madara outside Susanoo, and it only disappeared after he absorbed Rasengan. By your logic, you're saying that:

The kunai that was blocked by Shinra Tensei is supposed to have damaged Nagato. That never happened. [

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]. Shinra Tensei is gravitational formed from the user's Chakra spread at 360 degree. Same thing as Susanoo.

I can bring countless number of examples, but hopefully you get the idea. As I explained, Susanoo is a deity protection. The databook explains this implication:

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Rope touching Susanoo is not going touch Madara. Simple as that.​

Thats because they thought Darui gave up, when he had his team hostage[1]. He wasn't caution to attack him properly.

Irrelevant. It's not like they can react or keep up with Madara's speed, who casually blitzed through SM Naruto. [

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If Madara was successful of doing this, assuming my characters aren't using any of Kurama's protection version, Kinkaku canonically even kicks his own limb to still land the ropes attack[1].

Anyway, Kurama repels these attacks[2]

That is if Kinkaku has any form of pain tolerance to having his own limb removed. And if he kicks it, Madara simply dodges it, or blocks it with his gunabi. He has knowledge on the tools.

KCM didn't protect Naruto from being pierced by Kakashi's kunai. So it won't protect him from the gunbai.​

Still using my element premise to block it so he won't. I like to add that YM CAN ALSO get repel by Kurama cloak tails too, since it happened canon.

No, Yasaka Magatama was never intended on the elements. It was intended if they prepare TBB.​

Evidence that it hit Madara directly? That jutsu energy output didn't focus on no characters.

Mei has a sword from the mouth, what? I dont know how to respond to this counter.

Madara only did a short hop, backing away from Tsunade's punch to do any further damage to Susanoo. This scan is clear that the Dragon picked him up[1]

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What air pressure? Air current wasn't focus to pressurize and pick anyone up, not even the fodders. So your counters are misleading.

Another counter thats misleading, how can they push Madara when the the combo was meant to crush Madara inbetween?

Posted the scan above.

The Rasengan's input force can push Madara right through the Doton. It didn't.​

I assume that scan was to prove, being able to cut and break down Doton. Thats useless since its millions of pieces coming at you like an avalanche.

He does but if they use Suiton to further smash him into a wall they can temporally have it remove[1]. The concussive force would succeed better.

Million pieces? Nice fan-fiction. Susanoo cuts through all of the Doton they produce.

''They'' is incorrect. Only Kinkaku has the fan. And as I said, their Suiton isn't designed to have the force to crush through the enemy's defense. Lel, as if they can equal the input of the combo done by Gokage.​

Whats pressuring them? Nothing stop the Gokages to come together to finish off the clones. Brothers superior chemistry, plus Kurama to aid their speed (for spacing) makes this easy. Any clone comes on contact with the rope effects the real Madara (according to that scan I post of Tobirama explaining the link between the users and clone).

Thats not all. If Madara were to come in contact, and his word soul is being puked out, it disrupts your chakra and you can't do anything but temporally evade much as possible.

This was confirmed 4 TIMES:

1. Samui couldn't defend herself[1]
2. Atsui couldn't defend himself (and he has ninjutsu feats)[2]
3. Darui couldn't do nothing, over just puking out the soul[3] and couldn't defend himself[4]
4. And Ginkaku, the caster himself[5]

You have multiple clones pressuring them who should be capable of using their Susanoo: [

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]. Madara faced the Senju, including Tobirama, the creator of Kage Bunshin. With the Sharingan, he copied it. So he is able to replicate multi-Kage Bunshin. The brothers are in no absolute form superior than the Gokage. Not even close. Kurama's boost isn't giving them spacing. Susanoo covers massive AOE: [

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]. If Madara saw he is not fast enough to catch them inside Susanoo, he will use his foot-speed to catch them and push them back: [

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]. And you're wrong on Tobirama's statement. He was referring to the Chakra connected. The rope only affects the soul, so it has no effect on the real Madara. That would imply swords that Bunshin killed would have killed the original; but that never happened.

