Condition: Gold and Silver Bros have Naruto's V1 and V2 feats. They have full control over it and has Kurama as support. The Bashōsen has the element feats that Edo Hiruzen has shown in the Manga.
I originally thought this was going to be a stomp match in favor of Madara.
However, seeing the restrictions and conditions... it looks somewhat more balanced,
although I still think Madara would take this. Good luck to both debaters though.
Although Madara is a common legendary character, KinGin will take precautions by setting up their defense to deal with basic Uchiha's jutsu: Katon and Sharingan. That said, they will know to stay away from focusing eye contact. Worst occasion, they will ask Kurama, whatever portion of it they have, to snapped them out. They will activate V1 cloak to protect them from the flames of Katon.
Kōkinjō
This weapon was stated to respond to any person it made contact with. This [
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] even shows the aura was able to wrap around the target. Since Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra, this is as much as touching the character's body. Further evidence, databook stated
just to show how its continuously operating. But of course that wouldn't matter to a EMS user, but to my point that this chakra manifestation is as close to touching character. So with physical contact, the ropes aura will warp around Susanoo, thus linking to Madara's word soul.
Brothers Combo
Time to switch weapons a bit: Gold will play the offense game, so he will be wielding Shichiseiken and Kōkinjō (so as soon as rope does its job he can immediately be prepared to cut the word soul with Shichiseiken). Silver will play defense game, so he will be wielding Kohaku no Jōhei, to prepare to seal the deal, and Bashōsen (to further support long range with element).
That said, their focus goal is to catch Madara with Kōkinjō, Gold will charge at Madara to catch him. He will further support his capturing skill by having V1 cloak launch a chakra arm[
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If Susanoo's armor (depending what level) is becoming a hassle, Silver will launch elemental attacks at it. He will also enter V2 to launch a TBB. Example: When TBB is being charged, Silver swings his arm to launch an element then makes TBB a follow up. With that said, I will explain what use each element they decide to use:
Fire: Will NOT be used at all in this match. Its useless here.
Lightening: Can attempt to Bolt in damage, to loosen up the defense (making it easier to breach). The raiton should be able to push away Susanoo into a wall too (or push away limbs).
Wind: Can be support to push and blow away Sussanoo's weapons (both close and long range)
Earth: Can bring Madara down like an avalanche, use as a wall block, and take away Madara's line of sight.
Water: Will inflict harm from the sudden force that it exert. Suiton's infliction was shown to strip away ribcage of from its user[
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The combination either ends by strategically stripping away Madara's defense with elements and a follow up by a TBB (OR vise versa) or connecting Kōkinjō, pulling out his soul word and sealing him away, ending the match.
To start off with my argument, Madara has full information about the functioning of Rikudou Sennin's tools. [
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] He read the Uchiha tablets, written by Rikudou Sennin himself. So it's safe to conclude, he would be aware of how they work. Fodders from Kumogakure knew about their mechanics, so as great intellectual person as Madara, he should know the same.
Kōkinjō
This weapon was stated to respond to any person it made contact with. This [scan] even shows the aura was able to wrap around the target. Since Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra, this is as much as touching the character's body. Further evidence, databook stated
consumes the user's vital life force and stamina.
just to show how its continuously operating. But of course that wouldn't matter to a EMS user, but to my point that this chakra manifestation is as close to touching character. So with physical contact, the ropes aura will warp around Susanoo, thus linking to Madara's word soul.
You're mistaking. The aura that was absorbed was the soul. Susanoo is Chakra defence. Kinkaku and Ginkaku has to first get through Susanoo in order to touch Madara's body. In other words, they need fire-power to do so.
You're making it seem as if Madara is just going to stand there doing nothing when being attacked. If Kinkaku attends to attack via Chakra arm, Madara can repel the force with Susanoo's arm: [
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]. If Ginkaku enters V2 and prepares TBB, Madara will see through it. TBB in V2 has shown to take prep-time. While inside Susanoo, Madara disrupts the prep-time using Yasaka Magatama: [
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]. The result will end with Ginkaku attacked with his own Jutsu.
Raiton is not going to anything to Susanoo's defence, nor pushing it back. Susanoo was shown to tank a lightning from the Juubi's:[
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]. Futon is not going to do anything to Susanoo, nor its pushing its weapons any. You're forgetting is constructed from Chakra, therefore the Chakra will just regenerate. Doton isn't doing anything either. If it brings Madara down, Madara forms legs allowing it to jump around. Using a wall to block Madara's eyesight wont do anything either. The latter can detect through Chakra sensing. That scan is from Sage Kabuto. There is no evidence that Kinkaku and Ginkaku will replicate the same. Furthermore, Madara's Susanoo has higher durability and endurance than Sasuke's. Also, if they're going to seal Madara, they need to find out his favourite word which depends on you what Madara's favourite word is.
I will start off with my argument now...