Even if they touch Madara physically (which won't happen), you don't know what his favorite word is, so the rope is practically pointless.​

Sasuke, did that when? Using another Susanoo doesn't prove your right anyway. Again Itachi too, who isn't even using Sussano weapon but another tool.

V2 and cloaks already have the feats that debunks this claim. BM uses their Hide while V2/V1 was explained using the Buijuu's chakra in compress human form.

Since

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. Itachi used Totsuka, a weapon his Susanoo to cut objects. No, I used Susanoo as why it has cutting and piercing power. I used it because I can apply to Madara's case, who is himself the stronger Susanoo user, most experienced Susanoo user, and the best Susanoo user.

Where did that happen? It was explained that they need Chakra directly from their Bijuu to achieve this. Killer Bee is the source of this factual information.​

I could say the same to what he did to Sasuke (or off screen to Tobirama), so having to say it =/= it happened. It clear that it was able to physically move once again. EMS has no feats to do such.

No, you can't. You're making fan-fictional assmption which doesn't work here. This is a debate. We're applying facts. You're making an assumption that Limbo was used to guide Susanoo's katana; but there is no panel of Madara glancing his eye. There is no panel that supports this basless claim you're bringing. Unless you show me A DIRECT EVIDENCE FROM THE MANGA, you have nothing. Also, yes, EMS user did manipulate his sword's direction: [

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Then your scan is completely off to prove your point, link me it again, with highlight edit.

The limit Kinkaku showed, made it looks like he can keep going for a long time anyway (the whole 529 chapter). The brothers sealing jutsus would not make this battle go out for Madara to outlast Kurama's chakra. Plus they are blessed with high reserves on top of that too.

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There is also the case with Naruto. He couldn't transform to this

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. He needed Kurama to lend him Chakra.

It doesn't change the fact that they have very limited Chakra of Kurama's. So my point stands.​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You're taking the Chakra mold completely out of context. The caster's energy is formed becomes a deity that protects the caster from harms way. And you're also wrong at the ''doesn't leave the user's body''. [

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] Gaara dragged Madara outside Susanoo, and it only disappeared after he absorbed Rasengan. By your logic, you're saying that:​

I fail to see what I am taking out of context. I never denied anything about the fundamental of Sussano. You also ignored the parentheses agreeing the Susanoo leaving the users body, which I agreed, but wanted you to focus on the bold part.

The kunai that was blocked by Shinra Tensei is supposed to have damaged Nagato. That never happened. [

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]. Shinra Tensei is gravitational formed from the user's Chakra spread at 360 degree. Same thing as Susanoo.

Wrong my logic explains that: According to the ropes statement (of anything it touches) and feat (Aura wraps around the victim to record their soul) the rope's aura will respond to Inton aura. The same Inton that constructs Sussanoo as its foundation.

ST is a repulsive force, it has no connection to the user.

I can bring countless number of examples, but hopefully you get the idea. As I explained, Susanoo is a deity protection. The databook explains this implication:

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You aren't getting any of my idea. All chakra techs you will use as an example are all thats focus to exit out the body. I am not expecting the rope to find and record every chakra that leaves the body and especially ninjutsu base on chakra.

It is built with constant aura around the user. P.S. Unless you think his aura(

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) protects him from the rope's aura too

Rope touching Susanoo is not going touch Madara. Simple as that.

Same premise as above. The rope records anything it touches. The aura from the rope will respond to Madara's aura (which its purpose is to be part of him).

As long as Inton is used to keep Susanoo on tact with the caster, I am sticking with my premise.

Irrelevant. It's not like they can react or keep up with Madara's speed, who casually blitzed through SM Naruto. [

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Your brought the case up and now its irrelevant. It wouldnt matter if they can react to them blitzing them when they are protected with Kurama's chakra.

That is if Kinkaku has any form of pain tolerance to having his own limb removed. And if he kicks it, Madara simply dodges it, or blocks it with his gunabi. He has knowledge on the tools.​

Doubt Madara would expect that after cutting off his arm half at point blank and expecting him to still use it.

KCM didn't protect Naruto from being pierced by Kakashi's kunai. So it won't protect him from the gunbai.

Thats because it was coated in Raiton which focuses on penetration.

No, Yasaka Magatama was never intended on the elements. It was intended if they prepare TBB.​

My premise stated element is use first to protect the TBB, so he has to get through it first.

Even if successful, a chakra tail swaps it away

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? that scan didn't show anything but the aftermath. I guess that feats goes along with fodders with Kurama cloak too.

Thats not a sword... It clearly puked out Madara

All of these is misleading evidence to prove your point against my counter.

Posted the scan above.

The Rasengan's input force can push Madara right through the Doton. It didn't.​

How can you say that when the manga says no, that it didn't input force that can push Madara right through the Doton.

Another misleading evidence to prove your point against my counter.

Million pieces? Nice fan-fiction. Susanoo cuts through all of the Doton they produce.​

Of course it isn't literally, who is going to count all of those piece flying at him[

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''They'' is incorrect. Only Kinkaku has the fan. And as I said, their Suiton isn't designed to have the force to crush through the enemy's defense. Lel, as if they can equal the input of the combo done by Gokage.

Idk why you have to correct my sentence like it changes anything. If anything I should correct you that my premise clearly stated Ginkaku is using the fan. I didn't say anything about crushing. I said it will inflict harm from the sudden force that they exert, just like how it happen to Sasuke. This is much different then the Gokage situation. Mei used her Suiton differently, she used it to eat up Madara to make him vulnerable in the air. So the output is much different.

The fans Suiton will be much bigger then what Kabuto output to Sasuke and since Madara>Sasuke in endurance, that giant Suiton will rival the effects.

You have multiple clones pressuring them who should be capable of using their Susanoo: [

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]. Madara faced the Senju, including Tobirama, the creator of Kage Bunshin. With the Sharingan, he copied it. So he is able to replicate multi-Kage Bunshin. The brothers are in no absolute form superior than the Gokage. Not even close. Kurama's boost isn't giving them spacing. Susanoo covers massive AOE: [

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]. Madara's Susanoo is is extremely fast on its own: [

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]. If Madara saw he is not fast enough to catch them inside Susanoo, he will use his foot-speed to catch them and push them back: [

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]. And you're wrong on Tobirama's statement. He was referring to the Chakra connected. The rope only affects the soul, so it has no effect on the real Madara. That would imply swords that Bunshin killed would have killed the original; but that never happened.​

Multiplying himself, according to my premise, means he is much more people worth touching the Rope. Wtf, I didn't say they were superior then Gokage, your twisting my words. I said they have more chemistry. It near impossible separating unless you warp on away a good distance.

The rope needs to connect to the body in order to get the word soul, which then goes back to my premise. It will effect the real Madara since he is splitting himself.

Even if they touch Madara physically (which won't happen), you don't know what his favorite word is, so the rope is practically pointless.

Me not knowing doesn't change the fact that it will be written on Shichiseiken. So that is pointless to argue.

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. Itachi used Totsuka, a weapon his Susanoo to cut objects. No, I used Susanoo as why it has cutting and piercing power. I used it because I can apply to Madara's case, who is himself the stronger Susanoo user, most experienced Susanoo user, and the best Susanoo user.​

Which is all irrelevant to having the same priorities of lightening.

Susanoo being repealed and blocked by Kurama's chakra was canon

Where did that happen? It was explained that they need Chakra directly from their Bijuu to achieve this. Killer Bee is the source of this factual information.