The first thing Madara will do is separate the brothers from working together. Assuming he knows the functioning behind the tools, he will know they cant work together lacking the other tools to complete the job. He creates a Kage Bunshin: [
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You see, there is a weakness to their Kyuubi Chakra's defence. Cutting attacks have shown to pierce their cloak > [
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]. Madara's Susanoo uses swords. In fact, it possess 4 swords. The sword have been implied to have enough cutting attack to pierce through Hachibi's body: [
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]. V1 and V2 possess far weaker components than its full form and that consists of attack, defence and so on. Given the fact that Madara can throw his Susanoo swords depending how many he wishes, and control them remotely, it should pierce through the cloak just fine:
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To also add one, it's shown that the Chakra needs to be replenished before being used: [
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To start off with my argument, Madara has full information about the functioning of Rikudou Sennin's tools. [
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] He read the Uchiha tablets, written by Rikudou Sennin himself. So it's safe to conclude, he would be aware of how they work. Fodders from Kumogakure knew about their mechanics, so as great intellectual person as Madara, he should know the same.
You're mistaking. The aura that was absorbed was the soul. Susanoo is Chakra defence. Kinkaku and Ginkaku has to first get through Susanoo in order to touch Madara's body. In other words, they need fire-power to do so.
Which now my rebuttal goes right back to my premise: "Since Susanoo is formed through the materialization of the user's chakra, this is as much as touching the character's body." The body and spirit is what molding the chakra. Sussanoo is leeching his life. The rope should be able to recognize that.
You're making it seem as if Madara is just going to stand there doing nothing when being attacked. If Kinkaku attends to attack via Chakra arm, Madara can repel the force with Susanoo's arm: [
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]. If Ginkaku enters V2 and prepares TBB, Madara will see through it. TBB in V2 has shown to take prep-time. While inside Susanoo, Madara disrupts the prep-time using Yasaka Magatama: [
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]. The result will end with Ginkaku attacked with his own Jutsu.
I'm pretty sure I didn't otherwise I wouldn't state Gold using Kurama's chakra to further support more firearm, since they need it. Susanoo should be strong enough to smash away its arms, I agree, but he still should be able to get close, and land Rope.
My premise was supported with Bashomon's elements. Meaning he isn't attempting to charge fire the Bomb when he will be releasing and element first. So Yasaka Magatama will be targeting an element.
Raiton is not going to anything to Susanoo's defence, nor pushing it back. Susanoo was shown to tank a lightning from the Juubi's:[
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]. Futon is not going to do anything to Susanoo, nor its pushing its weapons any. You're forgetting is constructed from Chakra, therefore the Chakra will just regenerate. Doton isn't doing anything either. If it brings Madara down, Madara forms legs allowing it to jump around. Using a wall to block Madara's eyesight wont do anything either. The latter can detect through Chakra sensing. That scan is from Sage Kabuto. There is no evidence that Kinkaku and Ginkaku will replicate the same. Furthermore, Madara's Susanoo has higher durability and endurance than Sasuke's. Also, if they're going to seal Madara, they need to find out his favourite word which depends on you what Madara's favourite word is.
The Raiton size is about the width of Susanoo's chest, A lightening strike should be able to push away the level Susanoo in these condition, as much as Mei's water dragon. As for legged version, it should at least be able to knock it down. As for your example for tanking lightening, I feel like you just circled a random piece of Susanoo.
I fail to understand your reasoning and why an air pressure isn't able to push away a projectile produce but hard chakra.
Doton has down its mission if you agree that Madara will need to recover if Doton comes down at it like an avalanche.
Bashomon was given the feats of using this Suiton[
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The first thing Madara will do is separate the brothers from working together. Assuming he knows the functioning behind the tools, he will know they cant work together lacking the other tools to complete the job. He creates a Kage Bunshin: [
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]. Kage Bunshin will handle Ginkaku, and the real Madara handles Kinkaku.
You see, there is a weakness to their Kyuubi Chakra's defence. Cutting attacks have shown to pierce their cloak > [
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] [
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]. Madara's Susanoo uses swords. In fact, it possess 4 swords. The sword have been implied to have enough cutting attack to pierce through Hachibi's body: [
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]. V1 and V2 possess far weaker components than its full form and that consists of attack, defence and so on. Given the fact that Madara can throw his Susanoo swords depending how many he wishes, and control them remotely, it should pierce through the cloak just fine:
The priorities of Sussanoo's cutting ability is much different then Lightening priorities. Sussanoo focuses it cutting ability through its hard dense chakra. Link [4] shows Naruto able to hold on to it, the same cannot be said if its lightening.
The ability to control the direction of its weapon was shown coincidentally when Madara had access to Limbo. So I am going with its feat being Rinnegan.
That feat is only going full BM which the brothers dont have. Edit: I read your scan wrong, this was before BM. I dont see how this scan proves anything either as he was able to use BM right after that scene.