It happen when Kusanagi couldn't pierce V2, which can logically piece the hide of Buijuu. And Kakashi attempting to slash V2 Buijuu's and only worked when used momentum (which is why Kishimoto explained Raiton is best long range). Or unless you think 5 tails horns are harder then Kusanagi and cut better then Raiton

No, you can't. You're making fan-fictional assmption which doesn't work here. This is a debate. We're applying facts. You're making an assumption that Limbo was used to guide Susanoo's katana; but there is no panel of Madara glancing his eye. There is no panel that supports this basless claim you're bringing. Unless you show me A DIRECT EVIDENCE FROM THE MANGA, you have nothing. Also, yes, EMS user did manipulate his sword's direction: [

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Lmao I am making fan fictional assumptions. You are the one that needs to prove it being not true. And so far you didn't. All you post was Madara shooting the TBB upward. Nice fan fic, its clear the first time he use Susanoo and TBB, and went and only one motion. So nice try.

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Scaned proved nothing once again, the context explain nothing you were using to prove something

There is also the case with Naruto. He couldn't transform to this

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. He needed Kurama to lend him Chakra.

It doesn't change the fact that they have very limited Chakra of Kurama's. So my point stands.

They have high reserves so Madara isn't going to outlast the cloaks before my premise showed Madara getting sealed or TBB combo with Bashosen.

Even then Suiton protect them either way from your premise.

 

[Itachi4life]

lol wtf thread. Madara stomps these fodder neg-low diff at most.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

lol wtf thread. Madara stomps these fodder neg-low diff at most.

Dont spam my thread AC =(

 

[Itachi4life]

Dont spam my thread AC =(

I am not spamming . Just pointing out that this thread is meaningless. Madara ubberstomps these useless fodders with utmost of ease.

 

[Bronze]

Gein is a judge.

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I fail to see what I am taking out of context. I never denied anything about the fundamental of Sussano. You also ignored the parentheses agreeing the Susanoo leaving the users body, which I agreed, but wanted you to focus on the bold part.

It's Chakra is what you're taking out of the context, and completely too literal. As for the bold, the aura focused is the spiritual Chakra itself. Before you take the spiritual Chakra too literal as the caster's spirit, it refers the Yin based techniques, something Uchiha can use. The rope has only bee stated to absorb the soul:

The Kōkinjō (幌金縄; Literally meaning "Golden Canopy Rope") is a thick length of rope. By saying the verbal command "Bind and Draw Out" (しばり出せ, Shibaridase) it is able to draw out the word soul (言霊, kotodama) of anyone the rope has come into contact with, allowing it to then be severed by the Shichiseiken.

As I have already proven and sourced the databook, Susanoo possess no soul to be drawn out, so that renders the rope useless as if it touches Susanoo, nothing will happen.​

Wrong my logic explains that: According to the ropes statement (of anything it touches) and feat (Aura wraps around the victim to record their soul) the rope's aura will respond to Inton aura. The same Inton that constructs Sussanoo as its foundation.

ST is a repulsive force, it has no connection to the user.

Wrong my logic explains that: According to the ropes statement (of anything it touches) and feat (Aura wraps around the victim to record their soul) the rope's aura will respond to Inton aura. The same Inton that constructs Sussanoo as its foundation.

ST is a repulsive force, it has no connection to the user.

Unless you think that Inton is based on soul techniques, then I debunked that. Rope isn't going to do anything to Susanoo, as I have already sourced the databook to prove that Susanoo possess no spirit.

And how do you think the repulsive fource of ST is exactly formed? Through Chakra spreading at 360 degrees: [

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]. The user acts as the center. Exactly like Susanoo and that debunks all of your rope argument.​

You aren't getting any of my idea. All chakra techs you will use as an example are all thats focus to exit out the body. I am not expecting the rope to find and record every chakra that leaves the body and especially ninjutsu base on chakra.

It is built with constant aura around the user. P.S. Unless you think his aura(Inton) protects him from the rope's a

You're the one who thinks Inton is a spirit because it's not. It's first, the abilities based on all techniques uses Yin Chakra specifically. Just like Genjutsu: [

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]. Now, do you think rope is going to absorb Genjutsu? I pray to god that you don't. So all of your rope argument has been addressed above.​

Same premise as above. The rope records anything it touches. The aura from the rope will respond to Madara's aura (which its purpose is to be part of him).

As long as Inton is used to keep Susanoo on tact with the caster, I am sticking with my premise.

I see. So you think aura is the soul itself, lol. Addressed above.​

Your brought the case up and now its irrelevant. It wouldnt matter if they can react to them blitzing them when they are protected with Kurama's chakra.

Your premise was about if they were split up, they would close the distance through speed, and I brought up that Madara's speed will not allow it.​

Doubt Madara would expect that after cutting off his arm half at point blank and expecting him to still use it.

Yes, he would expect it. His Sharingan's insight gives him an incredible insight that can predict future events: [

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], and dodge it or block it. As I also said, that would depend if Kinkaku has pain tolerance to having his limb removed; but there is no evidence of this.​

Thats because it was coated in Raiton which focuses on penetration.

So does Susanoo's sword.​

My premise stated element is use first to protect the TBB, so he has to get through it first.

Even if successful, a chakra tail swaps it away

No, because my premise was specifically targeted at the preparation of TBB. I don't care about the elements. And Chakra tail isn't going to wrap it when preparing TBB.​

? that scan didn't show anything but the aftermath. I guess that feats goes along with fodders with Kurama cloak too.

Thats not a sword... It clearly puked out Madara

All of these is misleading evidence to prove your point against my counter.

No, because you previously said that Juubi's attack didn't focus on Madara or any character; however the scan is shown the cloud dust surrounding Madara and the Shinobi Alliance. Clear indication that it tanked Tenepanchii. Of course fodders with Kurama's cloak tanked it as well.

Are you blind? The sword is manifested from the freaking mouth.

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No, I am not misleading anything. All those points counted every argument you brought to the table.​

How can you say that when the manga says no, that it didn't input force that can push Madara right through the Doton.

Another misleading evidence to prove your point against my counter.

What the hell? Odama Rasengan's input force penetrates through anything that has weaker durability than it. Onoki's Doton would have been destroyed, but Madara's Susanoo's mass was able to contain the force. It is all related to gravity.

The Doton raised Madara above to be hit by Susanoo. With high speed, gravity that's pulling Madara to the center is slowing. Then you have Odama Rasengan acting as a force that along with Onoki's Doton would easily tear apart anything. Madara's ribcage Susanoo tanked the speed as well as force all together. [

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So again, your air pressure argument doesn't work here. You can say every of my post is misleading, it's irrelevant to me as I am presenting logic, reasoning from the manga.​

Of course it isn't literally, who is going to count all of those piece flying at him[1].

That Doton isn't even superior to the defense of Onoki's golem and Gaara's sand that both combined was effortlessly teared by Madara.​

Idk why you have to correct my sentence like it changes anything. If anything I should correct you that my premise clearly stated Ginkaku is using the fan. I didn't say anything about crushing. I said it will inflict harm from the sudden force that they exert, just like how it happen to Sasuke. This is much different then the Gokage situation. Mei used her Suiton differently, she used it to eat up Madara to make him vulnerable in the air. So the output is much different.

The fans Suiton will be much bigger then what Kabuto output to Sasuke and since Madara>Sasuke in endurance, that giant Suiton will rival the effects.

Because you said ''they'', as in both brothers have the fan; but only one does. Then the same will go to Ginkaku, it changes nothing of who has the fan. You seem to misunderstand of the situation between Kabuto and Sasuke.

Sasuke fired off Katon while Kabuto fired Suiton. When you have a dense fire with dense water mix together, it gets boiled and creates a stream that heats up the area. The event between the latter and former is that description. To sum it up, Sasuke couldn't withstand the heat of the stream.

Madara, however has high pain tolerance; so he should be able to withstand the heat.​

Multiplying himself, according to my premise, means he is much more people worth touching the Rope. Wtf, I didn't say they were superior then Gokage, your twisting my words. I said they have more chemistry. It near impossible separating unless you warp on away a good distance.

The rope needs to connect to the body in order to get the word soul, which then goes back to my premise. It will effect the real Madara since he is splitting himself.

In what term of ''chemistry'' you refer to. Actually, it's quite possible and I mentioned it. For even better separation, Madara can use his

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to create a boiling stream that blinds both the brothers. Take it to consideration that Naruto, Sai and Sasuke were all in the same area, but we see Sasuke with his hawk had to cross an incredible distance from where Madara originally was: [

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]. Even Naruto had time to caught up to Madara after the Katon was made. So yes, that method will separate the brothers.

That would mean that kunai killing Bunshin would also result to the original dying; which never happened. You keep avoiding this point.​

Me not knowing doesn't change the fact that it will be written on Shichiseiken. So that is pointless to argue.

And that has not been proven that Madara has a favorite word, so it's pointless.​

Which is all irrelevant to having the same priorities of lightening.

Susanoo being repealed and blocked by Kurama's chakra was canon

Manga says else.

Where?​

It happen when Kusanagi couldn't pierce V2, which can logically piece the hide of Buijuu. And Kakashi attempting to slash V2 Buijuu's and only worked when used momentum (which is why Kishimoto explained Raiton is best long range). Or unless you think 5 tails horns are harder then Kusanagi and cut better then Raiton

Kusanagi has no feats to begin with. It couldn't even pierce Ay's Raiton Armour, who is less durable than Bijuu cloak. It doesn't matter. Cutting feat is applied to Susanoo. Yes, 5 tail's horns are harder because they have feats supporting it.​

Lmao I am making fan fictional assumptions. You are the one that needs to prove it being not true. And so far you didn't. All you post was Madara shooting the TBB upward. Nice fan fic, its clear the first time he use Susanoo and TBB, and went and only one motion. So nice try.

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My proof is based on the fact that there was no panel of Madara glancing his eye to call upon Limbo. Since you're the one who came with fallacious claim, the burden of proof is on you. I don't care about what you assumed happen. I care about what has actually been shown; and so far, Limbo was not used and you didn't prove it, you can't prove it, and you never will prove it. Not sure if you get the idea or not, but I will go in depth.

If the fired TBB-PS's swords were not manipulated, they would have been traveling at straight line: [

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]. They weren't, however. Each of them were fired at specific direction, something can only be achieved through manipulating them. And Madara exactly did that.​

Scaned proved nothing once again, the context explain nothing you were using to prove something

Oh my god. The scan is proving that the Chakra Bee possess from Hachibi is limited, so for him to enter V2 cloak, he needed directly Hachibi's Chakra.​

They have high reserves so Madara isn't going to outlast the cloaks before my premise showed Madara getting sealed or TBB combo with Bashosen.

Even then Suiton protect them either way from your premise.

Their high reserves means shit compared to Madara's reserves. That is adding their Kyuubi limited Chakra portion. Your premise was all countered.

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[MadaraReturns]

Madara wins

 

[Gein]

Not entirely sure If both sides accepts me as a judge.

I simply do not see Rope doing anything to Susanoo.
The elements would do something to Susanoo, but nothing all too noticeable.

Keeping it short unless more is wanted, Dimitri wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I simply do not see Rope doing anything to Susanoo.

Might want to re read my premise. That wasn't my premise of using the Rope to damage or effect Susanoo in any kind of way

 

[Gein]

Might want to re read my premise. That wasn't my premise of using the Rope to damage or effect Susanoo in any kind of way

I mean by touching Susanoo will it absorb Madara's soul word.

I sincerely apologize for the horrible answer, I have real reasons.
However I have been reading it steadily over the past week and will reread in one go and explain in depth if you aren't satisfied.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I mean by touching Susanoo will it absorb Madara's soul word.

I sincerely apologize for the horrible answer, I have real reasons.
However I have been reading it steadily over the past week and will reread in one go and explain in depth if you aren't satisfied.

Well you re phrase it better and understood it so I'll take your word.